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I've said it before... that aircraft gives me WOOD!
If they can pull this off it will rank right up there with the YF-17 being dumped and reborn as the F/A-18. |
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I think Northrop is the only contractor that can lose a competition and still be contracted to build airplanes.
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Stretch it out a bit and add a second seat. Thats simply a WICKED looking AC. LOVE IT.
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I always rated this plane over the F22… It LOOKS almost 'alien'…
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That bird is shit hot! However as awesome as she is I'd still like to see the USAF go with an upgraded and F-22 engined B-1(no replacement for displacement).
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Here's its namesake, and the subject of my first plastic model build. And I get a chubby over THIS one, too. Northrop P-61 Black Widow (sorry, no IMG links to this site) |
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Nightfighter. One of the best of its time. |
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Hot Damn!! I was rooting for that bird during the ATF competition w/ the F-22. Love the look of the thing; its smooth lines abd beautiful curves when compared to the 22.
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The only reason that the YF-23 lost to the F-22 is that the Air Force is run by fighter pilots who are in love with manuverability, which the 22 had in aces. The 23 won in every important aspect but manuverability and thus it lost....stupid fighter jocks....
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Sorry, bud. It's one of my favorite aircraft. The 20mm's in the belly and 4 .50's in the turret on top of the fuselage make it a formidable opponent. Not to mention it was one of the first uses of airborne radar by the US. My uncle was a crew chief on one in Australia towards the end of WWII. He said they had their problems, especially if an engine went south, but he loved 'em. |
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The YF-23 is also much less vulnerable to heat-seeking missiles... I mean, look at the heat dispersion it has. It puts to shame the F/A-22's huge exhaust.
Much safer. |
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That's one big MFing jet...for a fighter. Look how big that sucker is. Shiiiiite.
I'm telling ya, Americans can make some really, really badass shit. I absolutely loooove threads like this. |
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I hope the aircraft succeeds in this role. It is too good a plane to not be in service in some capacity or other.
Isn't the 23 more stealthy than the 22? It would seem they would be the perfect pair to match up. Let the F-22 handle keeping the sky clear of enemy bandits and let the F-23 sneak in and knock the hell out of something. Kind of like how the F-15 and F-16 have been paired up over the past 20 some years. Or even more like the F-15C and F-15E have been recently. And while the F-23 may not share the maneuverability of the F-22, it should more than be able to defend itself in the air if need be. I've long felt that retiring the whole F-111 fleet (as well as the US Navy A-6) left us too short on aircraft with deep penetration-precision strike ability. The F-23 could be perfect for the role. I so hope this happens. If they want an updated B-1, then go for it. But we need a new strike fighter to go with it. We only have something like 132 F-15E's and no F-111's or A-6's anymore. That means we have several hundred fewer aircraft to use in that role than we did just a few years ago. |
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You know, turning that thing into a bomber seems like the perfect thing to do.
BTW, are the '22 and '23 more stealthy than the '117? I'm guessing they are quite a bit more so, given that they are 10 to 15 years newer. If this is so, then the '117 could be replaced by the '23 quite easily. It would probably do a better job, too. Not that the '117 had deficiences (we've only lost one '117 to enemy fire since it became operational, IIRC). |
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never really liked the look of the yf23
I want them to make a YF19 www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/yf19.shtml www.ehobbyland.com/Macross/MAC-Hase-YF-19.jpg |
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ArfcommersSharky30 |
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It always thought it was the better looking of the two... Looks almost like a future space fighter or something. I know dick about performance differences though.
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Go get a copy of "Macross Plus" and come back and say that again. There isn't anyone here that loves aircraft that won't and over the flying sequences. |
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No matter what they do I personally hope they do not fase out the A-10. Too many people are getting so impressed with this wiz-bang stuff that they are losing sight of the simple fact that it is a slow low flying heavily armored craft that is best for CAS missions.
The A-10 can stay on target longer, take more damage, and deliver more brutal on target ordnance than any other currently active aircraft in the US arsenal. |
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A10s kick ass
and I'm wearning my super duper kevlar covered steel/ceramic composite cup, so that kick had no effect |
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Sweet. I love new aircraft. The AF needs a new medium bomber with high on station time. We need something that hold 15 jdams, and can orbit for hours. I know the heavy bombers can do it, but they are expensive to run. The F15 and F16 cant hold enough. I just with I could fly anything in the military. Stupid eyes......
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It seems like the gov. had a hard time choosing between the F-22/F-23 so in AR-15.com tradition....
GET BOTH!!!!!! |
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Sturnwehr...
Strangely, I agree with every word you said! |
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I'm not sure how many bombs this jet could carry. I'm sure less than the F-111 or F-15E, as stealthy planes are forced to give up much of their payload to remain stealthy. But I bet that with more stealthy munitions themselves, you can sling quite a few under the wings as well as in the internal bay. In fact, we already have some bomb or missile with a stealthy appearance. Is it the JSOW? The weapon has the same angles as the stealth planes. That would have to help them when carrying external stores and allow them tp up their capability considerably.
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That plane looks damn sexy when viewed from the front. The rear portion isn't pretty, but demonstrates how well thought out the design is. Just imagine how those engines set back into the fuselage will reduce heat signature for heat seeking missiles. This is a very well designed aircraft with tons of potential. I wouldn't want to give it up for the F-22 nor the F-22 for it. We simply need both!
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By multiples, from the information I've seen - although that isn't official. By damned, both are more stable than a Nighthawk. |
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The F/A-22 and YF-23 can't even compete with the A-10 for its designated role. Their loiter time is way too short and their payload and survivability isn't enough. |
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That thing is cool.
A year or two ago Popular Mechanics had a cover story on the theoretical "FB-22".The thing was wicked...tailess delta winged bomber version of the F-22 that in theory had very impressive range and payload. If I wasn't web-tarded I'd post picks or a link to it. |
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I love anime', but I don't care for Macross. Also, as you can see, I happen to LOVE aircraft. Kelly Johnson and Burt Rutan are my aircraft design GODS! |
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The F-22 is SOOoooo much prettier than that fugly thing! Stealth is cool but speed+agility = life!
F-22 =sexy bitch. S.O. |
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They are so far ahead of the F-117 that the USAF didn't get upset when an F-117 was downed over Sebia… it was not last years model, more like last 3 DECADES model! Andy |
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All these photoshops and mockups are just rehashing the Aurora, which I'd bet a month's pay is already around. |
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...Of course something like the Aurora is around. |
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