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Posted: 12/23/2005 9:34:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 10:11:15 AM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:38:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 9:41:21 AM EST by bulldog1967]
Great review sir, thanks!

Where did you buy it and approximately how much $$$?

I wonder how much it would be in this config:



Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:39:21 AM EST
thanks for the report, BS
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:47:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
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...the second magazine <usgi 30rnd> began to have problems with 8 rounds not chmabering properly. i inormally only neck size my reloads and a quick inspection revealed this was the problem as this pistol appears to have a bit tighter chamber than my ar15's. Switching to factory ammo solved the problem. The next 250 rounds rand fine with zero failures.



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What are you doing only neck sizing rounds that are going into a semi-auto? Handloads that are intended to be used in a semi-auto gun should ALWAYS be full-length resized.

Really, neck-sizing rounds is for a bolt gun - the same bolt gun.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:49:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:50:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:14:21 AM EST
Would this weapon be considered a pistol if pulled over by johnny law?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:21:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
retail here is around 420.00

keltec is supposed to have the forgrips, break, and sling adapter out in january. I also saw a report wher they will be shipping some fully loaded with all the accesories included later this year.



Stink on shit.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:26:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:27:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
retail here is around 420.00

keltec is supposed to have the forgrips, break, and sling adapter out in january. I also saw a report wher they will be shipping some fully loaded with all the accesories included later this year.



Stink on shit.



thanks for that deep thought



I was afraid that came out wrong.

What I meant is if they sell them with all the accessories already attached, I'm on it "like stink on shit".

Oh yes, it will be mine.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 10:30:56 AM EST
Thanks for the review! It seems like it could be a fun thing to have.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:00:18 AM EST
I wonder how much a IWB holster would be for that

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:10:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By nightowl7:
Would this weapon be considered a pistol if pulled over by johnny law?



It is a pistol, by design & by legal definition. Whether "Johnny Law" (or , here, "Bubba Law") would "consider" it a pistol or not may be another matter entirely...

IOW, rap, ride, you know the drill.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:12:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 11:12:29 AM EST by HardShell]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
... Overall i am happy and impressed with it...



I guess that means I won't get the chance to trade you out of it, then?...

(Thanks for the range report BTW.)
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:26:06 AM EST
Hmmm, I'll have to get me one of those.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:27:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:30:53 AM EST
There should be a rule about posts that include "Range Report" in the title. I keep clicking on them, and they're all about some guy taking stupid new gun somewhere and shooting it. Big whoop.

I know a Range Report. I've read a Range Report. This, Sir, is no "Range Report!"

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:01:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
There should be a rule about posts that include "Range Report" in the title. I keep clicking on them, and they're all about some guy taking stupid new gun somewhere and shooting it. Big whoop.

I know a Range Report. I've read a Range Report. This, Sir, is no "Range Report!"






Yeah! What he said!
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:07:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
There should be a rule about posts that include "Range Report" in the title. I keep clicking on them, and they're all about some guy taking stupid new gun somewhere and shooting it. Big whoop.

I know a Range Report. I've read a Range Report. This, Sir, is no "Range Report!"




Are you any relation to Dweezil Benz ?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:12:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 1:15:31 PM EST by jrzy]

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Great review sir, thanks!

Where did you buy it and approximately how much $$$?

I wonder how much it would be in this config:

www.kel-tec.com/images/plr_forend_sling_scope_wt.jpg


Me too!
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:20:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:32:53 PM EST
Thanks for the review, looks interesting.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:43:27 PM EST
Neat. If I find one in stock at that price, it'll be going home with me..


Link Posted: 12/23/2005 2:08:33 PM EST
I want one. Might be enough motivation to actually apply for Suffolk County's lame ass permit to own for a pistol.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 2:12:47 PM EST
Every Kel-Tec i've ever ran into was a piece of shit, no thanks.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 3:15:32 PM EST
Thats cool. I'm defiantely thinking about picking one up.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 3:18:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Every Kel-Tec i've ever ran into was a piece of shit, no thanks.



Did you actually shoot them, or just run into them?
Can we have some details on why and what, please?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 3:26:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Every Kel-Tec i've ever ran into was a piece of shit, no thanks.



A first heard for me. Most of the ones I've run into seem to work just fine.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:23:26 PM EST
I can't believe no one has yet asked what the best self defense round would be for such a pistol.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 6:06:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Every Kel-Tec i've ever ran into was a piece of shit, no thanks.



What did you run into it with?

One time, I saw this guy at the range shooting a KelTec P-3AT just like the one I have, except his had one after the other FTEs and FTFs. I thought he got one of those 'lemons' I periodically read about having FTF & FTE problems. I asked him if I could take a few shots with it and no problem. Then he took some shots and the problems came back. Then I took some and no problems. Guess what the problem was?

Limp wrist.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:32:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By TomF32:
I want one. Might be enough motivation to actually apply for Suffolk County's lame ass permit to own for a pistol.



Sorry bud, that there is a baby-killing assault pistol here in our fair state:

(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:02:10 PM EST
Thanks for the report. I was wondering whether I needed one of those. Now I know.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:09:25 PM EST
The forward grip makes all the difference for apperance, you might have to get one.
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:10:33 PM EST
Thanks for the report Beer Slayer. Looking forward to the next update.

Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:26:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/5/2006 7:27:57 PM EST by JohnTheTexican]

Originally Posted By Chaingun:
The forward grip makes all the difference for apperance, you might have to get one.



Wouldn't a foreward grip make it an AOW?
Or did they change their mind about that?


ETA: Or is that what they call the handguards?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 7:30:48 PM EST
a second pistol grip is a nono

the horizontal handguard seems to be A-ok
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:24:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:35:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:


must...resist...look...AWAY!!!

all the kel-tec's i've run into have been fine. owners seem to love 'em (yes, i are one!). i have the p380 and although accuracy is shit, if you're within 5 yards, you be a dead mutha! so far performance and reliability have been flawless!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 4:58:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
soon as i get paid the handguard is on order. so far it's been to the range twice and i like it more everytime i shoot it.



How much is the handguard?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:07:00 AM EST
Aw crap! Great....just great. One more thing to add to my "must have" list.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:08:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:23:56 AM EST
who is carrying these?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:26:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:36:44 AM EST
cool, think i will give my a call when i get off tonite
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:39:32 AM EST
I'm glad to hear it works as advertised.

Now, if someone could just convince me they are good for something ("fun" doesn't count), I will also be all over one like stink on shit.

Home defense?

Trunk gun?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:48:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
I'm glad to hear it works as advertised.

Now, if someone could just convince me they are good for something ("fun" doesn't count), I will also be all over one like stink on shit.

Home defense?

Trunk gun?



Think of it as a FiveseveN on steroids.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 5:56:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:52:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheSneak:

Originally Posted By TomF32:
I want one. Might be enough motivation to actually apply for Suffolk County's lame ass permit to own for a pistol.



Sorry bud, that there is a baby-killing assault pistol here in our fair state:

(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;



Oh, but it's so close ;) I wonder if permanently attaching a thread protector or grinding off the threads would get rid of one of the evil features. Then it would just be the weight that causes the problem. The thing is only 1 ounce over. You could easily find that amount of weight and eliminate it somewhere, but I suppose the "manufactured weight" statement precludes drilling holes in the thing. I wonder if Kel-tec would make one a hair lighter without the threads. They seem to have a history of accomodating the ban states with the SU-16 series.

Mike
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:17:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
... "fun" doesn't count...



Since when?...
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 10:08:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:13:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
... "fun" doesn't count...



Since when?...



My Internal Firearm Purchase Rationalization Engine requires one other quality aside from "fun". Otherwise I get an "Reason not found: abort, retry, fail?" error when I open my wallet.



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