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Posted: 6/14/2009 10:33:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 12:09:11 PM EST by Old_Painless]
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:35:54 AM EST

Thanks once again OP.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:37:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 10:42:04 AM EST by The_Reaper]
Is the blade on your utility knife in backwards?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:37:06 AM EST
Great article as always OP!

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

If you are loading your shotgun for home defense, you will be hard pressed to use a better load than 00 Buckshot. It is the best commonly available load.



In before the "Birdshot is Better" crowd.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:37:15 AM EST
Thanks Painless, I appreciate the time you take to make these informative posts.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:38:30 AM EST
Thanks for the writeup O_P.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:39:46 AM EST
O_P delivers with nothing but the facts once again! Thanks!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:40:12 AM EST
The 00 buckshot pellets weigh 60 grains, but are doing 1,325 fps. There is no comparison between the two.


How fast is a 55 or 62gr bullet out of an AR pistol?

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:40:41 AM EST
So does this finally put an end to the buckshot/birdshot argument?

How about the shotgun/AR argument?

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:42:02 AM EST
What was the thing about the birdshot again?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:42:33 AM EST
Another sweet writeup!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:43:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Is the blade on your utility knife in backwards?


no but you better check yours.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:43:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By fenderfreek:
O_P delivers with nothing but the facts once again! Thanks!


I love O_P's style.

Everyone is spouting off from the manuals and books. He says, "Well, lemme cut one open and weigh those suckers."

Empirical data FTW!

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:44:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Is the blade on your utility knife in backwards?

No, the sharp part is facing away from us.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:44:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Thanks Painless, I appreciate the time you take to make these informative posts.



He should have his own sub-forum.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:45:47 AM EST
BTW for inquiring minds that want to know:

535.5 grains = 1.22400 ounces

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:45:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By LOW2000:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Is the blade on your utility knife in backwards?

No, the sharp part is facing away from us.


So it is. The reflection made me think the edge was facing us.

I'll shut up now.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:47:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:51:23 AM EST
Good common sense. I knew this a long time ago....
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:52:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By fenderfreek:
O_P delivers with nothing but the facts once again! Thanks!


I love O_P's style.

Everyone is spouting off from the manuals and books. He says, "Well, lemme cut one open and weigh those suckers."

Empirical data FTW!



+1

If I didn't already know he was once a lawman, I would have assumed he was an engineer from back in the day before computers and scientific calculators.

I keep expecting for him to whip out a slide rule.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:52:45 AM EST
A guy in my unit was shot with birdshot in the left shoulder while working at a gas station when he was a teenager. It left some wicked scars but did no real damage.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:53:20 AM EST
Great information, as always. Thanks!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:53:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
2. Buckshot penetrates too much and will go through walls in my home.

Sure it will. Any load that will STOP a bad guy, will also penetrate several interior walls, as I proved here: Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls

Until someone invents a phaser, like on Star Trek, any load that will STOP a bad guy will also penetrate several walls.


My favorite anology to illustrate how ridiculous the "wall penetration" objection is:

It's not terribly hard to put your fist through sheetrock. I have yet to see anybody be able to punch *into* the chest cavity of a human being.

If even a punch is enough to penetrate drywall, then why do people expect bullets - which have to actually penetrate into bodily cavities to acheive the desired effect - to just bounce off of a sheetrock wall?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:54:51 AM EST
nice post
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:59:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By fenderfreek:
O_P delivers with nothing but the facts once again! Thanks!


I love O_P's style.

Everyone is spouting off from the manuals and books. He says, "Well, lemme cut one open and weigh those suckers."

Empirical data FTW!



I actually laughed out loud when I saw the guys quoting manuals and lists.

I thought, Why don't we just cut one open?



That's so simple it just might work!!!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:01:02 AM EST
Nice work!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:04:40 AM EST
Nice writeup. Thanks.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:05:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:07:04 AM EST
O_P delivers, yet again.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:07:12 AM EST
good write up as usual, and in before the birdshot window lickers
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:13:47 AM EST
Posted by OP

There were 24 - #4 pellets in the load, and each weighed approximately 19.5 grains, for a total weight of 468 grains.

I count 27.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:17:47 AM EST
very good write up

Thank you
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:19:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By fenderfreek:
O_P delivers with nothing but the facts once again! Thanks!


I love O_P's style.

Everyone is spouting off from the manuals and books. He says, "Well, lemme cut one open and weigh those suckers."

Empirical data FTW!



I actually laughed out loud when I saw the guys quoting manuals and lists.

I thought, Why don't we just cut one open?




Reminds me of a neighbor of mine. He was laying pipe for a sprinkler system. He would measure the trench, go back and measure the pipe, then cut the pipe. I got sick of watching this stupidity. Walked over to his yard, picked up a full length pipe, threw it in the trench, cut it, he looked at me like then like .

Great write up. I use a Mossberg 590 A1 for home defense with 00. I appreciate the facts and common sense from your post.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:21:55 AM EST
Birdshot FTMFW....

.....inged creatures
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:23:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:29:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 11:31:28 AM EST by azdesertman]
So you're telling me that birdshot wouldn't kill a bad guy? Would you want to be shot by it? Yeah, I didn't think so!!!


Just kidding! I figured I would get that nonsense out of the way, because we all know it's coming. Great article OP! I appreciate all the contributions you make on this website. I too have a natural curiosity about things. I'll often measure the weight or dimensions of a piece of gear just so I know. I may or may not know the exact weight of my EDC gear. That includes gun, holster, mag, ammo, belt... It's may or may not be organized on a spreadsheet.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:30:11 AM EST
All Hail Old Painless!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:35:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:36:01 AM EST
Is there really a "birdshot vs buckshot" argument?

Finger or icepick, which is better for picking your nose?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:38:25 AM EST
Being a poor bastard, I don't have an expensive shotgun for apartment defense, just an old break-open NEF 20-gauge. How screwed am I using sabot slugs compared to buckshot?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:39:41 AM EST
I knew as soon as I read the title that this would be an O_P writeup
Great job as always!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:43:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 11:46:21 AM EST by Old_Painless]
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:47:41 AM EST
Never even heard of #1 buckshot. Learned something new today.

Anyone have this in their ammo box?




ANOTHER great post by one of the most respected members of this site.


Thank you O_P.





Gene
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:49:59 AM EST
Great information, Thanks!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:52:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:55:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:57:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:59:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Is the blade on your utility knife in backwards?


it is just laying with the blade portion facing up skippy. Funny though.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:00:53 PM EST
Thanks for taking the time to do the research and post it. very informative and cool.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:01:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

I really need a shotgun.


Holy smoke! Don't tell me that you don't own a shotgun.

Sell those wooden shoes and buy you one, for goodness sakes.






Luke 22:36

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment WOODEN SHOES, and buy one.

http://bible.cc/luke/22-36.htm



Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:03:03 PM EST
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