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Posted: 10/1/2004 5:25:48 AM EST
Does this make any sense to anyone but JFK?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:28:27 AM EST
Is he going to plant some "special forces seeds" on his estates and sprout a few thousand extra a month?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:28:33 AM EST
I dont get it either.

Sorta same thing happening here. Opposition leader says if he wins, he will move a Regiment from a Sydney barracks to up north. Problem is, that Regiment deals with counter terrosism for Sydney...
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:28:53 AM EST
No.

Kerry is going to add soldiers, Bush isn't.

Democrats are proposing a draft.

I wonder what the real issue is? Campaign strategy or idiocy?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:33:26 AM EST
He will invade mexico and gather his 2 divisions there.

To get the special forces he will prowl the internet message gun boards.

See easy
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:34:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Torf:

I wonder what the real issue is? Campaign strategy or idiocy?



I thought idiocy WAS his campaign strategy!
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:41:37 AM EST
Double SF?

He would have to lower the standards quite a bit to do that in any significant amount of time, IMHO.

Oops, I forgot the funshow circuit. Lots of experienced operators to be found in the beef jerky aisle. My bad...

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:00:17 AM EST
Kerry will impose a draft and try and draft all republicans and throw them into a suicide war ...

how's that for tinfoil hat talk ?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:05:46 AM EST
The funny thing about the Kerry statement of two new divisions and doubling of the special forces is the special forces part. Isn't the failure rate for getting into any of them way high? Seems he'd have to double the size of the military and let them apply, then when 90% of them couldn't hack it he'd have to fire the rest to get back down to only two divisions up.

The guy is an idiot.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:10:32 AM EST
He is aslo planning on dropping Haliburton/ KBR immediately. Great idea. Talk about not having a plan. I don't think any other company has the size or the experience to simply walk in and take oer. That move would pretty much kill all the logistic in theater. Not a good idea.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:11:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:12:33 AM EST
Hey, anything to keep from making Cheney rich, right?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:13:07 AM EST
Want to double the size of SOF in a hurry? That’s easy... Take two Ranger Battalions, the only two rescue units left in the Air Force, let SOCOM absorb them, and bingo... you just doubled the size of your SOF force.

Kerry is a tool.

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:14:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Hey, anything to keep from making Cheney rich, right?



I would say he is already rich.

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:15:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Hey, anything to keep from making Cheney rich, right?



I would say he is already rich.




Not in Kerry's league.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:16:31 AM EST
Bush is gonna draft your kids using bills sponcered by Dems. Damn he is tricky.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:16:39 AM EST
Raising re-enlistment/re-up bonuses and stress pay for SF MOS's might help retention. I don't know how high they currently are, but Blackwater at $200K is probably hard to resist when you're making $50K-$60K tops with Uncle Sugar.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:18:06 AM EST
I was at Republican HQ locally watching the debate when I heard that.

I said out loud, "I want Ninja's! Where are my Ninja's?"

The whole room burst out laughing.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:23:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:
He will invade mexico and gather his 2 divisions there.

To get the special forces he will prowl the internet message gun boards.

See easy



Exactly what Stalin would have done, had there been an internet. Send all the Arfcommers to Iraq, end of problem.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:46:24 AM EST
Kerry needs to get a clue.

If his fellow democrap party crony Clinton et al hadn't made all the military cuts that they did while he was president (yes, the small p was intentional ), we'd still have the manpower. Instead, military funding took a beating. With all the cuts, we became an inviting target to all of those that would be our enemy.

The democrats and their cuts invited all of the carnage and tragedy that we have suffered in recent years. But they will never understand, nor take responsibility for their well-intentioned, but misguided thinking.


World Trade Center bombing (I), what did Clinton do? Pretty much nothing. Somalia? Kept our militarys hands tied, hence Mogadishu. If our boys had had the armor that they had requested, BHD probably never would have happened.

When shit happens, and there's a republican President in sitting, the hounds of hell are unleashed.
World Trade Center II, Bush sends our boys and girls to break heads. Libyan terrorists blow up Americans in a German discotheque, President Reagan sends gifts via express delivery. The big brown truck ain't got nothin' on an F-111!

It's quite easy to distinguish a republican from a democrat

Democrat- kisses ass
Republican- kicks ass

They sound similar, so it's understandable why the democrats get confused.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:50:48 AM EST
Double the size of the SF?

Best we could do is create a National Guard or Reserve Ranger Regiment, and maybe one or two more NG SF groups.

This would allow us to retain more of them, by allowing them to leave and take hi paying Civy jobs AND still have them somewhat in the system where we can access them.

Cause right now they are going to places like Blackwater and they are BEYOND recall.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:51:03 AM EST
We are adding about 40,000 new Army and Marines this fiscal year. We cannot double SF without seriously diluting the SF.

Clinton really screwed us with his huge military cuts.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:05:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 7:06:46 AM EST by AtLarge]
I didn't get to see but a few minutes of the debate. The part I did catch was Kerry bitchin we were too tight on manpower and Bush had to install a backdoor draft to support the war. In the same 90 second babble he's going to send in more troops. Did I hear this correctly? Where was he going to get them from?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:17:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:
He will invade mexico and gather his 2 divisions there.
See easy



Well, one could argue that everyone who can run, jump, or swim in Mexico is already here. but that might not be a completely true assessment of the situation...
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:20:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
He is aslo planning on dropping Haliburton/ KBR immediately. Great idea. Talk about not having a plan. I don't think any other company has the size or the experience to simply walk in and take oer. That move would pretty much kill all the logistic in theater. Not a good idea.



Schlumberger, a French oil production company could pull it off in return for a sweet heart no bid contract. Plus then French troops would become involved protecting their workers.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:45:46 AM EST
SF is already recruiting weapons and Engineering specialists right off the street. Still have to pass Q and specialty training, but the maturity level required is down a bit.

The Air Force opened the Special Tactics Squadron MOS's up to officers a few years ago. They decided that these units really do need some officers to go to bat for them.

Most SF level units have 80% or better failure rates. Some classes end before the cycle because everyone dropped out or failed out.

The last time they tried to expand SF too fast was in Vietnam resulting in some serious problems with troop quality and some real dubious psychologies that needed weeding out afterwards. We don't want that again.


Kerry doesn't mean ANYTHING he says though, he doesn't have to since he's just a candidate and has no real record of accomplishing anything but being against stuff.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:51:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:
He will invade mexico and gather his 2 divisions there.

To get the special forces he will prowl the internet message gun boards.

See easy



Sweet! I'll have to go to the next gunshow wearing my greasy camo t-shirt. I'm sure the covert recruiters will notice my talent.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:53:24 AM EST
If Kommie-Kerry doesn't mention "draft" then the sheeple won't realize that he means to draft in order to fill those slots up. Lieing by omition is still lieing.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:10:19 AM EST
mail order.

btw, any ideas on what it would cost to train and equip two combat ready divisions?? i cannot possibly see how it would be inexpensive, yet he just tossed this idea out there as casually as if he added a head of lettuce to the grocery list.

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 9:09:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 9:09:56 AM EST by KA3B]
You guys are dumb.

Kerry will integrate the US Military into the UN, problem solved.
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