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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:12:46 PM EDT
[#1]
No, he's full of shit.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:13:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Tag. Not sure.
+1 I have never had probs w/this before, either, but would like to be sure. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:14:09 PM EDT
[#3]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:14:25 PM EDT
[#4]
What State are you shipping it to?
 That may make a difference? BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:14:32 PM EDT
[#5]
correct............some ffls do this b/c they think it is "safer" for them |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:16:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:18:16 PM EDT
[#7]
Absolutely full to the brim with shit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:24:04 PM EDT
[#8]
From the ATF FAQ |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:26:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Sounds like he is looking for an excuse to charge more "transfer fees".
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:29:16 PM EDT
[#10]
He is WRONG!
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:30:07 PM EDT
[#11]
+2 |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 12:46:27 PM EDT
[#12]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b17 (cold-link)
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back] A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. (B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back] A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31] |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:01:52 PM EDT
[#13]
Just becasue the ATF says it's ok does not necessarily make it legal. States/municipalities have laws too. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:06:46 PM EDT
[#14]
true, YMMV. This particular poster asks for clarification on: Non-licensee to Licensee (FFL) |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:13:37 PM EDT
[#15]
Per federal law, it is completely legal.
Some FFL have a policy or preference to not receive firearms from non-FFLs, but that's not a requirment of federal law. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:14:59 PM EDT
[#16]
Fuck him. Find someone else.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:18:50 PM EDT
[#17]
I believe SOME states or counties might have confusing laws on the matter, but at the Federal level the ATF is just fine with a non-licensee sending a firearm to an FFL for transfer.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:20:47 PM EDT
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I know I've posted this before, but particularly when receiving a handgun, I insist on it coming from another FFL. The NYSP who oversee NY FFLs insist on that. The way some of you object to sending any sort of verifiable ID along with a transfer, I would insist on it as a CYA thing for me.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:30:23 PM EDT
[#19]
Some Class 1's think they are a cross between Moses and Solomon when it comes to law and wisdom.
Too many of them don't know the law and lack any wisdom. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:31:08 PM EDT
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+1 I have had them tell me it's so they don't receive a stolen gun. How stupid would you be a send a stolen gun to an FFL for transfer. I suppose you could do it if you used a fake address and left no pirnt on the gun or the package. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:42:33 PM EDT
[#21]
That's comforting to know that there are people on here without an FFL who know more than the fucktards with one. And we wonder why it's so hard to keep a firm grip on our 2nd Amendment Rights... well, now you know one good reason. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:58:41 PM EDT
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That's what I thought! It's going from WA to AZ. Never had a problem shipping a rifle to AZ before. I have already given the buyer a list of other FFL's in his area. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 2:11:41 PM EDT
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Can anyone actually find an example of this though ? An FFL has to be able to accept a gun from a non-FFL or else how could he ever sell it (I suppose to a non-FFL but that would be silly way to set up a law) |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 2:29:52 PM EDT
[#24]
I can't believe in the year 2006 we still have an ATF. The days of Al Capone and alcohol prohibitions are long gone. Seems like the ATF is just another make work program for federal bearucrats.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:01:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Some of us that stated that the FFL was full of shit only recently decided not to renew our licenses. That is why I said he was full of shit. I still have the stack of books that the BATFE sent me in my office, so I could go look up the law, chapter and verse. But I know that an FFL can accept a firearm from a non-licensee. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:03:29 PM EDT
[#26]
+1000 Max |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:53:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Just had an FFL tell me it was illegal to accept a rifle from a non FFL. Is it true?
The FFL in question just proved that MENSA membership is not a prerequisite for obtaining an FFL. The assmonkey is dead wrong. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:56:40 PM EDT
[#28]
There is just as much gang activity now as there ever was in Capones day. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:07:00 PM EDT
[#29]
+1
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:08:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Some FFL holders are uninformed and thusly full of made-up gap filling BS.
Do your business with someone competent. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:27:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Yep. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:33:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Yes, and hassling law abiding citizens about wether the silver solder used to perm attach their flash hider melts at 1000 degrees or 1100 degrees really helps combat gangs. 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 4:56:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Ask him what law school he went to and is he a member of the bar in his state 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:24:42 PM EDT
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Well, in this case there is no STATE law against it, as I do it often. Check the local (city/county) ordinances wherever the FFL is (not likely to be any ordinances against it here in AZ) and inform the FFL of such.... |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:26:02 AM EDT
[#35]
I shipped a handgun to someone in Arizona once and got the same runaround, I wonder if it was the same dealer? I ended up just getting an FFL friend to UPS it for me... still annoying. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 3:11:47 PM EDT
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Sounds like I found a dealer of the same sort here in Texas. The first one I found wanted 10% or $30 whichever was greater and I was buying a real HK93 (you do the math on that transfer). I asked why so much and he got a little snotty saying that he is running a business and has to pay for his license. Well, my one transfer would pay for the next six years of his damn license...
Anyhow I found another dealer who charged a flat $50 - a lot better than the first but still high as hell for three minutes of paperwork. So I get his FFL and send it off to the seller. The seller then sends the rifle to dealer #2. I go today and the rifle is there but the dealer won't release it to me until he gets an FFL from the sender. Again, I question the guy behind the counter and he says that the law changed when the AW ban went away and that he needs the FFL... So I do all the paperwork and I get an all OK from the NICS thing but I still can't take home my rifle. I'll go back on Monday and see if I can get it sorted out. I found this thread, read through the ATF FAQ linked here and called the dealer back... He says the same thing - has to be a dealer-to-dealer transfer. He then explains that they have called about this as well and that the ATF said it had to be dealer-to-dealer. I then read him the quoted question and answer from above - he said he is going to talk to the boss and they'll get back to me on Monday... Lucky for me I've found another guy to do my future transfers who charges $10. Why is it that the supposed professionals don't know anything about the transfer process while the kitchen-dealers are all up to speed on the laws? Spooky |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 3:50:02 PM EDT
[#37]
That happened to me about 5 years ago. The FFL wouln't release the rifle without the shipping dealers FFL. ATF informed him otherwise and he released the rifle. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 3:52:53 PM EDT
[#38]
But I thought the first F in FFL is for "Ferderal" |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:04:25 PM EDT
[#39]
You disappoint me PF74 |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:21:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Why does that dissapoint you? It is often very true. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:22:54 PM EDT
[#41]
When I got my first AR about 6 weeks ago, the owner used to have an FFL and showed me where to look on the ATF site. You can send a firearm to an FFL in another state without having an FFL yourself. We traded rifles even up- after I called about 12 different shops in my area to find one the would do the transfer. had
The last call was to a small shop I had never heard of- and they hadn't heard of doing a transfer like that either. The differance was, the owners daughter was nice enough to get on their computer and follow my directions through the website to get the info they needed. About three days later I was picking up my AR and they were picking up a new customer. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:44:47 PM EDT
[#42]
A lot of FFL's are changing their policies on receiving firearms from non-FFL holders, regardless of whether its legal or not. Matter of fact, I was in a shop when the FFL holder actually called the ATF and they told him he needed to receive only from other FFL dealers. I challenged this, but he really didn't care what I had to say. Its their license, to they make the rules.
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:47:39 PM EDT
[#43]
That's really what it comes down to... They are the ones risking their license, not me. However, there needs to be a no kidding answer that is CORRECT from ATF themselves. Their web site FAQ says that it is OK, but I don't think I would want to hang my hat on that in a court of law. However, the FAQ has references back to the reg. Spooky |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:50:41 PM EDT
[#44]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 5:13:50 PM EDT
[#45]
Fine with me, I'd just find someone else. Done it with two FFLs so far that would not follow the law and tried to push their bullshit on me. |
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