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Posted: 10/12/2005 7:16:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 7:17:41 PM EDT by BenDover]
I know... all the LEOs are going to state that this was a good takedown and this woman was a criminal... too bad she wasn't in Orange County or she might have been graced with the honor of a jailhouse beating as well...

www.channelcincinnati.com/news/5091037/detail.html

Police Arrest Woman For $1 In Unpaid Taxes
Unfiled City Tax Forms Also Cited In Case

POSTED: 4:57 pm EDT October 12, 2005
UPDATED: 11:10 pm EDT October 12, 2005

LOVELAND, Ohio -- A Tri-State woman was arrested after she didn't pay just more than $1 that she owed in income taxes, News 5's Brian Hamrick reported.

Deborah Combs owed the city of Loveland $1.16 last year, but she also hadn't filed her city income tax forms in five years.

She said officers pulled her over and acted as though she were a violent criminal.

"One sheriff approached my car with his hand on his gun," she said. "Another from the other side of the car leaned in and said, 'Are you Deborah Combs?' He said, 'We have a warrant for your arrest.' I was absolutely shocked."

Combs said she thinks the arrest and charges are over-the-top for the amount she owed.

"What they've spent in stamps is more than what I owe," she said.

She could also end up paying hundreds of dollars in fines for the unfilled tax forms, Hamrick reported.

Loveland City Manager Fred Enderle said the amount Combs owes isn't the real issue.

"Whether it's $1 they owe us or $1,000, it's not fair to the rest of the public to not pursue that person," he said. "There is some expense involved, but it goes back to the principle. We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"

Combs is scheduled to appear in Loveland Mayor's Court on Oct. 20.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:20:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:

"There is some expense involved, but it goes back to the principle. We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"





Let's guess what that principle really was:

(a) We're dicks who have to justify our cool new guns, let's go use them on someone.
(b) Free thought bad, bureaocracy good.
(c) she picked on me in high school - Take that b**ch!

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:21:29 PM EDT
she will probably lose her house in a sheriffs auction to pay the $1
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:21:56 PM EDT
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:22:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



Or the solicitor that wrote it...
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 7:24:33 PM EDT by happycynic]

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



Can we please start applying this logic to lawyers to.  After all, we don't write laws, the Supreme Court does.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:25:26 PM EDT
Give the lady a chance to see if she has a buck in her pocket.

other people are more deserving of being harrassed with such brute force.

over  $2 no less.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:25:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



Or the solicitor that wrote it...



It is still just a sheet of paper until a judge signs.  In this case it was probably an elected judge.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:29:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxxx:

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



Or the solicitor that wrote it...



It is still just a sheet of paper until a judge signs.  In this case it was probably an elected judge.



If it was a deputy SO, then a common pleas county judge had to have signed the warrant, but Ohio has home rule, which means a municipality can make their own rules separate from State Administrative code as long as certain minimums are met. Loveland has a mayor's court, which means the case will be heard by the mayor of the city.

IIRC, she can petition to have the venue moved to common pleas.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:29:56 PM EDT

but she also hadn't filed her city income tax forms in five years.



Think this may have been a factor?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:32:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By P08:

but she also hadn't filed her city income tax forms in five years.



Think this may have been a factor?



Depends on her earnings. We don't know how much she made, and you generally don't have to file anything if you earned less than a certain amount.

Sounds like a serious attempt at despotism (as you will have that in some towns).

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:35:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By P08:

but she also hadn't filed her city income tax forms in five years.



Think this may have been a factor?



Oh C'mon.  If you quote facts you'll spoil a good tirade.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:35:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:38:16 PM EDT
Playing the devil's advocate...

Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

If so, a person guilty of tax evasion is a criminal whether it is for $1 or $100000000.

The judge can't ignore the law, or he would be criminal as well.

The "victom" said "they" wasted more money in stamps than $1.16.

Does that mean they tried notifying her?  And did she ignore it?

Sounds to me like she may have got what she deserved.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:42:00 PM EDT
The LEO's served a warrant.  Why give them shit?  It's not their job to decide whether a warrant is justified or not.  I'm guessing it did not specify the amount she owed.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:43:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 7:44:07 PM EDT by Triumph955i]
The "law" should knock on her door and say. "We are going to barge into your home and take it away because you owe $1.16 to the state revinue service. Should you pay now with a self adressed letter with postage, we will postpone shooting your dog."

Sometimes too much force reflects badly on the community. Especially for a menial $1.16.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:43:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GotGuns:
The LEO's served a warrant.  Why give them shit?  It's not their job to decide whether a warrant is justified or not.  I'm guessing it did not specify the amount she owed.



I suppose you're right about this.

You're making it harder for me to pull johninaustin and AR15fan's chain though.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:44:23 PM EDT
Perhaps the warrant noted that Ms. Combs was known to carry a violin case.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:45:38 PM EDT
Yeah, on the surface it sounds a bit excessive.  But where do you draw the line?  At 500 bucks, 5000 bucks?  Any government anywhere anytime will and should take non payment of taxes as a challenge to its own authority, and she did not file for years.

Who said it here - the penalty of death is implicit in every parking ticket?  It's true.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:46:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:47:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pogo:
Yeah, on the surface it sounds a bit excessive.  But where do you draw the line?  At 500 bucks, 5000 bucks?  Any government anywhere anytime will and should take non payment of taxes as a challenge to its own authority, and she did not file for years.

Who said it here - the penalty of death is implicit in every parking ticket?  It's true.





What about using common sense?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:48:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
The "law" should knock on her door and say. "We are going to barge into your home and take it away because you owe $1.16 to the state revinue service. Should you pay now with a self adressed letter with postage, we will postpone shooting your dog."

Sometimes too much force reflects badly on the community. Especially for a menial $1.16.




Oh they probably sent her 20 letters before they issued a warrant for her. She would probably still not have paid. It'll still give Loveland Cleveland a national reputation for stupidity and plenty of bad plublicity.

If you got a call to interview in Loveland now, wouldn't you think "Holy shit, those are the idiots that arrested that lady over a dollar!"



Cincinnati... not Cleveland.

That's a low blow.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:48:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pogo:
Yeah, on the surface it sounds a bit excessive.  But where do you draw the line?  At 500 bucks, 5000 bucks?  Any government anywhere anytime will and should take non payment of taxes as a challenge to its own authority, and she did not file for years.

Who said it here - the penalty of death is implicit in every parking ticket?  It's true.

Here is a good line, if it costs the public more in gas to get the officer there, than the woman owes it's BS.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 7:52:13 PM EDT by Maxxx]



Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
The "law" should knock on her door and say. "We are going to barge into your home and take it away because you owe $1.16 to the state revinue service. Should you pay now with a self adressed letter with postage, we will postpone shooting your dog."

Sometimes too much force reflects badly on the community. Especially for a menial $1.16.





Where does it say they went to her house?  She was pulled over.


Edit:  Post 223
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:53:20 PM EDT
Typical stupid fucking government and I love the apologists.
Waste ten times the amount owed just to show the peasants who's boss.
And remember, LEOs were just following orders.
Just wait till a judge says.....confiscate their weapons.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:53:46 PM EDT
The real idiot appears to be the City Manager. I'd can his sorry ass for wasting taxpayers money pursing a trivial amount.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 7:56:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 8:00:30 PM EDT by Grunteled]


We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"



Perhaps at the point where you spend thousands of dollars of tax payer  money to collect $1 of tax payer money you fucking moron.  What an absolute wate of public funding.  Stupid beyond words.

ETA: There isn't a sound business person alive that would expend thousands of dollars to collect a $1 debt.  Write it off and send her a bill for the fine.   This was just dumb.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:02:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:06:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Typical stupid fucking government and I love the apologists.
Waste ten times the amount owed just to show the peasants who's boss.
And remember, LEOs were just following orders.
Just wait till a judge says.....confiscate their weapons.



There is a big difference between serving a warrant that is stupid and an illegal one that violates someone rights.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:13:55 PM EDT
I work with a municipal court and about half the warrants we issue start out as $75 tickets for not wearing a seatbelt.  BUT, that's not what's the warrants for.  The reason people end up with a warrant is they don't pay the ticket, so they get a letter telling them to pay the ticket or show up in court.  They don't do either, so they get a letter telling them to show up in court and explain why.  They don't respond to that either, and a warrant ends up being issued for Contempt of Court.  It does piss off a judge to ignore them, right or wrong, you need to keep that reality in mind.

I don't know the facts of this case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't something along those same lines.  One thing I learned a long time ago was not to take the facts at face value when an article is written to get you worked up about some court case, they're usually pretty selectively presented.  A classic example of that was a few years ago a story was written about how a burglar got a million bucks from a school district while being injured during the course of a burglary.  After I researched the actual case, I found out a boy and girl snuck up on the roof of a school to make out after a dance, so technically they were trespassing and probably "burglars".  They walked across the roof of the school building and one fell through a skylight which was set flush with the roof and had been painted to match the rest of the roof, falling into the building and being critically injured.  In addition, someone else had fallen through the same skylight previously and been seriously injured and the school had done nothing to fix the problem.  So, technically the story was correct, but the full facts tell a very different story.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:16:33 PM EDT
Five years of tax evasion + $1.16.  Sounds worth a warrant to me.

What IS a city tax form anyway?  Sounds like a Yankee thing.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:17:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



I vass jest following orderz!
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:17:43 PM EDT
What the hell is city income tax?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:18:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Grunteled:


We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"



Perhaps at the point where you spend thousands of dollars of tax payer  money to collect $1 of tax payer money you fucking moron.  What an absolute wate of public funding.  Stupid beyond words.

ETA: There isn't a sound business person alive that would expend thousands of dollars to collect a $1 debt.  Write it off and send her a bill for the fine.   This was just dumb.



Yea real efficient government there… it is way way pass just dumb.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:18:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Five years of tax evasion + $1.16.  Sounds worth a warrant to me.

What IS a city tax form anyway?  Sounds like a Yankee thing.



He didn't just say Yankee....  

THOSE PEOPLE live in CLEVELAND.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:20:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By amendment:
What the hell is city income tax?



In Ohio, municipalities have the authority to pass taxes on those who reside or work within their limits.

It's a mess.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:22:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
www.channelcincinnati.com/news/5091037/detail.html]
"Whether it's $1 they owe us or $1,000, it's not fair to the rest of the public to not pursue that person," he said. "There is some expense involved, but it goes back to the principle. We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"



That is what I have been saying about illegals, I wonder if they have laws about illegals?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:23:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
www.channelcincinnati.com/news/5091037/detail.html]
"Whether it's $1 they owe us or $1,000, it's not fair to the rest of the public to not pursue that person," he said. "There is some expense involved, but it goes back to the principle. We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"



That is what I have been saying about illegals, I wonder if they have laws about illegals?



There are illegal immigrants working for incorporated businesses within the Loveland city limits.

Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:29:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheSneak:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



I vass jest following orderz!



Oh.  The old LEO = SS argument.  You should check out DU.  You will fit right in.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:29:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
www.channelcincinnati.com/news/5091037/detail.html]
"Whether it's $1 they owe us or $1,000, it's not fair to the rest of the public to not pursue that person," he said. "There is some expense involved, but it goes back to the principle. We have laws. The laws have to be complied with. At what cost do you stop enforcing the law?"



That is what I have been saying about illegals, I wonder if they have laws about illegals?



There are illegal immigrants working for incorporated businesses within the Loveland city limits.




We are becoming as corrupt as mexico...........
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:37:06 PM EDT
I haven't filed taxes in 4 years. Of course, I've been unemployed for 4 years, so I haven't made anything to pay tax on. One look at my credit report will tell you that......

Hope I don't get pulled over in Ohio and find out I owe $1. I have no indication that I do, but that matters little. Courts do not actually have to inform you that you haven't done something to issue a warrant. I know that for a fact and have been to jail for 30 hours to prove it.

BTW, I guess the line is drawn at one dollar. That's where the line is. One dollar.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 8:50:21 PM EDT
Hey, I have an idea: Fuck Taxes !!! and anyone who collects them or enforces bullshit tax laws ...
Government can pass all the "laws" they want but it does not give them the "right" to take "your" money ...
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:04:37 PM EDT
I have a feeling that this stunt will backfire as I'm sure at least 90% of the citizens of loveland will have the common sence to see this as act of stupidity. Hopefully they will remember when it's time to go to the polls.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:11:10 PM EDT
Oh man, are they gonna do some take downs when they find out all those billionares don`t pay taxes.....
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 9:18:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2005 9:29:41 PM EDT by TheSneak]

Originally Posted By Maxxx:

Originally Posted By TheSneak:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
A warrant is a warrant.  The problem is not the officer who served the warrant.  It is the judge that signed it.



I vass jest following orderz!



Oh.  The old LEO = SS argument.  You should check out DU.  You will fit right in.



 You need to work on your thin skin there.

ETA: The point is that otherwise decent folks will do some pretty shitty things under orders, without questioning them.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 4:09:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2005 4:09:46 AM EDT by BenDover]

Originally Posted By rtech:
I haven't filed taxes in 4 years. Of course, I've been unemployed for 4 years, so I haven't made anything to pay tax on. One look at my credit report will tell you that......

Hope I don't get pulled over in Ohio and find out I owe $1. I have no indication that I do, but that matters little. Courts do not actually have to inform you that you haven't done something to issue a warrant. I know that for a fact and have been to jail for 30 hours to prove it.

BTW, I guess the line is drawn at one dollar. That's where the line is. One dollar.



At least in Loveland, Ohio, anyway...

The thing that strikes me as being kind of ironic about this is the fact that Loveland is a fairly affluent suburb. It's not like they have a tax base problem.

Maybe that's why they can afford to spend thousands of $ to collect $1.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:57:03 AM EDT
Shit...I guess I better get ready for a showdown...I owe the county over $2600

What did I do with those sandbags I had while back....
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:16:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Five years of tax evasion + $1.16.  Sounds worth a warrant to me.

What IS a city tax form anyway?  Sounds like a Yankee thing.



Nope. They have it in Radford, VA! (Although I wouldn't be surprised if some damn Yankee carpetbagger was the one who got it instituted!)
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