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Posted: 12/17/2016 6:38:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/17/2016 7:32:08 PM EST by Dramborleg]
We all already knew about Trump having a "chat" with Boeing about the new AF-1 4.3 billion dollar boondoggle. Well, he made it clear in his Alabama speech how badly it was set up with cost over-runs etc, and that he was going to fix that one too... "believe me".

Cant wait to get a real cost cutter in to tell these rapist Defense contractors that the party is over, and its back to lean and mean


Edited to clarify Lockmart.. my bad.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:46:54 PM EST
We shall see.
We shall indeed see just what he accomplishes.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:50:02 PM EST
Boeing doesn't make the F-35
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:54:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raven:
Boeing doesn't make the F-35
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What about the F150?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:55:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dramborleg:
We all already knew about Trump having a "chat" with Boeing about the new AF-1 4.3 billion dollar boondoggle. Well, he made it clear in his Alabama speech how badly it was set up with cost over-runs etc, and that he was going to fix that one too... "believe me".

Cant wait to get a real cost cutter in to tell these rapist Defense contractors that the party is over, and its back to lean and mean
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He put Boeing on notice for the Lockheed Martin F-35? I am tired of winning.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:56:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raven:
Boeing doesn't make the F-35
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 Correct..it's the Martin company. Or is it...Marietta... hmm... so many mergers over the years.. I just call it the big military industrial complex that rips off the taxpayer.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:58:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Dramborleg:
We all already knew about Trump having a "chat" with Boeing about the new AF-1 4.3 billion dollar boondoggle. Well, he made it clear in his Alabama speech how badly it was set up with cost over-runs etc, and that he was going to fix that one too... "believe me".

Cant wait to get a real cost cutter in to tell these rapist Defense contractors that the party is over, and its back to lean and mean
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A lot of the cost over runs are due to fucking idiots in the .gov changing shit at the last minute
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 7:02:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Fourays2:

A lot of the cost over runs are due to fucking idiots in the .gov changing shit at the last minute
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Truth.

"Hey guys we have built this new armored vehicle. It is light weight, long range, has a 30 mm gun and good armor."

DoD: " we want to put missiles on it, and add more armor to stop hits by tanks".

Press: " New armored vehicle behind schedule, over budget, doesn't perform as advertised."
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 7:13:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Fourays2:

A lot of the cost over runs are due to fucking idiots in the .gov changing shit at the last minute
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Yup. I can't get through a single contract item without a dozen or so change orders... even simple shit takes a month or two to push through. But hey, they wanted to go fixed price.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 7:19:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:



Truth.

"Hey guys we have built this new armored vehicle. It is light weight, long range, has a 30 mm gun and good armor."

DoD: " we want to put missiles on it, and add more armor to stop hits by tanks".

Press: " New armored vehicle behind schedule, over budget, doesn't perform as advertised."
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The B-2 is a good example of this. Northrop Grumman was originally to build 132 of them but the order was slashed to only 21; the R&D costs were spread out over these 21 aircraft and the MSM had a field day!
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 7:50:56 PM EST
I've worked in 2 defense plants making F35 parts.   It's a welfare program for the defense contractors.   All the majors are subcontractors to LockMart.  And they all have multiple subs themselves.    Every layer has a mark up.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 7:57:12 PM EST
Probably should wait just a few weeks before he starts making claims on subjects such as that.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:09:20 PM EST
Sorry sir ... Boeing already bent the knee and kissed the ring about AF-1.

As well as many Tech Kings and Queens... multiple never Trumpers etc etc etc

Everybody is getting in the line to get those sweet sweet corporate tax rates and repatriation of funds from overseas.

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:18:25 PM EST
If the pentagon could make up their fuckin mind what they want before they order it, it would save billions.
The P8 Poseidon has been on schedule, and on budget, since its planning phase, and the Navy loves that plane.
The key to its success was in knowing what they wanted, and sticking to the original plan.
AF-1 could be a fixed price contract too, if they figure out what they want, and stick to the agreement.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:50:35 PM EST
We just need to go back to the old way of making our warfighting equipment.

Give the companies who want to build it the specs we require and then have them make it on their own dime. The best product wins the contract.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:56:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By svt40:
We just need to go back to the old way of making our warfighting equipment.

Give the companies who want to build it the specs we require and then have them make it on their own dime. The best product wins the contract.
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This.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:06:33 PM EST
I'm suddenly flashing back to this movie...

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:08:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
If the pentagon could make up their fuckin mind what they want before they order it, it would save billions.
The P8 Poseidon has been on schedule, and on budget, since its planning phase, and the Navy loves that plane.
The key to its success was in knowing what they wanted, and sticking to the original plan.
AF-1 could be a fixed price contract too, if they figure out what they want, and stick to the agreement.
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Well said.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:21:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
If the pentagon could make up their fuckin mind what they want before they order it, it would save billions.
The P8 Poseidon has been on schedule, and on budget, since its planning phase, and the Navy loves that plane.
The key to its success was in knowing what they wanted, and sticking to the original plan.
AF-1 could be a fixed price contract too, if they figure out what they want, and stick to the agreement.
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No airplane should cost as much as a modern day aircraft carrier.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:22:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/17/2016 10:23:19 PM EST by Woodsrider]
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Originally Posted By MikeS369:

No airplane should cost as much as a modern day aircraft carrier.
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If you're talking about the bullshit number trump spewed regarding the current contract for the replacement for AF-1, he pulled that number out of his ass.
According to Politico, the AF has only budgeted $1.65B for two new presidential aircraft. When you consider the price for a delivered 747-8 BBJ (without aerial refueling, and all of the other really cool top secret shit on AF-1) is around $358m with lavish interior, that's a pretty good price. especially when you factor in 30 years of spares, and all the other support that is in the (current AF-1) contract.

The only thing Boeing is under contract for at the moment is $170m for development of the requirements. As I stated earlier, If they knew what they wanted and stuck with it through the contract, it could be a fixed price contract. But when you come to the only two players, and say "Help us determine our needs and wants and then we'll buy it." and one player doesn't even bid it, well its going to cost money to determine what you need.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:25:52 PM EST
That is not at all what I have heard... they tried to deny the price tag was 4.3bn and then came back and said yeah it was correct.

Nice spouting of the main stream media talking points though, good job.

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:30:51 PM EST
No God Emperor. They are all little Napoleons.
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