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Posted: 9/17/2009 4:26:09 PM EST
We are seeing the farmers in the San Joaquin Valley lose their livelyhoods over a pathetic little fish.

The "environmentalists" have somehow made it illegal for the farmers to water their lands/crops, and have turned-off the water.

These people have lost the will to fight, and are typical SHEEP...

JUST GO TURN THE FUCKING WATER BACK ON!
...By force if you have to.


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:27:50 PM EST
What? Any story on this?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:28:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGocka:
What? Any story on this?


Huh?

Link....story.......something.......anything?

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:30:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGocka:
What? Any story on this?


California's Man-Made Drought
The green war against San Joaquin Valley farmers.

California has a new endangered species on its hands in the San Joaquin Valley—farmers. Thanks to environmental regulations designed to protect the likes of the three-inch long delta smelt, one of America's premier agricultural regions is suffering in a drought made worse by federal regulations.

The state's water emergency is unfolding thanks to the latest mishandling of the Endangered Species Act. Last December, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued what is known as a "biological opinion" imposing water reductions on the San Joaquin Valley and environs to safeguard the federally protected hypomesus transpacificus, a.k.a., the delta smelt. As a result, tens of billions of gallons of water from mountains east and north of Sacramento have been channelled away from farmers and into the ocean, leaving hundreds of thousands of acres of arable land fallow or scorched.

For this, Californians can thank the usual environmental suspects, er, lawyers. Last year's government ruling was the result of a 2006 lawsuit filed by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other outfits objecting to increased water pumping in the smelt vicinity. In June, things got even dustier when the National Marine Fisheries Service concluded that local salmon and steelhead also needed to be defended from the valley's water pumps. Those additional restrictions will begin to effect pumping operations next year.

The result has already been devastating for the state's farm economy. In the inland areas affected by the court-ordered water restrictions, the jobless rate has hit 14.3%, with some farming towns like Mendota seeing unemployment numbers near 40%. Statewide, the rate reached 11.6% in July, higher than it has been in 30 years. In August, 50 mayors from the San Joaquin Valley signed a letter asking President Obama to observe the impact of the draconian water rules firsthand.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has said that he "doesn't have the authority to turn on the pumps" that would supply the delta with water, or "otherwise, they would be on." He did, however, have the ability to request intervention from the Department of Interior. Under a provision added to the Endangered Species Act in 1978 after the snail darter fiasco, a panel of seven cabinet officials known as a "God Squad" is able to intercede in economic emergencies, such as the one now parching California farmers. Despite a petition with more than 12,000 signers, Mr. Schwarzenegger has refused that remedy.

The issue now turns to the Obama Administration and the courts, though the farmers have so far found scant hope for relief from the White House. In June, the Administration denied the governor's request to designate California a federal disaster area as a result of the drought conditions, which U.S. Drought Monitor currently lists as a "severe drought" in 43% of the state. Doing so would force the Administration to acknowledge awkward questions about the role its own environmental policies have played in scorching the Earth.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574384731898375624.html
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:32:03 PM EST
Just further proof that California is at FULL-RETARD.

Time for tax-paying conservatives to leave.

Let it burn.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:13 PM EST
Hannity's Show tonight is all about this story...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:38 PM EST
I dont have the link or details.

But, in California the vast majority of certain areas of land are very productive farm land if they can get water. It turns out these areas of California are also nearly 100% republican.

Someone someplace has decided the farmers can no longer use water from (I can not remember the source), and vast areas of farm land are now going bad.

I dont have the numbers but it is pretty vast.

Its a purely political move like shutting down the republican controlled auto dealerships. Just bringing more hope and change!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:35:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:
I dont have the link or details.

But, in California the vast majority of certain areas of land are very productive farm land if they can get water. It turns out these areas of California are also nearly 100% republican.

Someone someplace has decided the farmers can no longer use water from (I can not remember the source), and vast areas of farm land are now going bad.

I dont have the numbers but it is pretty vast.

Its a purely political move like shutting down the republican controlled auto dealerships. Just bringing more hope and change!


Look up a few posts.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:36:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:
I dont have the link or details.

But, in California the vast majority of certain areas of land are very productive farm land if they can get water. It turns out these areas of California are also nearly 100% republican.

Someone someplace has decided the farmers can no longer use water from (I can not remember the source), and vast areas of farm land are now going bad.

I dont have the numbers but it is pretty vast.

Its a purely political move like shutting down the republican controlled auto dealerships. Just bringing more hope and change!


THIS is the kind of thing that the 2nd Amendment is designed for. Go down there, turn on the damn water and let the liberals try to stop you. Otherwise, we are going to have a very serious food shortage in this country.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:39:37 PM EST
Ah-nold should just turn the pumps on.

End of story.

Call up the National Guard to make sure they stay on if he has to.

Fuck obongo....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:39:45 PM EST
This is the goal of environmentalism to take away our farmers and food. They can't push socialism,Marxism or what ever version it is they want with the people full.


Lefties actually wanted to stop the green revolution because it fed the poor in a lot of place. And took away their chance to spread communism.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:40:57 PM EST
Either walk in there with guns and turn the water back on, or bail out of the state.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:48:32 PM EST
This is one of those really strange deals about the liberals.

Liberal/socialist really hate farmers and I dont know why. The fucking hippies think they can grow there own food.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:50:06 PM EST
I drive through there several times a week. Haven't noticed an irrigation problem. They still do flood irrigation.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:57:38 PM EST
So this little critter (Delta Smelt ) is more important than Agriculture and Jobs.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:01:13 PM EST
Didn't Paul Rodriquez have a farm full of illegals that was shut down over this.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:04:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:05:34 PM EST by stickfigure]
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
So this little critter (Delta Smelt ) is more important than Agriculture and Jobs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Hypomesus_transpacificus.jpg/800px-Hypomesus_transpacificus.jpg


I don't live in this area, but Hannity is on now talking about it. He had a guy on that explained that the Delta Smelt is a food source for the Pacific Salmon, who fisherman up in Northern California relie on for their lively hood.

Like I said I don't know the whole truth but, this guy was trying to make a point and Hannity was talking over him and had the crowd behind him drowning the guy out. Like the guy said, "Why don't you come up here and see how it is affecting these people as well."

Which he needs to do.

It isn't about just one little fish, as this fish is a food source for higher predators, one way or another.



Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:19:12 PM EST
I just drove through the area on I-5, in the past it was a green wonderland of agriculture, now its mile after mile of tumbleweeds, sad very sad.
Its a very real thing.

probably over 95% of the ag land is barren. Lots of signs that say "Congress created dustbowl"
I grew up in the San Jauquin Valley its not the same anymore.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:19:20 PM EST
They did the same thing here in the Klamath Valley years ago. They even had armed US Marshals guard the water so nobody would turn it on.

It is just more commie marxist bullshit disguised as enviormentalism. More watermelon bullshit idiots and city fuckheads lap up thinking they are saving the planet.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:22:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:23:11 PM EST by Yossarian]
Originally Posted By valheru21:
Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:
I dont have the link or details.

But, in California the vast majority of certain areas of land are very productive farm land if they can get water. It turns out these areas of California are also nearly 100% republican.

Someone someplace has decided the farmers can no longer use water from (I can not remember the source), and vast areas of farm land are now going bad.

I dont have the numbers but it is pretty vast.

Its a purely political move like shutting down the republican controlled auto dealerships. Just bringing more hope and change!


THIS is the kind of thing that the 2nd Amendment is designed for. Go down there, turn on the damn water and let the liberals try to stop you. Otherwise, we are going to have a very serious food shortage in this country.


This is the kind of thing Article 1 Section 8 was designed for. To put specific limitations on the Federal Government.Congress and the laws they make. ESA is unconstitutional and has caused a tremendous number of problems and made progress impossible in some areas.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:27:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By stickfigure:
I don't live in this area, but Hannity is on now talking about it. He had a guy on that explained that the Delta Smelt is a food source for the Pacific Salmon, who fisherman up in Northern California relie on for their lively hood.


It isn't about just one little fish, as this fish is a food source for higher predators, one way or another.




So breed them in fisheries and stock the rivers with them.

Doh!



Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:31:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:33:38 PM EST by Bobby_the_Hun]
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
So this little critter (Delta Smelt ) is more important than Agriculture and Jobs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Hypomesus_transpacificus.jpg/800px-Hypomesus_transpacificus.jpg


I don't live in this area, but Hannity is on now talking about it. He had a guy on that explained that the Delta Smelt is a food source for the Pacific Salmon, who fisherman up in Northern California relie on for their lively hood.

Like I said I don't know the whole truth but, this guy was trying to make a point and Hannity was talking over him and had the crowd behind him drowning the guy out. Like the guy said, "Why don't you come up here and see how it is affecting these people as well."

Which he needs to do.

It isn't about just one little fish, as this fish is a food source for higher predators, one way or another.





Here's some info. from 2005, Interesting.

Examining Our H2O
Rethinking the delta ecosystem –– What's killing the smelt?

B.J. Miller

Sunday, October 9, 2005

State and federal fishery managers are rightly concerned about the long-term viability of the delta smelt. This small fish, which lives in California's vast Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta, is listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. Recent surveys of the delta show a significant decline in the number of delta smelt to their lowest levels since the surveys began in 1959.

Some have suggested the decline in the abundance of delta smelt and other fish indicates an environmental crisis. On the other hand, some fish that rely on the delta –– most notably salmon and popular game fish such as large-mouth bass –– show healthy populations. Still, there is no doubt that we have a serious problem with some of these species, especially delta smelt, and are obligated to fix it as best we can.

For many years, state and federal water managers and advocates for the delta focused almost exclusively on water exports as a likely cause of environmental harm. Given the large volumes of delta water sent to San Joaquin Valley farms and communities in the Bay Area and Southern California, it was a reasonable focus. In the meantime, federal and state agencies collected a wealth of data on the delta and its aquatic life and much of this data went unanalyzed because of the focus on water exports to the San Joaquin Valley, South Bay and Southern California.

Recent analysis of that data reveals that water exports from the delta do not appear to affect the abundance of smelt much. To date, no credible scientific analysis has found any correlation –– either direct or indirect –– between how much water is exported and the numbers of these fish that survive to become productive adults. In some years, when a lot of water is exported, smelt do fine. In other years when exports are curtailed, smelt numbers plunge.

Several government agencies recently launched a $2 million study of the delta smelt problem. Although a significant portion remains focused on water exports, it is encouraging that other potential causes of the delta smelt's decline –– some that have never been seriously considered or examined –– are being studied as well. This broader scientific inquiry promises to reveal the real causes for the smelt's decline.

The delta smelt's environmental problems began long before the delta became the primary transit point for California's vast water-distribution system. During the last century, the delta smelt's primary food was the zooplankton Eurytemora, an alien organism probably introduced with the imported striped bass in the late 1800s. In 1986, the Asian clam, another alien species, was introduced into the delta. It promptly decimated the Eurytemora population. Fortunately for the smelt, another alien zooplankton called Pseudodiaptomus made an appearance in the delta about this time and, according to the California Department of Fish and Game, became the delta smelt's primary source of food.

Now, data from Fish and Game indicate that the population of Pseudodiaptomus is plunging. The ravenous Asian clam is a prime suspect in the rapid disappearance of Pseudodiaptomus, along with a nonnative, toxin-producing algae called Microcystis, probably introduced into the delta from home aquariums. Pesticides are another prime candidate.

I found a strong correlation between delta smelt abundance and the availability of Pseudodiaptomus, its primary food source. In years when there are a lot of Pseudodiaptomus in the same parts of the delta where young delta smelt congregate, a large number of the fish survive to adulthood. When there is a shortage of food, the numbers of delta smelt drop sharply. This good correlation between food and abundance is further supported by research from Bill Bennett, a professor of marine ecology from UC Davis. He discovered large numbers of delta smelt starving to death in the late summer and early fall.

The story of the delta smelt does not appear to be a story about exports of water south from the delta. Delta smelt fed on an alien zooplankton until an alien clam decimated that zooplankton. Then, smelt fed on a more recently introduced alien zooplankton that is now in sharp decline. The prime suspects in that decline are the same alien clam and an alien algae. The delta smelt story appears to be a story of aliens, not exports.

Whether we are witnessing the final chapter for the delta smelt may well depend on our ability to keep our minds open to what the science tells us, rather than focusing on our traditional beliefs and orthodoxy. If we insist on keeping our focus on water exports, when it appears they have little effect on the delta smelt, we may be doing a terrible injustice to science, to the environment and to California.

B.J. Miller (Ph.D., environmental engineering) is a consulting engineer who has conducted extensive research on the local bay-delta fishery. He is a former vice chairman of the California State Water Resources Control Board, was involved in the creation of the CalFed Bay-Delta Program and instrumental in the formation of the San Francisco Estuary Institute.


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:31:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By Yossarian:
Originally Posted By valheru21:
Originally Posted By RhinelandArms:
I dont have the link or details.

But, in California the vast majority of certain areas of land are very productive farm land if they can get water. It turns out these areas of California are also nearly 100% republican.

Someone someplace has decided the farmers can no longer use water from (I can not remember the source), and vast areas of farm land are now going bad.

I dont have the numbers but it is pretty vast.

Its a purely political move like shutting down the republican controlled auto dealerships. Just bringing more hope and change!


THIS is the kind of thing that the 2nd Amendment is designed for. Go down there, turn on the damn water and let the liberals try to stop you. Otherwise, we are going to have a very serious food shortage in this country.


This is the kind of thing Article 1 Section 8 was designed for. To put specific limitations on the Federal Government.Congress and the laws they make. ESA is unconstitutional and has caused a tremendous number of problems and made progress impossible in some areas.


I wholeheartedly agree with you... but, since the entirety of the Constitution proper has been disregarded in favor of Environmental extremism under the color of law... we have to start using the amendments to defend the document itself. We're still using the first. If one were to turn the water back on, they would need the second.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:32:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:34:41 PM EST
So if by chance the fish simply disappeared over a short period of time....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:35:45 PM EST
where's V when you need him....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:36:11 PM EST
Well all our produce will be coming from Mexico and beyond. Think if the icky things crop workers do in the field they raise the crops in. Well a least we won't need illegals to pick the crops Americans won't pick
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:39:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By thedave1164:
They couldn't fight now if they wanted too, they will run out of ammo quickly.


I guess they could import some mercenaries if they needed to !!! Just saying.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:40:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By valheru21:
....................
THIS is the kind of thing that the 2nd Amendment is designed for. Go down there, turn on the damn water and let the liberals try to stop you. Otherwise, we are going to have a very serious food shortage in this country.


There's always the Chicoms. We're getting a lot of our food from them now.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:41:06 PM EST
All that is not far from me. About 35 minutes North on I-5 you start seeing it. A lot of food comes from there: Oranges, lemons, tomatoes, onions, grapes, wine, dairy, strawberries, meat etc. Lots of conservative, gun lovin folk out there, too.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:43:10 PM EST
It would be a damn shame if the Agri business is destroyed by the rulings and the Delta Smelt dies off anyways, what will the fish huggers say then
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:43:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By anekrel:
All that is not far from me. About 35 minutes North on I-5 you start seeing it. A lot of food comes from there: Oranges, lemons, tomatoes, onions, grapes, wine, dairy, strawberries, meat etc. Lots of conservative, gun lovin folk out there, too.


They need to leave now. You all do.

Get out of there while you still can.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:46:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Originally Posted By anekrel:
All that is not far from me. About 35 minutes North on I-5 you start seeing it. A lot of food comes from there: Oranges, lemons, tomatoes, onions, grapes, wine, dairy, strawberries, meat etc. Lots of conservative, gun lovin folk out there, too.


They need to leave now. You all do.

Get out of there while you still can.


No, that is the coward's way out. California (the land) is far too precious to abandon to the fools on the left.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:52:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By valheru21:
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Originally Posted By anekrel:
All that is not far from me. About 35 minutes North on I-5 you start seeing it. A lot of food comes from there: Oranges, lemons, tomatoes, onions, grapes, wine, dairy, strawberries, meat etc. Lots of conservative, gun lovin folk out there, too.


They need to leave now. You all do.

Get out of there while you still can.


No, that is the coward's way out. California (the land) is far too precious to abandon to the fools on the left.


They don't want the land. They just don't want anyone else to have it.

This story is just further proof that California is lost. At some point, you have to get off the ship before it goes under.

Every productive tax-payer needs to leave California now. Let it burn, let it die. Go back in 50 years and rebuild, if it's not been annexed by Mexico by then.

I'm not just piling on California guys. I'm from there. Was born in Sacremento. My father was Airforce, and THANK GOD was transfered to TN when I was 5. I still have lots of family there, and went back every summer when I was growing up. They are planning their escape at this very moment.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:55:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:56:49 PM EST by Intune69]
Ya'll just wait 'til "Mama" Cass Sunstein gets his "regulatory" programs rolling. You ain't seen shit yet.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:04:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 6:05:27 PM EST by Seraph]
Originally Posted By Loki41872:...Every productive tax-payer needs to leave California now. Let it burn, let it die. Go back in 50 years and rebuild, if it's not been annexed by Mexico by then...


Hmmm...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:12:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By ehunter30:
I just drove through the area on I-5, in the past it was a green wonderland of agriculture, now its mile after mile of tumbleweeds, sad very sad.
Its a very real thing.

probably over 95% of the ag land is barren. Lots of signs that say "Congress created dustbowl"
I grew up in the San Jauquin Valley its not the same anymore.

I bet some BIG shopping malls pop up soon....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:23:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Just further proof that California is at FULL-RETARD.


Err, before you accuse California of going full-retard, you may want to know that this lack of water was caused by, I believe, the EPA and the ruling of a federal judge. California had no say in the matter.

The Governator is on record saying he would turn the water back on if he could.

And there is more to this matter than meets the eye. There is greed on many levels, including the farmers.

Water has been an issue in this state for 100 years. Turning desert lands into productive agriculture is not without risk. It takes a lot of water, far more than is needed in areas like the Mid-West.

Anyway, on one hand, you have the fishing industry, that is hurting right now due to limitations placed on fishing. They feel those little fish are food for the bigger fish, and they want to fish the bigger fish, so they'll do anything they can to ensure the viability of the little fish.

You have the Central Valley farmers, who need vast amounts of water to make that desert productive.

You have maybe 1 million residents in the Bay Area who depend on that water to drink. It's already swill, and the more they pump south, the crappier their water quality becomes.

California has had water wars for decades. This time, however, they did not do it to themselves. The FEDS are the problem.

I will fault California for one thing. They never build enough reservoirs. We have droughts on a regular basis. People cry and scream for a few years, vowing to build more reservoirs, but then the drought clears up and they forget. And when we do decide to build a new reservoir, some tree hugging fuck-nut sues and blocks it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:29:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By realwar:

Originally Posted By ehunter30:
I just drove through the area on I-5, in the past it was a green wonderland of agriculture, now its mile after mile of tumbleweeds, sad very sad.
Its a very real thing.

probably over 95% of the ag land is barren. Lots of signs that say "Congress created dustbowl"
I grew up in the San Jauquin Valley its not the same anymore.

I bet some BIG shopping malls pop up soon....

I doubt it.

Closer to where I live, you can see where they have chopped up old farm land to build housing complexes, gated communities, and strip malls but now most of that land is barren.

It's surreal, too. You get out toward the Kern River Canyon and there's this little gated community sitting right by the highway that is only partially completed. Of the houses that were finished, there are maybe a handful of people living there––the rest are empty. You can also see little squares of grass that have been paved around, but there's nothing there. It's like something out of SIMs 2.

Most of the malls around here at least, are drying up. I live well within the Bakersfield city limits, and the mall just up the street from me in a really nice, "ritzy" area is pretty much empty store fronts and barren parking lots.

Up toward Visalia (which for those that don't know is about half way between Bakersfield and Fresno), they apparently have it far worse economically than we do, which is awful since Bakersfield is pretty bad.

The only place I see those dried up farms going is becoming just empty desert.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 6:29:26 PM EST


AGENDA 21 Sustainable Development

My Take
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 7:30:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By Loki41872:


I'm not just piling on California guys. I'm from there. Was born in Sacremento. My father was Airforce, and THANK GOD was transfered to TN when I was 5. I still have lots of family there, and went back every summer when I was growing up. They are planning their escape at this very moment.


Hell I was born and raised there, lived there 25 years. PRK is a LOST cause. Jump ship, let it go full commie, and burn in flames.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 8:31:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By realwar:

Originally Posted By ehunter30:
I just drove through the area on I-5, in the past it was a green wonderland of agriculture, now its mile after mile of tumbleweeds, sad very sad.
Its a very real thing.

probably over 95% of the ag land is barren. Lots of signs that say "Congress created dustbowl"
I grew up in the San Jauquin Valley its not the same anymore.

I bet some BIG shopping malls pop up soon....


Haha, you must not have been in CA since the recession started. Believe me there is NO construction, new business, jobs, hope, future, money, etc. Building a huge shopping mall would result in it becoming a huge abandoned structure extremely fast.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 8:36:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 8:37:38 PM EST by fiver]
GIVE THOSE PEOPLE AIR WATER!

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 8:57:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 8:58:32 PM EST by Greenhorn]

For this, Californians can thank the usual environmental suspects, er, lawyers. Last year's government ruling was the result of a 2006 lawsuit filed by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other outfits objecting to increased water pumping in the smelt vicinity. In June, things got even dustier when the National Marine Fisheries Service concluded that local salmon and steelhead also needed to be defended from the valley's water pumps. Those additional restrictions will begin to effect pumping operations next year.


You cannot EFFECT something, just like you cannot PAIN something. "Effect" is a noun. "Affect" is a verb. You can AFFECT something.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:08:47 PM EST
So fucking fucked on so many levels. These nitwits put American business on the chopping block for the sake of saving the environment, and then we turn around and buy the same products, albeit of lower quality, from countries like china whose regulations are loosely enforced/non existent.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:17:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

For this, Californians can thank the usual environmental suspects, er, lawyers. Last year's government ruling was the result of a 2006 lawsuit filed by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other outfits objecting to increased water pumping in the smelt vicinity. In June, things got even dustier when the National Marine Fisheries Service concluded that local salmon and steelhead also needed to be defended from the valley's water pumps. Those additional restrictions will begin to effect pumping operations next year.


You cannot EFFECT something, just like you cannot PAIN something. "Effect" is a noun. "Affect" is a verb. You can AFFECT something.



Affect vs. Effect Grammar Rules



Knowing when to use affect or effect in a sentence can be a challenge. These words are examples of homonyms. Homonyms are words that similar, but have very different meanings. Other examples of homonyms are two/to/too, accept/except, and there/their/they're.

Affect

In order to understand the correct situation in which to use the word affect or effect, the first thing one must do is have a clear understanding of what each word means. According to yourDictionary.com, the word Affect means:

  1. To have an influence on or effect a change in: Inflation affects the buying power of the dollar.
  2. To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
  3. To attack or infect, as a disease: Rheumatic fever can affect the heart.

Effect

The word effect has a different meaning. Here is the meaning according to yourDictionary.com:

  1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
  2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no effect on the trade imbalance.
  3. A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect. |
  4. Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the jury.
  5. The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation that goes into effect tomorrow.

  6. Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of the drama.
  7. A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of spaciousness.
  8. Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just for effect.
  9. The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried, or words to that effect.

Grammar Rules for Affect and Effect

Now that we have the two definitions, how do we know which word to use? Here are a few suggestions to keep in mind:

1. If you are talking about a result, then use the word "effect."

  • Example: What effect did the loss have on the team?
2. It is appropriate to use the word "effect" if one of these words is used immediately before the word: into, no, take, the, any, an, or and.

  • Example: The prescribed medication had no effect on the patient's symptoms.
  • Example: In analyzing a situation, it is important to take the concepts of cause and effect into consideration.
3. If you want to describe something that was caused or brought about, the right word to use is effect.

  • Example: The new manager effected some positive changes in the office. (This means that the new manager caused some positive changes to take place in the office.)
4. Affect can be used as a noun to describe facial expression.

  • Example: The young man with schizophrenia had a flat affect.
  • Example: The woman took the news of her husband's sudden death with little affect.
5. Affect can also be used as a verb. Use it when trying to describe influencing someone or something rather than causing it.

  • Example: How does the crime rate affect hiring levels by local police forces?
  • Example: The weather conditions will affect the number of people who come to the county fair this year.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:32:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By valheru21:
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Originally Posted By anekrel:
All that is not far from me. About 35 minutes North on I-5 you start seeing it. A lot of food comes from there: Oranges, lemons, tomatoes, onions, grapes, wine, dairy, strawberries, meat etc. Lots of conservative, gun lovin folk out there, too.


They need to leave now. You all do.

Get out of there while you still can.


No, that is the coward's way out. California (the land) is far too precious to abandon to the fools on the left.
Do you think only cowards got on the Titanic's life boats?
At some point you need to save your family.
Let the Green Day play on while the Leftist fools sink!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:32:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Just further proof that California is at FULL-RETARD.

Time for tax-paying conservatives to leave.

Let it burn.


yup!!! agreed here. any conservative person with half a brain would move to another patriotic constitutional law abiding state. cause FUCKING CRAZIFORNIA is just plain off the crazywagon fucked up!!! FUCKING LIBTARDS EVENTUALLY FUCK EVERYTHING UP THEY TOUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh and, FUCK CRAZIFORNIA!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:36:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By JohnnyP:
So if by chance the fish simply disappeared over a short period of time....


No joke.


Someone needs to genocide that fish, right fucking now.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:56:41 PM EST
Some people seem to be missing the point. This is not about Ag jobs… It not about the river smelt... It’s about how to control people! California Central Valley has the ability to produce food for a good part of the USA. I can’t remember the number but I believe it was like 46% of all food produced/grown in the USA came out the Central Valley. Of course you need water to grow this food… No water no food.


So what do you think will happen if they cut the food production?

Next time you are in the grocery store look at where your food is grown. I have seen lots from China, Vietnam, Mexico, and Canada and less and less from California and the USA. They are shipping food production over seas. What a way to destroy a country… and a way to control people.


If you want to control a business you control the flow of money. Businesses need money to run.

If you want to control people you control the food. People need food to live.


This is not going to stop and is only going to get worse. We are shooting ourselves in the foot and will be nothing (as a country) soon. This is a very sad moment of time and they powers to be are killing the USA. Don’t look at anybody in office to change this
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 9:57:04 PM EST
It brings me no pleasure in saying this, but those of you blamming this on California need to pull your heads out of your asses. This was action by the federal government via federal court by eniviro-statists. These same groups have come to Utah (reddest state in the nation) to play smilar tricks.

I will conceed that the politics of CA are most often to blame, but this time it's the feds and it could happen anywhere. IOW there's no place to run from this.

Civics, brush up on it.
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