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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:48:16 PM EDT
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Buy brass.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:50:14 PM EDT
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The mystery is solved.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm In short: The lacquer has nothing to do with the problem at all. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:50:39 PM EDT
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1995 called it's for you.
Run the steel just clean your chamber if it bothers you. I've run steel through almost every rifle I have without issue. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:53:09 PM EDT
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles.
 ETA: O_P explains it while I was typing my response!
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:53:19 PM EDT
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Send me all the steel ammo out there. I am ammo poor, have nothing to shoot and will gladly jam up my bargain bin Rifle on some steel ammo.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:54:36 PM EDT
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The mystery is solved.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm In short: The lacquer has nothing to do with the problem at all. 16 cents a round....sad panda |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 5:55:35 PM EDT
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:00:04 PM EDT
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Buy brass. This is for the AK |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:03:41 PM EDT
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Buy brass. This is for the AK It's an AK don't spoil it with brass. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:08:12 PM EDT
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On an ak? Hell it was deigned to run on steel, it's all I shoot in mine. No worries.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:13:03 PM EDT
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On an ak? Hell it was deigned to run on steel, it's all I shoot in mine. No worries. It just seems wrong to shoot anything but steel through commie guns. Unless it's an SVD or a nice M91/30 PU Sniper model. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:16:14 PM EDT
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I wish we had an ammo forum or something.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:17:47 PM EDT
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I haven't cleaned my MAK-90 since the day I bought it (Feb 1st, 2003).
Thousands upon thousands of rounds....no problem. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:19:46 PM EDT
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I wish we had an ammo forum or something. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile GTFO with your logic and stuff |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:21:48 PM EDT
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Buy brass. This is for the AK You should have said that in the first place. Buy the cheapest non-corrosive ammo that you can find for your AK, it will eat it up. Hell, even corrosive ammo is fine just spray it off with the hose after shooting. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:24:41 PM EDT
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AKs love it.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:27:28 PM EDT
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. ETA: O_P explains it while I was typing my response!It's cause Colt only sells rifles with their name. Not with their quality. 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:32:11 PM EDT
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Solution: Don't spray clear lacquer down the barrels of your guns.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:35:02 PM EDT
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I wish we had an ammo forum or something. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:38:26 PM EDT
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It's an AK don't spoil it with brass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Buy brass. This is for the AK It's an AK don't spoil it with brass. I have never fired a brass cartridge through any of my AK's. I would feel dirty if I did |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:39:11 PM EDT
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Never happened to me , Ever!
And that's pretty much all I shoot! In both AR,s and AK's.... Clean in usual manner is all that is needed. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:45:05 PM EDT
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1995 called it's for you. Run the steel just clean your chamber if it bothers you. I've run steel through almost every rifle I have without issue. Yepper |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:46:27 PM EDT
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I have a stag upper that will not shoot much steel cased ammo without getting stuck in the chamber. No steel for me unless its a commie rifle.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:47:25 PM EDT
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It's not a rumor
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:10:34 AM EDT
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There was a thread here somewhere some months back where they tested, what, 40K rds of different steel-cased brands through AR's and the surprising result wasn't wear/damage from the steel casings but from the bimetallic bullets causing excessive bbl wear.
Tomac |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:20:52 AM EDT
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There was a thread here somewhere some months back where they tested, what, 40K rds of different steel-cased brands through AR's and the surprising result wasn't wear/damage from the steel casings but from the bimetallic bullets causing excessive bbl wear. Tomac The presumed result. This was not a scientific test. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:24:09 AM EDT
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Steel is gtg if you buy a quality rifle. I have a cheap AR that won't shoot the nickel plated Silver Bear stuff , but it will run the Tulammo just fine. My more expensive AR's will shoot anything I put in it.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:27:24 AM EDT
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This should be good. Awaiting all the self-proclaimed experts (usual suspects) to chime in on this one.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:34:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a rumor Yes it is. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:46:43 AM EDT
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These idiotic lacquer case rumors got us poly coated shit that rusts in mild humidity.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:48:03 AM EDT
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Steel is gtg if you buy a quality rifle. I have a cheap AR that won't shoot the nickel plated Silver Bear stuff , but it will run the Tulammo just fine. My more expensive AR's will shoot anything I put in it. Hmmm...I was going to say just the opposite...my cheap AR's (and Mini-14..and Daewoo) do fine with steel-cased ammo... 
I think it boils down to the rifle's chamber...but really don't care. My 5.56mm/.223 guns work fine with it...However I do clean my guns. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:15:48 AM EDT
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No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:21:11 AM EDT
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The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. Yes it does. Just shot some old rounds over the weekend and lo, some were rusty |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:24:32 AM EDT
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The mystery is solved.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm In short: The lacquer has nothing to do with the problem at all. Also the extractor on the AR is narrower than on an AK. I've shot mixed rounds through 106's without issue but the same would nearly always rip through the case rim with brass. Not all brass, but some. I always thought if they could figure out a way to make a wider extractor for greater surface retention with the AR bolt, might address the issue. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:27:57 AM EDT
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I've ran more than my share of both types of x39 through a lot of AK's and SKS rifles and never had any problems whatsoever. Not as many in .223/5.56 in Mini's or AR types but never had any problems there that were attributed to ammo.
That being said....ALL my SHTF ammo for Mini's and AR's are brass. AK's/ SKS I'll feed anything. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:31:09 AM EDT
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No it’s not true… What actually happened is carbon blow-by. The steel cases do not expand and conform to the wall of the chamber like brass, therefore steel cases do not provide the kind of seal that brass does and some of the carbon blows back into the chamber gumming it up. The problem occurs when you shoot brass after steel without cleaning the chamber. Once the brass expands into the now dirty chamber it can become stuck and cause failure to extract issues. I have tried to melt the lacquer with a torch… it’s pretty tough stuff… the enemy is carbon not lacquer or polymer. It’s a non-issue if you know what you are dealing with and clean your chamber when transitioning from steel cased to brass cased. The bigger issue is the jacket… most steel cased ammo also has a steel / bi-metal jacket instead of a copper jacket. Shooting steel jacketed ammo does decrease barrel life, but if you look at the cost savings you can afford to buy 2-3 new barrels with the money you will have saved once you have shot your barrel out. Again, it’s a non-issue…barrels wear out regardless of what kind of ammo you use. Steel jacketed ammo will wear your barrel out quicker, but even if you factor in the cost of a new barrel you are still ahead of the game cost wise. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:32:16 AM EDT
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The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. poly ammo sucks. I use it for training ammo. lacquer and brass for rainy days. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:36:32 AM EDT
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The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had a few issues with the old wolf sticking in my colt's chamber, but none of my other rifles. I have to knock it out with the cleaning rod. My guess is that it was the lacquer on the case getting sticky in the hot chamber. It could also have been that wolf seems to be a lot dirtier, but I never had that issue in any of my non colt rifles. No, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lacquer. Read the posted link. The part that frosts my donut is that they changed from lacquer in the first place, and reduced or eliminated the neck and primer sealant, all because the US market had a bad theory about why the stuff would occasionally jam a rifle. The poly stuff rusts. The Golden Tiger that sgammo sells is lacquered, and has the primer / bullet sealant in place. Last I saw, they had x39 and 5.45 in stock. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:40:06 AM EDT
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I have never fired a brass cartridge through any of my AK's. I would feel dirty if I did Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Buy brass. This is for the AK It's an AK don't spoil it with brass. I have never fired a brass cartridge through any of my AK's. I would feel dirty if I did Even Yugo M67? That stuff is sweet.. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:41:15 AM EDT
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Do the same experiment I did, get yourself a propane torch and an empty case, heat it up and wipe with a white cloth. The cloth was smoking, but no lacquer.
Some rifle chambers will have a hard time digesting steel cased ammo. It does not expand and contract like brass so a rifle with a tight chamber may have problems with it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:43:58 AM EDT
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$500 case of brass - $300 case of steel = New barrel.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:44:42 AM EDT
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I prefer the laquered cases over the polymer coated or the zinc plated.
Copper washed is probably better yet. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:49:11 AM EDT
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I've never had any issues with steel cases whether lacquer coated or polymer coated. I haven't looked at Old_Painless's link, but I'd bet it covers the same thing I've found...the problem is that a lot more carbon ends up in the chamber and if not cleaned out, it will harden and then it can cause a jam. I just make sure to clean the chamber after shooting steel cased ammo and never have a problem.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:01:13 AM EDT
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The Golden Tiger that sgammo sells is lacquered, and has the primer / bullet sealant in place. Last I saw, they had x39 and 5.45 in stock. Last I checked, Brown Bear was the same. It's my preferred load for familiarity's sake. Got hooked way back when on the marlboro man Barnaul. Tiger is very good as well. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:11:55 AM EDT
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wolf steel in my ar will work till it gets too dirty then tears the rim off and gets jammed in the chamber.. Brass will run no issue.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:23:03 AM EDT
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The mystery is solved.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm In short: The lacquer has nothing to do with the problem at all. Three minutes. That's a new record. Someone write that down. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:24:32 AM EDT
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Is there any truth to lacquer coming off the case and depositing inside your chamber? I am fairly new to steel case ammo but it seems to me that the lacquered finish seems to resist corrosion better than the polymer coating. I would like to buy a case for SHTF. Opinions? Something like Golden Tiger or Military Classic Edit: 7.62x39 Welcome to 1980's myth
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:35:48 AM EDT
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It's not a rumor am i the only one that read this in arnold swarzenegger voice? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:39:09 AM EDT
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If only there was a search engine or a website dedicated to topics like these that had an entire section that discussed this very question.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 8:53:27 AM EDT
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am i the only one that read this in arnold swarzenegger voice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a rumor am i the only one that read this in arnold swarzenegger voice? fucker lol |
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