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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:06:34 AM EDT
Is it legal to install all the lower parts in a stripped lower for another? Is it OK to charge to do this as a non-FFL? What if they "gift" you for your time? I have build a few ARs, and now I am having people ask me to build up lowers for them. Just trying to avoid PMITA Federal Prison.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:18:43 AM EDT
[#1]
I don't see why it wouldn't be ok.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:32:28 AM EDT
[#2]
I've done it countless times.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:44:21 AM EDT
[#3]
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:44:54 AM EDT
[#4]
Absolutely legal if the lower is already theirs.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 2:57:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:06:08 AM EDT
[#6]
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:38:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Aimless,

Thanks for moving this. So no-go huh? Just to be clear, the ATF defined "firearm" is already registered to them.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 3:52:33 AM EDT
[#8]
It actually appears to be a little "gray"... Even after reading the above post (great info by the way. Thanks for that!). I think on a small scale it's probably not going to raise any flags for BATFE. However, I think they leave some things a little "gray" so they have the freedom to interpret the law whichever way suits them at the time. So I would keep this activity to a minimum if it were me.
Also... And more importantly... Do you want the liability of having built a lower for some jack-ass that goes and blows himself up and then blames you for it because you "built" his rifle? I would think not.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 5:13:09 AM EDT
[#9]
I used to record from my albums to my cassettes. I even tear the tags off my pillows.

Helping a friend assemble a lower is not the intent of these laws in as much as it is geared toward the manufacturing and selling of firearms.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 5:29:15 AM EDT
[#10]
If your friend stays with you and you do not keep possession over night without him there you are fine. If he leaves it with you for a day as you assemble it then returns for it, you will need a license. If you are charging for it, you will need a license. Are both rules stupid as shit?  Absolutely, but it is what it is.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 5:39:09 AM EDT
[#11]
If he already bought the lower, then he already bought the firearm. If that was the case then you couldn't refinish a friends gun or put a scope on one.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 9:10:53 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Is it legal to install all the lower parts in a stripped lower for another? Is it OK to charge to do this as a non-FFL? What if they "gift" you for your time? I have build a few ARs, and now I am having people ask me to build up lowers for them. Just trying to avoid PMITA Federal Prison.


<––––FFL

Engaging in the business of  "gunsmithing" requires at least an 01FFL (dealer). Federal law and ATF regs are VERY clear on this.
If you install a parts kit on someone elses lower it is considered gunsmithing.
If you buy lowers and build them into complete lowers for sale you are manufacturing.

Quoted:
If he already bought the lower, then he already bought the firearm. If that was the case then you couldn't refinish a friends gun or put a scope on one.

Doing a friend a favor is far different from doing those same activities as a business. If you accept compensation for your refinishing, scope mounting gunsmithing, etc............you are engaging in the business.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 1:39:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks for the replies guys. I have sent a letter to the ATF for clarification, but for now, I am going to completely hold off.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 6:27:34 PM EDT
[#14]

27 CFR 478.11 - Meaning of terms.







(a) Manufacturer of firearms. A person who devotes time, attention, and
labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business
with the principal objective of livelihood and profit
through the sale
or distribution of the firearms manufactured;
(d) Gunsmith. A person who devotes time, attention, and labor to
engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or business with
the principal objective of livelihood and profit
, but such a term shall
not include a person who makes occasional repairs of firearms or who
occasionally fits special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to
firearms;










 
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 3:15:42 AM EDT
[#15]
I jusst saw where you wanted money for it, and retract my statement. I originally looked at this from my phone.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 12:03:36 PM EDT
[#16]
I have them come to my shop with their parts.
They work on their guns with my tools. They take their stuff with them when they leave.
I sometimes offer helpful suggestions as they work.
No money changes hands.
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