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Posted: 8/31/2004 11:04:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:06:53 AM EST
Cool. A few days ago Kerry was ahead by 11.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:07:18 AM EST
Tennessee blue? I hope not!

GunLvr
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:11:21 AM EST
Sure would be nice if CA would turn red!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:12:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:15:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:19:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:34:09 AM EST
Here is an alternate site if you don't care fior the posted site's spin on things:

http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:35:26 AM EST
NEVADA in BLUE?

HA! Yeah, right!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:42:52 AM EST
how is vermont strong kerry, with the best gun laws in the land?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:44:20 AM EST
Thanks for both links above, guys!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:45:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
NEVADA in BLUE?

HA! Yeah, right!




The more Kalifornians that take over my state, the worse it gets. Clark County where Vegas is in has the highest population of any county in the state and it is also the only county in the state that Gore won in 2000.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:47:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:47:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
how is vermont strong kerry, with the best gun laws in the land?



The land of Dean? Need you ask?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:48:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2whiskeyP:
Sure would be nice if CA would break off along the S.A. fault and sink into the ocean!




There... fixed it for ya'!


(...only after the few remaining good Californians, including those who post here, had ample time to evacuate - leaving the real Lefties behind, of course )
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:49:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:50:00 AM EST
Hmm, I guess nobody saw my post.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=269473
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:51:36 AM EST
Nevada has been close the last few elections. All the new growth in Las Vegas has pulled in a bunch of Californians.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:53:08 AM EST
That's totally cool, but all it seems to take is one little stunt or news story to change all that. What give me most of my doubts is, I see more coverage of the protesters that the RNC. As soon as the left sees those numbers, the antics are gonna start all over again.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:53:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:57:40 AM EST

Tennessee blue? I hope not!


Not likely but possible.

Tennessee has a Republican governor last term along with the Democrats in the State legislature who decided that they was going to have a state income tax no matter what the population though about it. He became incredibly unpopular and despite the Republican is the State legislature working to and eventually killing the income tax it hurt the Republican Party

As a result we now have a Democratic governor who is actually working with the Republicans in the legislature to straighten out some major problems. He has become pretty popular as a result and might help Kerry.

It also does not help that the Eastern part of the State which has been mostly Republican from 1861 has been badly hurt with job loses which keep on coming and coming.

I doubt Kerry can carry TN but it is possible.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:58:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Diss_ipator:
Hmm, I guess nobody saw my post.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=269473



Actually I did miss it the first time.
I took a quick look at the Rasmussen Report site, very good information there.
Thanks for reposting it!!!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:58:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
NEVADA in BLUE?

HA! Yeah, right!




The more Kalifornians that take over my state, the worse it gets. Clark County where Vegas is in has the highest population of any county in the state and it is also the only county in the state that Gore won in 2000.



Yowza!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:04:03 PM EST
I can't believe Bush and Kerry are neck and neck in Michigan!

I need some W stickers!!!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:07:32 PM EST
Going by bumper stickers, window stickers and yard signs, I say Tennessee will be in the Bush camp again. I am talking rural areas like where I live and urban areas like where I work and do everything else.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:16:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Bue outline means barely... think 1% in the polls. I tend to agree with you. TN didn't go for Gore, they aren't going for Kerry!



I know Im not, didnt go for Gore either and I ve lived here all my life, now if I could only get my parents turned, but here in Tennessee it is interesting, Ive never voted straight party lines, Ive always voted conservative or the limp wrist, conservative always wins with me and for the most part in my district its like that, somes dems are conser. and the rep. are not, and the other way around, you really need to make an educated selection and study the candidates in Tennessee to make the right decision,especially on gun control, Just my thoughts, anyone else from here think the same way?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:22:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Southernfried:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Bue outline means barely... think 1% in the polls. I tend to agree with you. TN didn't go for Gore, they aren't going for Kerry!



I know Im not, didnt go for Gore either and I ve lived here all my life, now if I could only get my parents turned, but here in Tennessee it is interesting, Ive never voted straight party lines, Ive always voted conservative or the limp wrist, conservative always wins with me and for the most part in my district its like that, somes dems are conser. and the rep. are not, and the other way around, you really need to make an educated selection and study the candidates in Tennessee to make the right decision,especially on gun control, Just my thoughts, anyone else from here think the same way?



A lot of Democrats are very conservative in Tennessee the problem is many of those very conservative Democrats in West TN vote straight party line in national elections.

East TN is pretty solid Republican and had tended that way for 140 years.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:25:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 12:29:29 PM EST by SO-COM]

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
NEVADA in BLUE?

HA! Yeah, right!




The more Kalifornians that take over my state, the worse it gets. Clark County where Vegas is in has the highest population of any county in the state and it is also the only county in the state that Gore won in 2000.



They are bringing their liberal ideas to a state that has been run sucessfully for the last decade, unlike Kalifornia.. I'm sure alot of you hav this problem, that gun discussions come up even when you don't initiate them. Well, I'm amazed just how many people seem to think our AR's are for pyschos and CCW holders turns this into the wild wild west. I'm not surprised how many of them moved here from places like LA, where they are many times more likely to get shot.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:30:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By Southernfried:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Bue outline means barely... think 1% in the polls. I tend to agree with you. TN didn't go for Gore, they aren't going for Kerry!



I know Im not, didnt go for Gore either and I ve lived here all my life, now if I could only get my parents turned, but here in Tennessee it is interesting, Ive never voted straight party lines, Ive always voted conservative or the limp wrist, conservative always wins with me and for the most part in my district its like that, somes dems are conser. and the rep. are not, and the other way around, you really need to make an educated selection and study the candidates in Tennessee to make the right decision,especially on gun control, Just my thoughts, anyone else from here think the same way?



A lot of Democrats are very conservative in Tennessee the problem is many of those very conservative Democrats in West TN vote straight party line in national elections.

East TN is pretty solid Republican and had tended that way for 140 years.



I think your right Mike, I know my parents are as conservative as they come and they still think they are all that way(dems), and they are not, still cant believe they thought slick willy was conservative.
But I cant convince them other wise.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:32:10 PM EST
I can assure you that Tennessee is NOT Kerry Country!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:37:11 PM EST

I think your right Mike, I know my parents are as conservative as they come and they still think they are all that way(dems), and they are not, still cant believe they thought slick willy was conservative.
But I cant convince them other wise.



Had that fight with my mom for years. Her views make Bush look like a screaming liberal but come election time she votes Democratic Party line, she cannot help herself.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:38:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By peekay:
how is vermont strong kerry, with the best gun laws in the land?



Vermont is the biggest idiosyncrocy out there... pro-gun, but Pat Lehay is one of the senators and Howard Dean was their governor. You can have class 3 and carry concealed without a permit no matter which state you are from... and you can even carry to Sunday's gay wedding... Don't try to understand... don't try to understand...



Didn't a Socialist (Bernie Sanders) get elected to the house from Vermont? He was part of the Dem Caucus (Surprise!)
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:39:53 PM EST
My neighbor is a union sheep that believes everything that the union spoon feeds him about Kerry. My Bush/Cheney yard signs will dwarf his. If I could just find where to get some of them.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:40:01 PM EST
NV is getting a generous dose of what turned NM blue. AZ will eventually go that way too.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:40:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:41:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By brasspile:
Remember: The states in blue aren't really supporting Kerry... They are hating Bush.



Unfortunately, for our purposes, that distinction doesn't really matter...
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:42:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I can't believe Bush and Kerry are neck and neck in Michigan!

I need some W stickers!!!



There's a Campaign office on Eureka and Fort St. I picked mine up there. Turn out will be the key, Granholm faded badly at the end and could have been beat.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 12:46:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By brasspile:
Remember: The states in blue aren't really supporting Kerry... They are hating Bush.



Unfortunately, for our purposes, that distinction doesn't really matter...



It might when it actually comes to voting. Will hating Bush motivate voter turnout as much as or more that really supporting Kerry will.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:04:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By brasspile:
Remember: The states in blue aren't really supporting Kerry... They are hating Bush.



Unfortunately, for our purposes, that distinction doesn't really matter...



It might when it actually comes to voting. Will hating Bush motivate voter turnout as much as or more that really supporting Kerry will.



You don't know how much I hope you are right about that!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:08:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I can't believe Bush and Kerry are neck and neck in Michigan!

I need some W stickers!!!



There's a Campaign office on Eureka and Fort St. I picked mine up there. Turn out will be the key, Granholm faded badly at the end and could have been beat.



Thanks for the heads up. That is pretty close to where I work.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:16:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Colorado better turn RED!



I sure hope so...
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:19:53 PM EST
Hmmm - surprised to see PA in the Bush corner, even if in the "barely" category. Was one of the contested states last time around, but I believe Gore ended up beating Bush pretty soundly, and if anything, it seems like it is getting more left-leaning year after year, as Philly and Pittsburg keep devouring the rest of the state.

Rocko
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:34:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:35:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 1:35:57 PM EST by -Absolut-]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Bue outline means barely... think 1% in the polls. I tend to agree with you. TN didn't go for Gore, they aren't going for Kerry!

agreed. but i would take losing Tn. to picking up Pa.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:39:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By brasspile:
I think they need to adjust the number of electoral votes to match geographical size instead of popuplation. Aint right having 80% of the land ruled by what people in 20% of it think things should be like.

Sounds like the Commonwealth of Chicago vs. the rest of the state!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:49:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By brasspile:
I think they need to adjust the number of electoral votes to match geographical size instead of popuplation. Aint right having 80% of the land ruled by what people in 20% of it think things should be like.



Have you ever seen the Red/Blue map that goes by counties? It's eye opening, in Mich you see blue around Detroit, Lansing and Flint and the rest of the state in red. Same with PA and IL and even NY. The Dems rely on getting high "turnout" (read: corruption) in the urban areas where they have 90% of the vote to make up for the rest of the state where they struggle to hit 40%.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:02:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By brasspile:
I think they need to adjust the number of electoral votes to match geographical size instead of popuplation. Aint right having 80% of the land ruled by what people in 20% of it think things should be like.



Have you ever seen the Red/Blue map that goes by counties? It's eye opening, in Mich you see blue around Detroit, Lansing and Flint and the rest of the state in red. Same with PA and IL and even NY. The Dems rely on getting high "turnout" (read: corruption) in the urban areas where they have 90% of the vote to make up for the rest of the state where they struggle to hit 40%.



California is red in most of the state, with LA, Imperial County (migrant workers), and most of the bay area blue.

Why did the commies get blue, by the way?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:04:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By brasspile:
I think they need to adjust the number of electoral votes to match geographical size instead of popuplation. Aint right having 80% of the land ruled by what people in 20% of it think things should be like.





Calif needs to be split into 2 or 3 states. The rural Red Blooded low population counties get dicked by the few over super-populated Blue Demo counties. IIRC my county was 80% Bush in last election...!


Or change the Electoral Votes to county instead of state voted.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:29:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 2:30:03 PM EST by ilike9s]
Oregun better turn red as well or my face will.

ilike9s
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:37:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Noname:
Or change the Electoral Votes to county instead of state voted.



Wow, I like that idea almost as much as the one where only real property owners get to vote.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 5:06:47 PM EST
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