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Posted: 6/27/2015 4:27:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:29:58 PM EDT
i know its a kel tec but that thing is stupid cool,,, i want one
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:41:18 PM EDT
Kel tec has alot of really cool guns, i can just never find any of them.
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:44:58 PM EDT
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...and here's a plus one

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Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:47:23 PM EDT
how is the reliability of the KSG?
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:50:00 PM EDT
It's cool but for an offbeat shotgun I'd rather this little guy:

http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/2629
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:50:50 PM EDT
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Some folks here will say otherwise, but I've had no issues with jams. Occasionally I may not rack the slide back hard enough which won't chamber a new round, but that is rare.
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 4:52:09 PM EDT
Should have been a semi auto.
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I just want a SUB2k in glock mag config.

 
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 5:27:16 PM EDT
They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.
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Videos are all over youtube of them failing to feed.
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 5:33:02 PM EDT
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seriously. if only they made a non walnut version to keep the price reasonable...
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With detachable mag.

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So basically a Saiga 12?
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 5:41:02 PM EDT
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That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?

They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
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They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.






That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?





They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.

 








 
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Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.  



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They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.




That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?



They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.  



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... are you bringing that hardware when you move to Arizona?
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 6:26:07 PM EDT
AZ isn't happening right now.... got promoted and sent back to Miami. But I am visiting AZ soon enough and will be bringing toys.
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No.  The Saiga is an ergonomic nightmare, not tremendously reliable with varied ammunition and uses the outdated 'hook and swoop' magazine insertion.
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 6:40:27 PM EDT
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Check out your local Friends of NRA. KelTec is a great supporter and the Friends can often raffle or auction off guns that you can't get at the shop. Sometimes with special engraving too!

Find a Friends of NRA group near you
Link Posted: 6/27/2015 11:19:33 PM EDT
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They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.


That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?

They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.  

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Darn, missing something.    

Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:27:01 PM EDT
Ran 25 rounds of slugs through it today. No problems.

Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:28:55 PM EDT
Well, Biden says "Get a shotgun". I reckon that'll do.
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Some folks here will say otherwise, but I've had no issues with jams. Occasionally I may not rack the slide back hard enough which won't chamber a new round, but that is rare.

+1, they are damn fun to play with, kicking son-o-bitch with heavy shells


 
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:31:40 PM EDT
Haven't had any problems with my Gen 2.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:33:59 PM EDT
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I've sold a bunch of them and the only one that's had a problem was one that really needed to be cleaned. After that it worked great.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 3:58:15 AM EDT
I really want one of these bad. It will probably happen soon.

I haven't decided if I want one in black or FDE. I have a small fetish for FDE guns, but classic black is cool too.

The Aguila minishells are what sold me.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:17:39 AM EDT
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They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.


That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?

They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.  

http://i.imgur.com/eKoH0eJ.jpg
 


You really like plastic weapons don't you?
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:20:29 AM EDT
I've never seen or fired one that worked right.

And the video of that dude loosing his hand, though.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:22:51 AM EDT
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Can you expand on that? How did they malfunction? What generation were they?
Video? There is a video of the incident?
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:33:01 AM EDT
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You really like plastic weapons don't you?
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They were all over the gunshow today for $799.  But since my luck with Kel-Tec is about on par with my luck with Taurus, I passed them by.  But I saw at least 5 of them, new in the box, and this is a fairly small gunshow.


That's a good price, compared to what they were first going for, no?

They haven't fixed the reliability issues?
Yes, they've fixed the issues. I have a Gen 2 and it works great.  

http://i.imgur.com/eKoH0eJ.jpg
 


You really like plastic weapons don't you?


I can't speak for him, but I prefer plastic/aluminum/steel to wood/steel guns.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:41:22 AM EDT
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Can you expand on that? How did they malfunction? What generation were they?
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And the video of that dude loosing his hand, though.


Can you expand on that? How did they malfunction? What generation were they?
Video? There is a video of the incident?


I have seen a few upset owners at the job trying to clear malfunctions.
Might have been self induced though, but I have too many special folks to watch at any given time.
The one I shot had quite a few failures to eject. It just also felt Really cheap.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:47:52 AM EDT
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I have seen a few upset owners at the job trying to clear malfunctions.
Might have been self induced though, but I have too many special folks to watch at any given time.
The one I shot had quite a few failures to eject. It just also felt Really cheap.
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And the video of that dude loosing his hand, though.


Can you expand on that? How did they malfunction? What generation were they?
Video? There is a video of the incident?


I have seen a few upset owners at the job trying to clear malfunctions.
Might have been self induced though, but I have too many special folks to watch at any given time.
The one I shot had quite a few failures to eject. It just also felt Really cheap.


I am excited to get my hands on one and see this phenomenon for myself. It seems like the shells could be pushed back into their respective holes to make way.

I could be very wrong though. My only experience with them was finger fucking one at the gun store a couple of weeks ago.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:24:04 AM EDT
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No.  The Saiga is an ergonomic nightmare, not tremendously reliable with varied ammunition and uses the outdated 'hook and swoop' magazine insertion.


I have never seen a semiautomatic shotgun malfunction more than the SaiGA 12.
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Only the Saiga isn't a bullpup.  You can convert it, although I did hear that the company making the conversion kits stopped production.
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You really like plastic weapons don't you?





 
 
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But Polymer beats that shit by a mile.





Link Posted: 6/29/2015 7:04:53 AM EDT
I've had mine for a while. How do I tell if it's Gen 2 or not? Never had a problem with it.
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Gen 1













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Link Posted: 6/30/2015 1:41:21 PM EDT
I am undecided. I would like to shoot one.
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I've got an RFB, and there is a KSG sitting at my favorite SOT, and another one at the shop near my house.
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Maybe I'm just a little bitch but I found it very unpleasant and painful.

Still kind of want one though  I need to shoot one again to remind myself that I really don't.
Link Posted: 6/30/2015 1:52:06 PM EDT
Just curious, but what has KT done for those who bought the gen 1 KSG and experienced failure to feed problems?
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Some folks here will say otherwise, but I've had no issues with jams. Occasionally I may not rack the slide back hard enough which won't chamber a new round, but that is rare.



Same with mine.  Only issues I've had were directly traced back to me.   It is a 2nd generation.
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That shoots 5.56.... then we'd be getting somewhere.  

Link Posted: 6/30/2015 1:56:24 PM EDT
I haven't shot one, but I've handled both the KSG and the UTAS-15. I definitely like the way the KSG feels, the UTAS feels way too plasticy.
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I bet it still scares the pants off of home invaders.
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That shoots 5.56.... then we'd be getting somewhere.  



You mean like the RDB?
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Maybe I'm just a little bitch but I found it very unpleasant and painful.

Still kind of want one though  I need to shoot one again to remind myself that I really don't.
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Maybe I'm just a little bitch but I found it very unpleasant and painful.

Still kind of want one though  I need to shoot one again to remind myself that I really don't.


I have yet to shoot one, but it couldn't be as bad as my can cannon.
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That shoots 5.56.... then we'd be getting somewhere.  



You mean like the RDB?


You're definitely moving in the right direction.  
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Some folks here will say otherwise, but I've had no issues with jams. Occasionally I may not rack the slide back hard enough which won't chamber a new round, but that is rare.
Mine failed to release a round from the magazine once on the first 3 or so rounds I shot it

after that its been fine

but I still wouldn't use it for anything important



 
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