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Posted: 9/7/2004 7:57:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2004 7:57:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2004 7:58:10 AM EDT
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Remember the important part "For the rest of us". There would, without a doubt be an 'important person' exemption.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 7:58:31 AM EDT
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Kerry is a -
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:00:23 AM EDT
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That semi does not have a pistol grip. No story here...
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:02:26 AM EDT
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That 1100 he's holding does have a piostol grip, just not the "Protruding" pistol grip like an AR. It has a pistol grip like a Marlin 336 or Remington 870.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:02:27 AM EDT
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LOL - pistol grip!
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:02:27 AM EDT
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Another 'Poindexter' photo op!
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:03:04 AM EDT
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But it is still a semi-automatic shotgun. The question can now be asked: Senator Kerry, how much more lethal would that weapon be if it had a pistol grip on it? |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:03:49 AM EDT
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Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:04:26 AM EDT
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+1 XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEPT 07, 2004 11:46:05 ET XXXXX KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry was seen this weekend touting a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law! Kerry co-sponsored S. 1431 last year (“The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003) which would have banned a "semiautomatic shotgun that has a pistol grip.” Kerry was presented with the gun during a Labor Day stop in Racine, West Virginia. "I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me," Kerry told a cheering crowd as he held up the device. Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the semiautomatic shotgun's pistol grip. Kerry's bill would ban millions of semi-automatics, including those with "pistol grips." [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii)] Opponents of the bill successfully argued that nearly all guns have "pistol grips," inluding millions of Browning Auto-5 shotguns produced since 1903. Developing... that shotgun doesnt have a pistol grip |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:05:17 AM EDT
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But you know that he would WANT to ban it. There will be some political points to be made here.
...I'm sure there is some legislation that Kerry has voted on that would ban an autoloader, just not the '94 law... |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:08:32 AM EDT
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I beg to differ it has a pistol grip, just not one "a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:13:38 AM EDT
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"That depends on what the definition of "pistol grip" is"
It looks like a pistol grip to me. If you hacked off the rest of the stock right behind where he is holding in the photo, what would you call it? |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:14:56 AM EDT
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Exactly. If it's not a "straight grip" ala 1895 Marlin (most of them) it's a pistol grip..i.e. curved. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:16:32 AM EDT
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Damn you with your definitions! The gun he holds is exempt from regulations, you are correct sir. 
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:16:58 AM EDT
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Cute. 
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:17:10 AM EDT
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Kerry----he should get a spot on "Jackass" |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:19:24 AM EDT
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It has a pistol grip as defined in the bill he co-sponsored.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:19:37 AM EDT
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Whether or not it has a pistol grip is academic since S.1431 also bans:
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L). `(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'. Even without a pistol grip, John Kerry's shotgun meets both of the above. Kerry is a guy who voted to kill CMP. If he doesn't trust you with Garands and 1903s, he isn't going to trust you with a duck gun either. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:24:20 AM EDT
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Much more lethal, the pistol grip is so you can spray fire from the hip and kill and maim and destroy the world. And was Kerry suggesting that he would like to take a shotgun to his debates with President Bush? Where is the press on THAT one? |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:24:24 AM EDT
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Cool, so when does the NRA radio ad hammering him for his hypocracy come out?
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:26:38 AM EDT
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Unfortunately this little dog and pony show may influence a few (uninformed) fence sitters that he is pro-gun.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:29:34 AM EDT
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Isn't that grounds for arrest/interrogation? BTW, I've always felt that a non-protruding grip was more comfortable to hold at the hip. The 'conspicuous' pistol grip is only comfortable firing from the shoulder. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:29:53 AM EDT
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Some examples from the CMP website:
 1903 stock with pistol grip  1903 stock without pistol grip So technically, his shotgun has a "pistol grip" under the traditional definition, but it is not what is considered a pistol grip today by the ATF. And we all know how easily the ATF can change its definition. Kharn |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:30:19 AM EDT
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Because his campaign finally realized that if he's going to play 'Hunter', he should be seen with a gun people actually hunt with... Not some $12000 Itallian mantlehanger... |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:30:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:31:35 AM EDT
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Perhaps one of the people on this forum who were thinking of voting for him, could present him a gift of an AR type rifle? Lets see if he holds that gift up for the crowd? The Real JFK owned one, why not the immitation?
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:32:03 AM EDT
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This needs to get airtime, this is huge. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:34:54 AM EDT
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He's an elitist and doesn't want us to own firearms. He thinks he is privliged and has the right but we common folk don't.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 8:36:32 AM EDT
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Here's the reason:
Gee, I wonder if the duckhunters might need to wake up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:00:44 AM EDT
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He's looking at that thing and thinking, "That looks just like the assault shotgun I used to kill that vietnamese woman when I shot her in the back. Got my 8th silver star for that one." |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:03:50 AM EDT
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NRA is staying out of the race untill the AWB dies. It has been noted that they will decide weather or not to endorse GWB again based on this issue. McCain/Feingold may have something to do with it too... |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:10:27 AM EDT
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The NRA is exempt from McCain/Fiengold as they are now defined as a news outlet.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:24:27 AM EDT
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a double barrel shotgun is all anyone really needs...
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:43:56 AM EDT
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Oh my bad I thought it was about "Piss All" grips.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:49:16 AM EDT
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But Kerry co-sponserd legislation that would have considered that as a shotgun with a pistol grip. Read the article on Drudge, the defination for pistol grip was so vague that almost anything could be considered as a pistol grip. The article even mentions how the Browning Auto-5 would have fell in that piece of legislation |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:52:31 AM EDT
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That's it! I'm not voting for Kerry now!
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:55:15 AM EDT
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Stop confusing everyone with facts.  
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:55:30 AM EDT
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Y'all are missing two important parts of that story. www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm
1) But Kerry's gun bill would have also banned any "gift" transaction! 2) [It is not clear if Kerry completed the required paperwork (Form 4473) before he claimed the gun.] |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:57:35 AM EDT
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Apparently, someone's Lexis account is getting a workout....... 
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Posted: 9/7/2004 9:57:39 AM EDT
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+1 I prefer pistol grip stocks on rifles. Traditionally, what Kharn posted is an example of a straight and a pistol grip rifle stock. |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:09:15 AM EDT
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So does that mean they can now run ads on ANY station, or only their own? |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:13:34 AM EDT
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As I understand it, any station or outlet.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:17:14 AM EDT
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Good. When I saw all their talk about starting their own media outlet, I was a bit concerned as I thought they would only be able to run ads etc. on THEIR OWN outlets. Deffinately not the same as ANY outlet. I thought they seemed to be getting a little over-excited about their own outlet which would have no where near the reach of ads on major outlets.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:21:43 AM EDT
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he's a PRICK.
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:25:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2004 10:32:11 AM EDT
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He's not a SPORTSMAN!!!!
 CHRIS |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 11:17:03 AM EDT
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Arfcom: a virtually unlimited resource, staffed by guys with guns. What's not to like? |
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Posted: 9/7/2004 11:28:05 AM EDT
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A F L A C! |
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