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Posted: 11/17/2011 7:05:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 7:40:27 AM EDT by USC45]
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:06:41 AM EDT
Don't worry. We'll have our own in this country before too long.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:32:55 AM EDT
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:35:39 AM EDT
And to think that our country was "allied" with such murderers not long after.

War indeed makes for strange bedfellows.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:42:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 8:03:20 AM EDT by Shane333]
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:45:11 AM EDT
Feel good movie of the year!
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:47:03 AM EDT

Europe was NOT freed in 1945. If there is one trite and incredibly untrue saying that Americans use far too often and which drives me up the wall is that "we saved Europe".Bullshit,we handed over half the continent for the next 50 years including with no sense of irony the country over which WWII began.


The Poles got fucked,plain and simple. The fact that so few know about the US and especially the Brits sending back the formerly free Poles and Czechs who fought in their uniforms to be murdered by the Commies is nothing short of a travesty and a gross insult to their memory.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:52:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By outofbattery:

Europe was NOT freed in 1945. If there is one trite and incredibly untrue saying that Americans use far too often and which drives me up the wall is that "we saved Europe".Bullshit,we handed over half the continent for the next 50 years including with no sense of irony the country over which WWII began.


The Poles got fucked,plain and simple. The fact that so few know about the US and especially the Brits sending back the formerly free Poles and Czechs who fought in their uniforms to be murdered by the Commies is nothing short of a travesty and a gross insult to their memory.


Agreed on all counts. The western Allies are as culpable as the Soviets in the murder of all those "repatriated" to Eastern Europe.

Looks like an interesting flick.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 8:02:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 8:04:47 AM EDT by Shane333]
By the way, in Operation Barbarossa, the Germans began finding these mass graves and reported them to the international community as war crimes in 1943 (yes, very ironic).

Sadly, despite getting reports from both American and British investigators that the Soviets were indeed responsible, both the USA and Britain swept the issue under the rug for political expediency and took an official stance blaming the Germans.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:15:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
And to think that our country was "allied" with such murderers not long after.

War indeed makes for strange bedfellows.


The U.S. and British governments actually aided the Soviets in such endeavors as part of our alliance. WWII was a dark time. I just can't view it as the great crusade like others do.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:40:37 AM EDT
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:44:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.


Common behavior for communists. American communists would do the same thing if they ever get the chance. Yet another reason to keep and bare arms.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:45:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 11:46:29 AM EDT by sbhaven]
There's a monument to the Katyn Forest massacre in Jersey City, NJ.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:52:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I understand that a contributing factor to Stalin's death was that he'd had the Jewish doctors in the Moscow area rounded up shortly before his stroke, so that when he had his stroke there was a local shortage of doctors qualified to treat him.

That said, I was under the impression that many (though not all) Jews were supportive of the initial Bolshevik Revolution, only to find themselves marginalized again once the Soviets came into power.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 11:57:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.


Common behavior for communists. American communists would do the same thing if they ever get the chance. Yet another reason to keep and bare arms.


Good point.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:00:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.


I read recently (I can't remember the book, but it was a serious one) that between WWI and WWII Poland had the best intelligence service in Europe, if not the world, and had a network in Ukraine that was just about good enough to pull Ukraine out of the USSR. This (in addition to historical loathing) is supposedly the basis for WWII-era Soviet paranoia over Poland.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:05:46 PM EDT
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:07:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.


I read recently (I can't remember the book, but it was a serious one) that between WWI and WWII Poland had the best intelligence service in Europe, if not the world, and had a network in Ukraine that was just about good enough to pull Ukraine out of the USSR. This (in addition to historical loathing) is supposedly the basis for WWII-era Soviet paranoia over Poland.


That, together with the fact that there was residual Russian indignation from the Poles conquering as far as Moscow a few centuries before.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:08:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:09:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Never surrender to any enemy is an even better one to remember. We and a small handful of other countries are the ONLY ones in all of history to treat captured enemies with anything resembling humane treatment. The rest vary from inhumane to outright evil.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:17:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


This right here. There is no such thing as getting onto the transport truck quietly.

Fucking savages.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:19:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.

So, National Socialists and Communists?



We may have screwed them over but I doubt we marched them to the edge of pits and shot them all.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:19:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 12:20:02 PM EDT by Shane333]
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.


By every side, including the British and French who threw Poland under the bus to avoid confrontation with Germany and Russia.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:24:48 PM EDT
Yep, blame it on the joos and their puppet Joe Stalin.

I don't doubt that there were Jews involved, along with Russian Orthodox, communist non-believers...
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:27:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
I guess there is a back-story to go along with it. It would get pretty darn mind-numbing to sit through two hours of that.


Backstory:
The Germans and Russians jointly carved up Poland in 1939. The Russians were suspicious and perhaps a bit afraid of the Polish. So on the Russian side of conquered Poland, the Commies rounded up all the Polish military officers, along with police officers, teachers, priests, lawyers, and even Boy Scout leaders, and took them into the forest for mass executions/murders. Basically anyone perceived as capable of organizing any opposition to the Soviets was murdered.


And blamed the Germans for many years.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 1:57:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.


By every side, including the British and French who threw Poland under the bus to avoid confrontation with Germany and Russia.


This is the truth. After the war we fucked Poles further by "repatriating" free Poles who fought with the Allies to a socialist hellhole, against their wishes, and many were given the same treatment. We fucked them by supporting the SOviet army and FDR fucked them by giving away eastern Europe to the Marxists at the Yalta Accords.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 1:59:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:

And to think that our country was "allied" with such murderers not long after.

War Political expediency indeed makes for strange bedfellows.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:09:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SkiShooter:
Yep, blame it on the joos and their puppet Joe Stalin.

I don't doubt that there were Jews involved, along with Russian Orthodox, communist non-believers...

Hey, "Pin The Blame On The Jew," the world's favorite game for 2000 years now.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:19:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By runcible:
Originally Posted By SkiShooter:
Yep, blame it on the joos and their puppet Joe Stalin.

I don't doubt that there were Jews involved, along with Russian Orthodox, communist non-believers...

Hey, "Pin The Blame On The Jew," the world's favorite game for 2000 years now.


While the Jewish comment at the beginning of the video is obviously uncalled for, the point is that the Soviets mass murdered anyone they thought could even possibly organize opposition.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:19:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I understand that a contributing factor to Stalin's death was that he'd had the Jewish doctors in the Moscow area rounded up shortly before his stroke, so that when he had his stroke there was a local shortage of doctors qualified to treat him.

That said, I was under the impression that many (though not all) Jews were supportive of the initial Bolshevik Revolution, only to find themselves marginalized again once the Soviets came into power.


Not really, most Russian Jews (my family included) were poor and didn't only live in the large cities but at least half lived in small villages. These people had no interest in politics. They were persecuted by the Russians long before the Nazis but the progroms before the war of course paled to the Nazi mass murders. I'm sure some Jews supported the commies at first thinking that they would actually practice what they preached about equality. But that faded fast and like the Doctors purge you mentioned, most Jews were treated very badly by the Soviets. Just not as badly as by the Nazis. After all, the Protocols were written by the Czars secret police, and many of these same assholes became NKVD.

There were Jewish Polish Army officers murdered at Katyn too. But that stuff about "mostlyJewish NKVD officers is bullshit. My father was in the Red Army during the war. He joined after loosing his family in the Holocaust, then joining the partisans then finally the Red Army. He told me that most of the Russian officers didn't give him problems for being Jewish but the NKVD commissars did. He also said many of these "political" officers would quickly die in combat, often as soon as the Russians encountered enemy fire. Of course those deaths were entirely coincidental and they always were reported to have died while leading a brave charge. That fragging was never investigated during the 2 years he was in. After the war he found my mother and crossed to the American side of Munich, ending up here.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:28:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By az_larry:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I understand that a contributing factor to Stalin's death was that he'd had the Jewish doctors in the Moscow area rounded up shortly before his stroke, so that when he had his stroke there was a local shortage of doctors qualified to treat him.

That said, I was under the impression that many (though not all) Jews were supportive of the initial Bolshevik Revolution, only to find themselves marginalized again once the Soviets came into power.


Not really, most Russian Jews (my family included) were poor and didn't only live in the large cities but at least half lived in small villages. These people had no interest in politics. They were persecuted by the Russians long before the Nazis but the progroms before the war of course paled to the Nazi mass murders. I'm sure some Jews supported the commies at first thinking that they would actually practice what they preached about equality. But that faded fast and like the Doctors purge you mentioned, most Jews were treated very badly by the Soviets. Just not as badly as by the Nazis. After all, the Protocols were written by the Czars secret police, and many of these same assholes became NKVD.

There were Jewish Polish Army officers murdered at Katyn too. But that stuff about "mostlyJewish NKVD officers is bullshit. My father was in the Red Army during the war. He joined after loosing his family in the Holocaust, then joining the partisans then finally the Red Army. He told me that most of the Russian officers didn't give him problems for being Jewish but the NKVD commissars did. He also said many of these "political" officers would quickly die in combat, often as soon as the Russians encountered enemy fire. Of course those deaths were entirely coincidental and they always were reported to have died while leading a brave charge. That fragging was never investigated during the 2 years he was in. After the war he found my mother and crossed to the American side of Munich, ending up here.


Which puts you in competition with the younger Avilas for luckiest man on ArfCom.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:40:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hugo_Stiglitz:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Never surrender to any enemy is an even better one to remember. We and a small handful of other countries are the ONLY ones in all of history to treat captured enemies with anything resembling humane treatment. The rest vary from inhumane to outright evil.


If you are going to be found dead in a ditch, it should be because you ran out of ammo and your knife blade broke, not that you were led there and executed like those poor bastages.

The USA should have never given the russians any aid during the war,IMO.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:42:22 PM EDT
Just remember, the OWS crowd would gladly do the same to you and yor family if they had the chance.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 2:53:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2011 2:55:07 PM EDT by whiskey]
What's the name of this movie - Katyn?
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:01:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Uh, excuse me, but I think we already did this during the last presidential election. Watch him take the gloves off during his second term.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:04:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I just Googled "NKVD and Jewish".

It turns out that 6 out of 10 high ranking NKVD officers were Jewish. Imagine that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:06:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By whiskey:
What's the name of this movie - Katyn?




Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:02:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.


Yes. Socialist type A and Socialist type B.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:15:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Veracity:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I just Googled "NKVD and Jewish".

It turns out that 6 out of 10 high ranking NKVD officers were Jewish. Imagine that.


Hush. Jooz are sacred cows here.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:27:04 PM EDT
Plenty of room in hell for the filth that would murder people like that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:44:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Veracity:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I just Googled "NKVD and Jewish".

It turns out that 6 out of 10 high ranking NKVD officers were Jewish. Imagine that.



Ah, from a site called "Jew Watch" c'mon, Yagoda NKVD chief was a Jew and executed by Stalin. There were thousands of secret police, some were Jews and they defiantly had incentive to get payback for centurys of Polish, Russian, Bellorussian, Lithuanian and Latvian persecution. But they were not the majority. Per capita more Jews were probably murdered by Stalin than any other minority in Eastern Europe.

Blaming Jews for Katyn is flat out untrue. But if you ask a Russian they'll flip responsibility to anyone except themselves.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:46:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 96Ag:

Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.

So, National Socialists and Communists?



We may have screwed them over but I doubt we marched them to the edge of pits and shot them all.


No, but we did ship a lot of people (can't remember if that included Poles or not) at gunpoint to the Soviets so they could be liquidated. The British did as well. In one notable case the victims were literally turned into fertilizer. Those caught escaping were shot at by American troops. Fortunately a few managed to get away to tell their stories. The Allies did screw Poland, not including the Soviets. And then of course there were the Soviets and Nazis.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:51:16 PM EDT
Another movie that obliquely had that massacre as part of the plot is Enigma.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 6:52:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By 96Ag:
So I guess the moral of the story is never surrender to a communist/socialist? Good thing to remember.


Poland was screwed by both sides.


By every side, including the British and French who threw Poland under the bus to avoid confrontation with Germany and Russia.


I was reading something by an Austrian and he was of the opinion that despite the destruction of the two world wars, the Allies should have while they had the chance gone against the Soviets, using the bomb if necessary since the Soviets did not have it yet. He saw his country (Austro-Hungarian Empire) destroyed and then fought over again (as Austria) but thought that things would have been better if the war had continued against the Soviets. In retrospect I think he was right. The toll was ultimately worse. Sadly, the American Left dominated politics and part of the military ranks and that majorly contributed to our policies.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:01:55 PM EDT
In April of 1940, Vasili Blokhin performed 300 executions per night. He engineered a deranged system in which the prisoners were individually led into a small chamber. The chamber was painted red and was known as the “Leninist room.” The room was specially designed with padded walls for soundproofing, a sloping concrete floor with a drain and hose, and a long wall for the prisoners to stand against. Vasili Blokhin was outfitted with a leather butcher’s apron, cap, and shoulder-length gloves to protect his uniform. He had no procurator present and did not read any death sentences to the victims. Over and over again, Blokhin pushed the prisoner against the wall and shot him once in the base of the skull with a German Walther Model 2 .25 ACP pistol.

The use of a German pocket pistol, which was commonly carried by Nazi intelligence agents, provided plausible deniability of the executions if the bodies were discovered later. Blokhin had his men escort prisoners to the basement, confirm identification, and then remove the bodies and hose down the blood after each execution. He was the primary executioner and, true to his reputation, liked to work continuously and rapidly without interruption. The executions were conducted at night, starting at dark and continuing until dawn. The bodies were continuously loaded on flat-bed trucks through a back door and buried in mass graves. Vasili Blokhin worked without pause for ten hours each night, executing an average of one prisoner every three minutes.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 7:04:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2011 1:11:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Happy_Camper:
Originally Posted By Veracity:
Originally Posted By ODA_564:
"Largely Jewish NKVD"? Not hardly. Jews were marginalized, discriminated against and ostracized in Soviet Russia. They weren't herded into death camps, but they weren't on Stalin's list of buddies.

Lots of anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.

Lots of anti-semitism in Poland (before, during and after WW2).

The Polish Home Army didn't aid the January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Rising and paid for it in spades when the Soviets held up their advance in August 1944 so that the Nazis could defeat the Home Army's own Warsaw Rising (the Soviets wanted to install their own puppet "Polish" communist government and so let the Nazis eliminate the home-grown Polish resistance that was loyal to the Polish Government-in-Exile in London).


I just Googled "NKVD and Jewish".

It turns out that 6 out of 10 high ranking NKVD officers were Jewish. Imagine that.


Hush. Jooz are sacred cows here.


Your slip is showing.
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