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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:37:19 AM EDT
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The lawyers who sued New York City to force reforms in stop and frisk practices have asked the federal judge overseeing that case to halt the NYPD’s planned rollout of body-worn cameras until changes are made in the way they are used.
In a letter filed late Wednesday with Manhattan U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres, the lawyers said the current plan should be amended to prohibit privacy violations by barring police from running recordings through facial recognition software or databases for investigations. They also told the judge the NYPD plan gives officers too much freedom in deciding what encounters they have to record and at what point they tell civilians they are being recorded, and improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports. The lawyers complained that the program was intended to provide deterrence and protection against violations of citizens rights by cops, and is being expanded as a tool to provide evidence for criminal prosecutions. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:39:12 AM EDT
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How inconvenient.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:44:38 AM EDT
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Unintended consequences. Didn't think that one out too well, did you?
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:47:05 AM EDT
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Be careful what you ask for you may get it.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:52:58 AM EDT
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Hey I thought that gif was retired after the guy died?
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:12:11 AM EDT
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports."
In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:17:22 AM EDT
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports." In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. 1 - Get stopped. Act like a dick to the LEO who is professional the entire time. Get a ticket. 2 - Call and make a complaint. Accuse the LEO of calling you the N word, beating you, and threatening to lynch you. 3 - Let's go to the videotape. Umm, maybe we shouldn't have suspended him right away...... 4 - The agency expects the officer to tolerate this and avoids prosecuting the complainant. 5 - LEO retains his own attorney who then induces the agency to enforce the law. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:18:14 AM EDT
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The video footage, coalesced and databased, will allow studies on behavior patterns of certain groups based on ethnicity, geo location, etc... This data is extremely volatile as it will diminish the narrative of police brutality and expose, in a somewhat irrefutable manner, that savages walk amongst us. Bigs leaps are being made in video analysis. That's what the ACLU is afraid of...that the cams aren't going to end up being a club to beat cops with but rather are going to illustrate what cops actually deal with.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:20:54 AM EDT
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Someone PLEASE make it stop!!
 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:22:22 AM EDT
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports." In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:24:54 AM EDT
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The same thing that happened with the dash cams. 1 - Get stopped. Act like a dick to the LEO who is professional the entire time. Get a ticket. 2 - Call and make a complaint. Accuse the LEO of calling you the N word, beating you, and threatening to lynch you. 3 - Let's go to the videotape. Umm, maybe we shouldn't have suspended him right away...... 4 - The agency expects the officer to tolerate this and avoids prosecuting the complainant. 5 - LEO retains his own attorney who then induces the agency to enforce the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports." In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. 1 - Get stopped. Act like a dick to the LEO who is professional the entire time. Get a ticket. 2 - Call and make a complaint. Accuse the LEO of calling you the N word, beating you, and threatening to lynch you. 3 - Let's go to the videotape. Umm, maybe we shouldn't have suspended him right away...... 4 - The agency expects the officer to tolerate this and avoids prosecuting the complainant. 5 - LEO retains his own attorney who then induces the agency to enforce the law. Now the ACLU managed a way around it, telling people to file anonymous complaints to avoid being charged when it comes to light its a bunch of bullcrap. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:26:06 AM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:28:28 AM EDT
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Lol 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:29:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:33:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:35:32 AM EDT
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Unintended consequences. Didn't think that one out too well, did you? |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:40:14 AM EDT
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And the band played on...
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:46:41 AM EDT
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I truly despise Lawyers.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:48:22 AM EDT
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And the band played on... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:57:31 AM EDT
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Hey I thought that gif was retired after the guy died? Officer Michael Hance seemed like a fun guy. He is remembered as such. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:10:28 AM EDT
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Shocked
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:15:27 AM EDT
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You asked for it, you got it. Toyota.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:18:29 AM EDT
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Sounds like they know that their claims of police misbehavior weren't as valid as they made them out to be and body cams would expose a lot of the bullshit that leads to these encounters going sideways.....and that would likely paint their "supporters" in a fairly negative light.
Don't get me wrong, there are some cops out there that make the whole profession less respectable........but cops know who those bad apples are. Time to root them out so that people can start regaining trust in their LE. Certain segments will never trust LE, because they don't like the law being enforced on them.......but most people just don't want to get a asshole cop. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:23:29 AM EDT
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That's what is happening down in Austin right now. City Council actually WATCHED some videos from the pilot camera program. Now they are no so excited.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:29:20 AM EDT
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That's what is happening down in Austin right now. City Council actually WATCHED some videos from the pilot camera program. Now they are no so excited. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:29:52 AM EDT
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Sounds like they know that their claims of police misbehavior weren't as valid as they made them out to be and body cams would expose a lot of the bullshit that leads to these encounters going sideways.....and that would likely paint their "supporters" in a fairly negative light. Don't get me wrong, there are some cops out there that make the whole profession less respectable........but cops know who those bad apples are. Time to root them out so that people can start regaining trust in their LE. Certain segments will never trust LE, because they don't like the law being enforced on them.......but most people just don't want to get a asshole cop. Anytime cameras have been used, they have been to the benefit of the truth. And the truth is that there are cultures and communities in this country that not only act wholesale like complete savages, but feel completely entitled to do so. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:33:07 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:35:02 AM EDT
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports." In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:40:16 AM EDT
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Well, Wild Kingdom is off the air.
For my feral animal entertainment maybe someone will access the footage for a new reality show. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:49:22 AM EDT
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I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:08:41 AM EDT
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I don't understand, lawyers are like croupiers at the dice tables, they got long sticks to rake in the money no matter how the dice rolls, because justice is just a roll of the dice, sometime loaded dice
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:24:19 AM EDT
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I am inclined to say that if the officer has access to the video when filing a report (more accurate reporting), WE should also have immediate access to any of the videos. It might actually stop some riots if they would IMMEDIATELY release video of a reported "incident" before people start rioting (pipe dream I know, but...) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. Body cams have access to too much personal information to allow them to be easy for the general public to access and editing video to blur private information would be too onerous. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:28:00 AM EDT
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Back in the 90s, after the New Jersey State Police got dash cams, they would actively charged and broadcast whenever someone filed a false complaint about one of their Troopers. Now the ACLU managed a way around it, telling people to file anonymous complaints to avoid being charged when it comes to light its a bunch of bullcrap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports." In other words, they don't want the officers report to reflect the details caught in the footage. Yeah.. go fuck yourself. ACLU wanted the same bull crap. 1 - Get stopped. Act like a dick to the LEO who is professional the entire time. Get a ticket. 2 - Call and make a complaint. Accuse the LEO of calling you the N word, beating you, and threatening to lynch you. 3 - Let's go to the videotape. Umm, maybe we shouldn't have suspended him right away...... 4 - The agency expects the officer to tolerate this and avoids prosecuting the complainant. 5 - LEO retains his own attorney who then induces the agency to enforce the law. Now the ACLU managed a way around it, telling people to file anonymous complaints to avoid being charged when it comes to light its a bunch of bullcrap. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:30:53 AM EDT
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The weekend is coming up...I predict a NYC taxpayer funded $40 Padron and a few glasses of Scotch on my porch...
Can I get a FUCK YOU PAY ME up in this bitch? 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:37:15 AM EDT
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IMHO, the only people that should have easy access to body cam footage is the officers on the call, their supervisors, and the parties involved in the call*. Anyone else should have to show a judge a compelling public need for the video. Body cams have access to too much personal information to allow them to be easy for the general public to access and editing video to blur private information would be too onerous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. Body cams have access to too much personal information to allow them to be easy for the general public to access and editing video to blur private information would be too onerous. I agree with you. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:39:08 AM EDT
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IMHO, the only people that should have easy access to body cam footage is the officers on the call, their supervisors, and the parties involved in the call*. Anyone else should have to show a judge a compelling public need for the video. Body cams have access to too much personal information to allow them to be easy for the general public to access and editing video to blur private information would be too onerous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. Body cams have access to too much personal information to allow them to be easy for the general public to access and editing video to blur private information would be too onerous. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:39:46 AM EDT
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ACLU is afraid of...that the cams aren't going to end up being a club to beat cops with but rather are going to illustrate what cops actually deal with. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:42:35 AM EDT
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Many people are simply too ugly to have facial recognition work.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:42:37 AM EDT
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Even more waving. That's the ticket.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:49:53 AM EDT
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They bring up some decent points with the facial recognition thing but then go out into left field with wanting to prohibit the officer from viewing it. I have concerns about how the video is protected, but the officer reviewing for his report and the supervisor...supervising his officers are two good reasons to access the film. I don't see a reason that officers shouldn't be able to review footage while writing reports. If footage of a call involving female nudity is viewed 100 times by random officers obviously there's a concern. I don't watch any of my footage because I barely have time to write the reports as it is. I'm not going to sit there and watch video in real time as I'm writing a report. There simply isn't enough time in the day for that |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:52:31 AM EDT
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They want it both ways.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:02:10 AM EDT
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I truly despise Lawyers. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:03:44 AM EDT
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The weekend is coming up...I predict a NYC taxpayer funded $40 Padron and a few glasses of Scotch on my porch... Can I get a FUCK YOU PAY ME up in this bitch? 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:15:15 AM EDT
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They want it both ways.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:22:35 AM EDT
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Holy shit Smiling. I agree with you.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:24:53 AM EDT
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Fuck you pay me!!! I'm moving into my new NYC taxpayer funded house this weekend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weekend is coming up...I predict a NYC taxpayer funded $40 Padron and a few glasses of Scotch on my porch... Can I get a FUCK YOU PAY ME up in this bitch? Live as long as possible and make these motherfuckers pay as long as possible As for me, I'm in my 40s and plan on making them pay for a very long time. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 12:26:14 PM EDT
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Link (full article may not be available) The lawyers who sued New York City to force reforms in stop and frisk practices have asked the federal judge overseeing that case to halt the NYPD’s planned rollout of body-worn cameras until changes are made in the way they are used.
In a letter filed late Wednesday with Manhattan U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres, the lawyers said the current plan should be amended to prohibit privacy violations by barring police from running recordings through facial recognition software or databases for investigations. They also told the judge the NYPD plan gives officers too much freedom in deciding what encounters they have to record and at what point they tell civilians they are being recorded, and improperly allows officers access to the recordings when preparing their reports. The lawyers complained that the program was intended to provide deterrence and protection against violations of citizens rights by cops, and is being expanded as a tool to provide evidence for criminal prosecutions. Nope. It cuts both ways. if the citizens can use the recordings against the police for rights violations, either supposed or otherwise, then the police can use them, too. I don't see it as anything different than looking through a mugshot book, only faster. Too easy. Leave the cameras on during the entire shift and make a public announcement about it. This one I don't get. It would mean more accurate reports. What is wrong with that? |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 12:36:39 PM EDT
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Holy shit Smiling. I agree with you. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 12:53:26 PM EDT
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I don't see a reason that officers shouldn't be able to review footage while writing reports. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:03:25 PM EDT
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I'm a little concerned where Ofc. Smith arrests Joe Blow for probable cause of Crime A, reviews the tape and sees his probable cause is piss-poor/wrong/misinterpreted/mistaken but finds something else in the video to justify the original arrest or bakes up a new charge... This power can be abused... Obviously, there would have to be some form of oversight, maybe an independent review of the videos in arrest cases. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:04:34 PM EDT
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I'm a little concerned where Ofc. Smith arrests Joe Blow for probable cause of Crime A, reviews the tape and sees his probable cause is piss-poor/wrong/misinterpreted/mistaken but finds something else in the video to justify the original arrest or bakes up a new charge... This power can be abused... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see a reason that officers shouldn't be able to review footage while writing reports. My reports would say "See footage for details on this case." |
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