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Posted: 5/16/2012 5:36:15 AM EST






ETA: Replaced SS with one showing the 'hate crime' article underneath. Irony?
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:37:58 AM EST
[#1]
Did you also see the Feds are talking about moving forward with a hate crime prosecution? The stupid about this case has momentum that has yet to be overcome.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:37:59 AM EST
[#2]
And these facts come out on the same day as:

FBI may charge George Zimmerman with hate crime


Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:40:30 AM EST
[#3]
Yea... F'd up justice system...
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:44:19 AM EST
[#4]
Quoted:
And these facts come out on the same day as:

FBI may charge George Zimmerman with hate crime




Stupid article. FBI does not bring charges. That is the role of the AG.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:45:21 AM EST
[#5]



Quoted:


And these facts come out on the same day as:



FBI may charge George Zimmerman with hate crime







...with possible death penalty.

 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:45:34 AM EST
[#6]
Fuck Barry. Fuck Eric.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:52:14 AM EST
[#7]
Quoted:
Yea... F'd up justice system...


LEGAL system. not "justice system"...

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:53:28 AM EST
[#8]
Quoted:
Fuck Barry. Fuck Eric.


Barrick?
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:01:29 AM EST
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Fuck Barry. Fuck Eric.


Barrick?


He hasnt even been hit with the civil rights violation charges and the lawsuits.



Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:02:46 AM EST
[#10]
said it from the gitgo..

charge him with murder 2, put pressure on him and allow him to plead down to manslaughter with some time to serve in a less than maximum security prison where he would be turned out in genpop and someone would make their bones with his death.

a threat of a federal charge of a hate crime with a possible death sentence might be a tactic for making this happen. though i think they wouldnt be able to make it stick. but if he decides to fight it, the trial lasts past the nov elections.

they want this on the back burner for political reasons.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:04:14 AM EST
[#11]
Quoted:
Fuck Barry. Fuck Eric.


Exactly! Holder's JustUs dept has too much power.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:06:02 AM EST
[#12]
it was a good shoot, but since Obama thinks zimmerman is white he wants to crucify him like his EPA does to oil companies
 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:14:28 AM EST
[#13]
It sounds like Z tried to take out TM's fists with his face before he decided to go ahead and shoot him.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:17:52 AM EST
[#14]
They could claim this scenario:



- Whitey attacked Skittles

- Skittles fought back gallantly for his life, breaking whitey's nose and bashing in his head

- Whitey got pissed and shot Skittles


 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:49:05 PM EST
[#15]
Quoted:
They could claim this scenario:

- Whitey attacked Skittles
- Skittles fought back gallantly for his life, breaking whitey's nose and bashing in his head
- Whitey got pissed and shot Skittles
 


Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:58:40 PM EST
[#16]
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:03:49 PM EST
[#17]
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.


He confronted him?  How do you know this?

ETA: If someone is in MY neighborhood that is acting strange, I will ask them if they need any help.  I can ask whatever I want.  George Zimmerman had every right to watch the guy and follow him if the guy was acting strange.  I'll be that little punk Trayvon was casing apartments.  How do I know?  I don't.  Neither do you.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:04:33 PM EST
[#18]
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.



People call it a good shoot because absolutely nothing you said makes it a bad shoot.

Leaving his car was not against the law.  He had every right to see what was going on.  He had every right to approach Martin and talk to him.  He didn't "confront him for no reason."
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:07:19 PM EST
[#19]
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.


My understanding is that he did NOT confront Trayvon. In fact, if you listen to the 911 call by Zimmerman, he states that he lost Trayvon. The 'kid' actually got away and was NOT being followed anymore, then he chose to come back out of nowhere and attack Zimmerman.

It's sad on both sides of the fence. I think Zimmerman was an idiot and should have stayed in the damn car until police arrived. However, him getting out and following Trayvon was well within his legal rights. Trayvon attacking him after having already 'escaped' *was* a violation of the law, and put Zimmerman in a defensive position. Because of that, the shoot was justified. In short, had Zimmerman not gotten out of the car, this wouldn't have happened. Conversely, had Trayvon not attacked him, this wouldn't have happened. Both are at fault IMO, however, legally, still a good shoot.

What gets me is this. What business does the .gov have looking for a hate crime charge? Especially when the evidence that has come out in court shows that TRAYVON was in the attacking position, NOT Zimmerman.

My $.02 :o
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:07:55 PM EST
[#20]
Race riots will over shadow the election
 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:09:51 PM EST
[#21]
Ok, so you're saying he didn't confront him?  He made the call to the police from his car.  The Trayvon must have pulled him from the car, out to the sidewalk and began beating him, prompting Zimmerman to shoot him in self defense?

Just by Zimmerman getting out of his car and even if he politely asked Trayvon what he was doing in the neighborhood, Zimmerman was wrong.  He had already called the cops, he should have stayed in the car.  He could have even shadowed the kid if he wanted to, but by getting out of the car, he was wrong, and it all went south from there.

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:10:18 PM EST
[#22]
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.


That's not the way it's playing out, as I understand.  Zimmerman seems to have broken off the situation then Trayvon circled back and confronted.  Either way, there's a really big thread on this, so this type of discussion should be carried on there.

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:11:20 PM EST
[#23]



Quoted:


Yea... F'd up justice system...


It's not a justice system, it's a legal system.



 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:14:01 PM EST
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.


My understanding is that he did NOT confront Trayvon. In fact, if you listen to the 911 call by Zimmerman, he states that he lost Trayvon. The 'kid' actually got away and was NOT being followed anymore, then he chose to come back out of nowhere and attack Zimmerman.

It's sad on both sides of the fence. I think Zimmerman was an idiot and should have stayed in the damn car until police arrived. However, him getting out and following Trayvon was well within his legal rights. Trayvon attacking him after having already 'escaped' *was* a violation of the law, and put Zimmerman in a defensive position. Because of that, the shoot was justified. In short, had Zimmerman not gotten out of the car, this wouldn't have happened. Conversely, had Trayvon not attacked him, this wouldn't have happened. Both are at fault IMO, however, legally, still a good shoot.

What gets me is this. What business does the .gov have looking for a hate crime charge? Especially when the evidence that has come out in court shows that TRAYVON was in the attacking position, NOT Zimmerman.

My $.02 :o


and my $0.02. Innocent until proven guilty. NOONE knows all the facts and details, so all the speculation is pretty frivolous.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:14:44 PM EST
[#25]
He did confront him for no reason.  Put yourself in the shoes of Trayvon.  You are walking in an area it is completely ok for you to be in.  You see a car in it with some guy watching you closely.  You decides to run, you don't know the guy or know what is going on.  The guy from the car catches you.  What do you do?  Roll over and ask him nicely to stop chasing you?  

This all comes down to poor choices by Zimmerman.  It will be an over riding factor in his trial.  He should have stayed in the car.  Once he got out, he became the aggressor.

OK, I'll stop.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:17:10 PM EST
[#26]
Hey bud, GZ says Trayvon confronted him with fists.  What is wrong with someone asking someone a question out of the blue?  What retarded logic do you ascribe to?  By getting out of his car he was wrong?  REALLY?  

My bet is this:  GZ saw the dude acting strange.  Because of break ins in HIS community, he took notice.  He followed the guy.  The 911 operator said, "we don't need you to do that."  BTW, someone telling someone on the phone "we don't need you to do that" does not equal a lawful order.  Do you remember the operator telling the poor woman in her home 'don't shoot that intruder' only to be murdered by that intruder???????   A 911 operator can't tell someone to not follow someone.



Quoted:
Ok, so you're saying he didn't confront him?  He made the call to the police from his car.  The Trayvon must have pulled him from the car, out to the sidewalk and began beating him, prompting Zimmerman to shoot him in self defense?

Just by Zimmerman getting out of his car and even if he politely asked Trayvon what he was doing in the neighborhood, Zimmerman was wrong.  He had already called the cops, he should have stayed in the car.  He could have even shadowed the kid if he wanted to, but by getting out of the car, he was wrong, and it all went south from there.



Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:17:14 PM EST
[#27]
If Zimmerman were full black we would have never heard about this. His great grandmother was black.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:18:51 PM EST
[#28]
Quoted:
He did confront him for no reason.  Put yourself in the shoes of Trayvon.  You are walking in an area it is completely ok for you to be in.  You see a car in it with some guy watching you closely.  You decides to run, you don't know the guy or know what is going on.  The guy from the car catches you.  What do you do?  Roll over and ask him nicely to stop chasing you?  

This all comes down to poor choices by Zimmerman.  It will be an over riding factor in his trial.  He should have stayed in the car.  Once he got out, he became the aggressor.

OK, I'll stop.


How do you KNOW GZ confronted TM for NO REASON?  How do you KNOW that?  You are speculating.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:24:59 PM EST
[#29]
Quoted:
Ok, so you're saying he didn't confront him?  He made the call to the police from his car.  The Trayvon must have pulled him from the car, out to the sidewalk and began beating him, prompting Zimmerman to shoot him in self defense?

Just by Zimmerman getting out of his car and even if he politely asked Trayvon what he was doing in the neighborhood, Zimmerman was wrong.  He had already called the cops, he should have stayed in the car.  He could have even shadowed the kid if he wanted to, but by getting out of the car, he was wrong, and it all went south from there.



Wrong =! Illegal.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:25:11 PM EST
[#30]
Quoted:
He did confront him for no reason.  Put yourself in the shoes of Trayvon.  You are walking in an area it is completely ok for you to be in.  You see a car in it with some guy watching you closely.  You decides to run, you don't know the guy or know what is going on.  The guy from the car catches you.  What do you do?  Roll over and ask him nicely to stop chasing you?  

This all comes down to poor choices by Zimmerman.  It will be an over riding factor in his trial.  He should have stayed in the car.  Once he got out, he became the aggressor.

OK, I'll stop.


Old, overweight Zimmerman ran after and caught young, football player Trayvon?
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:25:46 PM EST
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't know why people call this a good shoot.  Zimmerman should have never left his car.  Once he left his car, AFTER he called police, he escalated the situation.  He may have been getting his ass beat when he shot the kid, but by confronting him for no reason he fucked up, plain and simple.


My understanding is that he did NOT confront Trayvon. In fact, if you listen to the 911 call by Zimmerman, he states that he lost Trayvon. The 'kid' actually got away and was NOT being followed anymore, then he chose to come back out of nowhere and attack Zimmerman.

It's sad on both sides of the fence. I think Zimmerman was an idiot and should have stayed in the damn car until police arrived. However, him getting out and following Trayvon was well within his legal rights. Trayvon attacking him after having already 'escaped' *was* a violation of the law, and put Zimmerman in a defensive position. Because of that, the shoot was justified. In short, had Zimmerman not gotten out of the car, this wouldn't have happened. Conversely, had Trayvon not attacked him, this wouldn't have happened. Both are at fault IMO, however, legally, still a good shoot.

What gets me is this. What business does the .gov have looking for a hate crime charge? Especially when the evidence that has come out in court shows that TRAYVON was in the attacking position, NOT Zimmerman.

My $.02 :o


and my $0.02. Innocent until proven guilty. NOONE knows all the facts and details, so all the speculation is pretty frivolous.


Agreed, for the most part. Which is what I have been saying all along, at least until more facts came to light.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:30:11 PM EST
[#32]



Quoted:


Did you also see the Feds are talking about moving forward with a hate crime prosecution? The stupid about this case has momentum that has yet to be overcome.


Then the jury returns "Not Guilty" verdict.



 
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 7:34:00 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted:
He did confront him for no reason.  Put yourself in the shoes of Trayvon.  You are walking in an area it is completely ok for you to be in.  You see a car in it with some guy watching you closely.  You decides to run, you don't know the guy or know what is going on.  The guy from the car catches you.  What do you do?  Roll over and ask him nicely to stop chasing you?  

This all comes down to poor choices by Zimmerman.  It will be an over riding factor in his trial.  He should have stayed in the car.  Once he got out, he became the aggressor.

OK, I'll stop.


You're ... special.

Asking someone what they're doing does not make the person an "aggressor".  You and those who are trying desperately to make Martin look like a victim are using deeply flawed and twisted definitions of Zimmerman's actions.  There's nothing illegal about what we know of Zimmerman's actions.  He was under ZERO obligation legally, or otherwise, to follow the dispatcher's instructions.  The question about whether this was a legal shoot, or not, comes down to establishing who initiated the PHYSICAL altercation. That is what determines who was the aggressor.  Not the act of questioning Martin, not the action of following Martin.
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