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Posted: 7/3/2012 4:29:44 PM EDT
And without the cronyism and backscratching.












Kickstarter provided more than $150 million in funding to the arts in 2012, outpacing the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), but is that a lot of money? Does that statistic represent any actual change in the arts? How? And how, then, does that apply to education or the sciences, to healthcare?


Jackley: One of the smartest things Kickstarter has done, in my opinion, is give people a great shopping experience related to the arts, that funds the arts. In essence, they've gotten people to pay $200 for a t-shirt plus the feeling of participation in another artist's endeavor. Artists happen to make pretty great t-shirts (and other creative products or experiences related to their art). I'm not sure healthcare professionals or scientists would as frequently have the skills or the inclination to create awesome t-shirts. I mean, of course they could, but artists spend their lives making art. Art is fun to buy. Healthcare professionals don't make art (in any traditional sense). They care about different goals. They are not focused on making beautiful products or experiences for others to admire and maybe eventually buy.












Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:15:08 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:19:49 AM EDT
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I really need to find out how to get kickstarter money.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:28:16 AM EDT
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I really need to find out how to get kickstarter money.


People pledge to support artists and startups. There is no stick, it is all carrot.

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Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:29:09 AM EDT
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I love crowdsourcing.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:36:45 AM EDT
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I really need to find out how to get kickstarter money.






People pledge to support artists and startups. There is no stick, it is all carrot.





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and that is why I need to figure out how to get some money for a project


 





Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:43:38 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:47:49 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


How many NEA grant recipients have you met/talked to/know about their projects?
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:49:19 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


NEA is Constitutional



 
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:58:13 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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Link Posted: 7/5/2012 9:59:57 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?




How many NEA grant recipients have you met/talked to/know about their projects?


A few. I know a lot of docents and artists.

 



Supporting something that you think is worthwhile is great. Having your money confiscated and then doled out by bureaucrats not so much.






Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:00:05 AM EDT
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I really need to find out how to get kickstarter money.


XKCD strikes again!

Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:00:37 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


NEA is Constitutional

 


I agree, but frankly, kickstarter has shown that it's not needed anymore, at least not that part of it.



 
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:00:46 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


NEA is Constitutional

 


How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?





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Well when taxing you for not buying a product is "constitutional" almost every tax is

 
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:01:47 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


It's a wag the dog issue like PBS funding.  The NEA funding would power the Pentagon, Medicare or SS for about 30 minutes.  It's the left's way of getting us off more important issues.

edit - also kickstarter is crap.  I know a few people on it and it's the Amway of film/music industry.

Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:06:12 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:07:14 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


PALEONTOLOGISTS.

Gosh...
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:09:44 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?



NEA is Constitutional


 



How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?
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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.
So why didn't the private business pay him for the service?
 
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:10:58 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


It's a wag the dog issue like PBS funding.  The NEA funding would power the Pentagon, Medicare or SS for about 30 minutes.  It's the left's way of getting us off more important issues.

edit - also kickstarter is crap.  I know a few people on it and it's the Amway of film/music industry.



I wouldn't go as far as saying crap.  Some of the things on there are really cool things that wouldn't get funding any other way.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:11:07 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.
So why didn't the private business pay him for the service?

 


They didn't give a crap about the preservation.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:11:54 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


Can you point out the NEA or even the department of education in the Constitution?
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:13:37 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?


How many NEA grant recipients have you met/talked to/know about their projects?

A few. I know a lot of docents and artists.    

Supporting something that you think is worthwhile is great. Having your money confiscated and then doled out by bureaucrats not so much.




How different is the mandate for education and science? Can you explain the projects you saw? How many of them were "piss in a crucifix jar" type of projects?
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:15:17 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


PALEONTOLOGISTS.

Gosh...


Indiana Jones wannabe jerk-asses!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:16:41 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


PALEONTOLOGISTS.

Gosh...


Indiana Jones wannabe jerk-asses!!!!!!!!!!


They're all a buncha chumps anyway, jerking it to their rock collections and shit.  Not like us manly archaeologists...
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:17:32 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


Can you point out the NEA or even the department of education in the Constitution?


Dept of Education? Don't think so. Big difference between education and Dept.

ETA-Is abortion mentioned in the Constitution? Road building? Healthcare?
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:30:18 AM EDT
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Can you explain the projects you saw? Grants for museums & arts education. How many of them were "piss in a crucifix jar" type of projects? None. All were very mundane. I don't care. I don't object to the NEA out of a sense of moral outrage at the content. I collect art that many on here would find obscene and sacrilegious. I simply do it on my own dime.


I periodically help with fundraisers (shows and auctions, mostly) for arts education, but I do it of my own volition.

 
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:31:58 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


Can you point out the NEA or even the department of education in the Constitution?


Dept of Education? Don't think so. Big difference between education and Dept.

ETA-Is abortion mentioned in the Constitution? Road building? Healthcare?


Actually, roads are listed in the Constitution.  Abortion is (in theory) covered under the 10th. Healthcare isn't a right.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:33:37 AM EDT
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Can you point out the NEA or even the department of education in the Constitution?




Dept of Education? Don't think so. Big difference between education and Dept.



ETA-Is abortion mentioned in the Constitution? Road building? Healthcare?


Everything sets a precedent for everything else.

 



That's why I want to kill every target of opportunity, however small.
Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:37:32 AM EDT
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Can you explain the projects you saw? Grants for museums & arts education. How many of them were "piss in a crucifix jar" type of projects? None. All were very mundane. I don't care. I don't object to the NEA out of a sense of moral outrage at the content. I collect art that many on here would find obscene and sacrilegious. I simply do it on my own dime.

I periodically help with fundraisers (shows and auctions, mostly) for arts education, but I do it of my own volition.  


I'm in no way saying NEA should not be cut. I just feel it should be cut on a percentage basis consistant with other grant funding and educational funding. If you do away with all grant money across the board cut the NEA completely.

Link Posted: 7/5/2012 10:44:15 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to eliminate the NEA?

NEA is Constitutional
 

How?  And even if that is the case, why do we need the federal government to take money from me at gunpoint only to give it to an artist that is going to put a cross in a jar of piss?


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The mandate is similar to any mandate for education. NEA should be cut on par with any other educational mandate due to the fact that the moran who put the cross in piss is one in a thousand. The gentleman I know that received a grant actually helped private business by using his large format camera to map a quarry that dinosaur bones where present in. He managed to convince the archeologists that the photographs would accurately show the state of the bones after they had been exposed and the quarry was then able to resume production. Most NEA grants are like this, not some fool and his excrement.


Can you point out the NEA or even the department of education in the Constitution?


Dept of Education? Don't think so. Big difference between education and Dept.

ETA-Is abortion mentioned in the Constitution? Road building? Healthcare?


Actually, roads are listed in the Constitution.  Abortion is (in theory) covered under the 10th. Healthcare isn't a right.


You are correct, I had a brain fart on the Postal Clause.
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