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Posted: 3/10/2015 8:49:06 AM EDT

Our lawsuit says that the N.S.A.’s mass surveillance of Internet traffic on American soil — often called "upstream” surveillance — violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects the right to privacy, as well as the First Amendment, which protects the freedoms of expression and association. We also argue that this agency activity exceeds the authority granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that Congress amended in 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/opinion/stop-spying-on-wikipedia-users.html?_r=1
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The ACLU and Wikipedia must not realize that the government only spies on us for our own safety.

I just hope that the NSA isn't harmed by this lawsuit. They are doing gods work keeping us safe from ISIS.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 8:57:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By watchwatch:

The ACLU and Wikipedia must not realize that the government only spies on us for our own safety.

I just hope that the NSA isn't harmed by this lawsuit. They are doing gods work keeping us safe from ISIS right wingers and veterans, the true terrorists.
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Link Posted: 3/10/2015 8:58:00 AM EDT
In.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 8:59:48 AM EDT
We should all be forced to give all of our usernames and passwords to the government.













For the sake of our children.
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You must be one of those crazed libertarians who cares more about a Roman numeral on a 230 year old piece paper than the safety of children.
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You must be one of those crazed libertarians who cares more about a Roman numeral on a 230 year old piece paper than the safety of children.
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You must be one of those crazed libertarians who cares more about a Roman numeral on a 230 year old piece paper than the safety of children.

But you think it is ok to take money from a bank that isn't yours..........right?

I don't think that was ever in the 230 year old piece of paper.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 9:23:43 AM EDT
The ACLU is worried about assaults on freedom of expression and freedom of association? This has to be a joke.


NSA should counter file a discrimination law suit. Problem solved.


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It's interesting how the Gov set this up. Yes, there ought to be privacy associated with your Internet traffic. However they have now forced it to the point where Internet privacy is no longer expected by the population at large and it is in the collective consciousness that what is said on the internet is not ultimately private. A this will lead back to an argument that the public does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they put ideas etc, into the ether.
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Originally Posted By RDak:

But you think it is ok to take money from a bank that isn't yours..........right?

I don't think that was ever in the 230 year old piece of paper.
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By watchwatch:

You must be one of those crazed libertarians who cares more about a Roman numeral on a 230 year old piece paper than the safety of children.

But you think it is ok to take money from a bank that isn't yours..........right?

I don't think that was ever in the 230 year old piece of paper.

Where did I say its ok to take money that isn't yours from a bank in that thread?

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Link Posted: 3/10/2015 9:39:28 AM EDT
Good lawsuit.

God bless Edward Snowden.
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I wonder how many in the security services would characterize this as lawfare to degrade critical assets, targeted against the national interest.

The ACLU brand probably has enough historic legitimacy to dissuade most, and there are always dissenters, but the more nationalist kind probably realize that it's the outcome that matters, not the actor.

Naturally kinetic strikes are right out in the homeland - being nationalists, they're incapable of unbounded pragmatism. But intel fusion and interagency cooperation have made long strides, compared to the pre-9/11 era.
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Originally Posted By watchwatch:

Where did I say its ok to take money that isn't yours from a bank in that thread?



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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By watchwatch:

You must be one of those crazed libertarians who cares more about a Roman numeral on a 230 year old piece paper than the safety of children.

But you think it is ok to take money from a bank that isn't yours..........right?

I don't think that was ever in the 230 year old piece of paper.

Where did I say its ok to take money that isn't yours from a bank in that thread?




Oops...........my bad.........sorry.

I assumed your hatred of banks meant it was ok.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 10:15:10 AM EDT
My prediction is that the suit will be dismissed because the ACLU can't provide the court with the NSA's secret documents that they'll deny exist and refuse to hand over.
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My prediction is that the suit will be dismissed because the ACLU can't provide the court with the NSA's secret documents that they'll deny exist and refuse to hand over.
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FedDC assured Ar15.com that there is a huge amount of oversight at the NSA. There is no way that kind of criminal coverup could happen. He would know.

You paranoid gun clingers need to get a grip on reality. The NSA is here to keep us safe from brown non-christian men.
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Best of luck to them

Fox


Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:20:48 PM EDT
Threads about overturning machine gun bans or threads about ammo bans get hundreds of pages.

MAH GUNZ!! MURICA!

A thread about stopping the every day assault on your 4th amendment barely gets 2 pages.

Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:27:53 PM EDT
In Bore The Presidential Order That Tells Them Where To Go.

Also raid on both office sites.

Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:28:57 PM EDT
Skynet has already been activated.
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