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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:14:03 PM EDT
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fire-drones-20170620-story.html

The Los Angeles Fire Department could soon seek federal permission to fly drones, a tool that officials say could help them track down missing hikers, gauge the risks in burning buildings and search confined spaces.

A Los Angeles City Council committee voted Tuesday to allow the department to start seeking Federal Aviation Administration authorization to use “unmanned aerial systems,” despite objections from groups concerned about privacy rights. That decision now heads to the entire council for approval.

Fire Department officials say the drones will not be used for police surveillance, but to assess hazards on the spot.

At the Tuesday committee meeting, LAFD battalion Chief Richard Fields said that the department too often has had to rely on “simple radio communications” to figure out where to put its firefighters and equipment rescue people or snuff out fires.

Fields rattled off several situations that might call for drones, including evaluating the dangers in buildings at risk of collapse. Englander said the drones could also be equipped to communicate with stranded hikers, allowing rescuers to ask, “‘What do you need? What’s hurting? How are you doing?’”

The growing use of drones, however, has also alarmed groups concerned about warrantless surveillance.

The ACLU of Southern California warned that although the Fire Department has pledged not to use the drones for surveillance, the draft set of rules did not spell out what purposes would be allowed.

“We can’t protect against mission creep because we don’t know what the mission is to start with,” staff attorney Melanie Ochoa said.

Hamid Khan, founder of the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition, argued that allowing the Fire Department to use drones would end up providing a “backdoor” way to share information with police. The group protested when the Los Angeles Police Department got a pair of drones, which have been locked up since then, and has also opposed drone use by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

“We are deeply concerned about this development,” Khan said.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:18:16 PM EDT
This one the other day just found some lost hikers and their dog. What would have been an all out search that might have taken days only took 2 hours to find these people with this drone. Drones are great tool to use.



Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:07:38 PM EDT
Wow Karen Morfitt.... she's hawt!
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2017 10:09:42 PM EDT by fatcat4620]
Being able to get a birds eye view of a structure fire before the apparatus gets there is a good thing.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:11:48 PM EDT
It seems like there are a ton of good and reasonable applications in this case.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:21:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By retgarr:
It seems like there are a ton of good and reasonable applications in this case.
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Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:26:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By retgarr:
It seems like there are a ton of good and reasonable applications in this case.
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But certain groups always look at the worst case scenarios to oppose things.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:29:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fire-drones-20170620-story.html

The Los Angeles Fire Department could soon seek federal permission to fly drones, a tool that officials say could help them track down missing hikers, gauge the risks in burning buildings and search confined spaces.

A Los Angeles City Council committee voted Tuesday to allow the department to start seeking Federal Aviation Administration authorization to use “unmanned aerial systems,” despite objections from groups concerned about privacy rights. That decision now heads to the entire council for approval.

Fire Department officials say the drones will not be used for police surveillance, but to assess hazards on the spot.

At the Tuesday committee meeting, LAFD battalion Chief Richard Fields said that the department too often has had to rely on “simple radio communications” to figure out where to put its firefighters and equipment rescue people or snuff out fires.

Fields rattled off several situations that might call for drones, including evaluating the dangers in buildings at risk of collapse. Englander said the drones could also be equipped to communicate with stranded hikers, allowing rescuers to ask, “‘What do you need? What’s hurting? How are you doing?’”

The growing use of drones, however, has also alarmed groups concerned about warrantless surveillance.

The ACLU of Southern California warned that although the Fire Department has pledged not to use the drones for surveillance, the draft set of rules did not spell out what purposes would be allowed.

“We can’t protect against mission creep because we don’t know what the mission is to start with,” staff attorney Melanie Ochoa said.

Hamid Khan, founder of the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition, argued that allowing the Fire Department to use drones would end up providing a “backdoor” way to share information with police. The group protested when the Los Angeles Police Department got a pair of drones, which have been locked up since then, and has also opposed drone use by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

“We are deeply concerned about this development,” Khan said.
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Just about all the fed, state and local people have drones in NYC's No Fly Zone
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:33:07 PM EDT
and search confined spaces
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lol
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:33:51 PM EDT
The government entities that some might worry about wouldn't bother to ask permission.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:41:06 PM EDT
I thought the FAA lost the legal challenge to registering drones. Not in their preview and overstepped authority ?
If so... do as you want.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:45:23 PM EDT
What brand of drones? DJI?
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