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Posted: 4/13/2006 2:18:51 PM EST
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).

Anyone else get the notice? He must be testing to see just how serious we are about not dealing with him. I have to admit, I was sitting here thinking for a few minutes about how neat it'd be to have ten more mags in the stable for chump money, but my resolve stiffened and I deleted the e-mail.



One way I look at it is this: This could be the order that he uses to screw me over, regardless of how sweet the deal sounds. Looking at it that way made it much easier to stick to my guns about not dealing with crooks.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:21:14 PM EST
no thanks. i don't reward poor customer service, even if they try to buy my business
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:22:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 2:25:12 PM EST by markm]
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?

It's a tempting deal! If I hadn't been spending like a drunk sailor already I'd snag some. Reputable mags are getting slightly less abundant lately.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:23:33 PM EST
I have not received an e-mail since I asked to be taken off the mailing list.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:23:56 PM EST
I understand others here have opinions on Ammoman. My experiences - I ordered, I got.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:24:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).

Anyone else get the notice? He must be testing to see just how serious we are about not dealing with him. I have to admit, I was sitting here thinking for a few minutes about how neat it'd be to have ten more mags in the stable for chump money, but my resolve stiffened and I deleted the e-mail.



One way I look at it is this: This could be the order that he uses to screw me over, regardless of how sweet the deal sounds. Looking at it that way made it much easier to stick to my guns about not dealing with crooks.



What did he do? I missed what happened. He once sent me 500 rds of .223 for winning a football contest.

Who do you order from?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:24:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?




Maybe I missed something, but why is the guy who bought the fake bringback SKS the moron?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:25:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).

Anyone else get the notice? He must be testing to see just how serious we are about not dealing with him. I have to admit, I was sitting here thinking for a few minutes about how neat it'd be to have ten more mags in the stable for chump money, but my resolve stiffened and I deleted the e-mail.

his:
How does he know that you are from here? His mailing list must be huge, filled with people from many forums and people who don't frequent forums.

BTW< I read a couple threads about him. FWIW, I've been going there for years, his attitude in real life has consistently gotten worse over the years, just like his online persona.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:25:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?

It's a tempting deal! If I hadn't been spending like a drunk sailor already I'd snag some. Reputable mags are getting slightly less abundant lately.

There's always gotta be one... hinking.gif
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:26:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By markm:
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?




Maybe I missed something, but why is the guy who bought the fake bringback SKS the moron?



Who the hell buys an SKS? You literally couldn't give me one. I be pissed off that it would be taking up space in my house!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:27:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:

There's always gotta be one...



Meaning what, Numb nuts? If there is a REAL reason not to buy from Eric, I'm all ears!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:28:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:
How does he know that you are from here? His mailing list must be huge, filled with people from many forums and people who don't frequent forums.


I informed him that there was an ARFCOMMER who got screwed by him and I would not deal with him any more.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:28:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).



Nice ad; I wonder what the customer actually receives.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:28:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).

Anyone else get the notice? He must be testing to see just how serious we are about not dealing with him. I have to admit, I was sitting here thinking for a few minutes about how neat it'd be to have ten more mags in the stable for chump money, but my resolve stiffened and I deleted the e-mail.



One way I look at it is this: This could be the order that he uses to screw me over, regardless of how sweet the deal sounds. Looking at it that way made it much easier to stick to my guns about not dealing with crooks.



I got the email, too, and I'll never buy from him-ever. You screw enough people like he did and you're screwed back.

HH
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:29:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:

There's always gotta be one...



Meaning what, Numb nuts? If there is a REAL reason not to buy from Eric, I'm all ears!



fraud isn't good enough?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:30:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:

There's always gotta be one... hinking.gif



Meaning what, Numb nuts? If there is a REAL reason not to buy from Eric, I'm all ears!

You've shown yourself to be an internet commando, spouting out insults that you apparently wouldn't use if you were speaking face to face. You are acting like a child.

When you get over your little hissy fit and start acting like a grown gentleman, let me know and I'll be happy to answer your question.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:30:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:

There's always gotta be one...



Meaning what, Numb nuts? If there is a REAL reason not to buy from Eric, I'm all ears!



whether or not you want an SKS or not does not give you, eric, or any other seller to blatently and knowingly mis-represent merchandise, and then tell the customer to more or less fuck off when the customer demands some recourse.

imagine if you were going to buy a sealed box of ammo. the outside said XM193 on it, but when you opened it up it was filled with wolf. would you not hold the seller responsible for mis-representing the goods you bought in order to get more money from you for said goods?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:31:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).

Anyone else get the notice? He must be testing to see just how serious we are about not dealing with him. I have to admit, I was sitting here thinking for a few minutes about how neat it'd be to have ten more mags in the stable for chump money, but my resolve stiffened and I deleted the e-mail.



One way I look at it is this: This could be the order that he uses to screw me over, regardless of how sweet the deal sounds. Looking at it that way made it much easier to stick to my guns about not dealing with crooks.



Got the same email, and promptly TRASHED same... F*CK'EM!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:31:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?



The guy with the SKS aside (not fair to call him a moron for being screwed over), Ammoman's an asshole. Period. I don't like him because he treats his customers like shit. One phone call with that guy, and I wouldn't give him a penny to save his life. IMHO coming off with attitude like he does is a poor way to run a busines....but, his prerogative.

Regardless, he's not offering anything that other businesses(who treat their customers with repect) aren't. A couple retailers have been offering them for comparable prices.

If you want to get Center mags for $10.00, check the EE, there have been a bunch for $10.00 shipped (or less) on there in the past month.

Hell, if you can't find any there, I'll sell you 10 NIW Center mags for $109.00 shipped.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:32:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By markm:
Why would you think he'd screw you? Because of that Moron with the SKS? Or has there been another incident(s)?




Maybe I missed something, but why is the guy who bought the fake bringback SKS the moron?



Who the hell buys an SKS? You literally couldn't give me one. I be pissed off that it would be taking up space in my house!



+1
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:32:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Last time I got an e-mail from his site, I replied to it and asked to be taken off his e-mail contact list. Looks like that didn't happen. Well, today's e-mail is for brand-new USGI mags and he's practically giving them away ($109 delivered for 10 brand-new Center Industries green follower mags).


Nice ad; I wonder what the customer actually receives.


Yep. That makes it easier to walk away from. Who knows, those mags could be USA mags he's peddling.

Either way, I won't put myself in a position to find out if his product descriptions are bogus.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:32:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 3:45:44 PM EST by Dragracer_Art]
You can buy mags cheaper in the EE right now...

I've seen them as low as $8.79-$9.50ea. $8.39ea in packs of 10.

They are actually cheaper than USED AK mags right now.

...Still trying to figure that one out.

The last two batches of mags I bought were from 44mag.com and CProducts.com.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:33:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By NoSoupForYou:
How does he know that you are from here? His mailing list must be huge, filled with people from many forums and people who don't frequent forums.


I informed him that there was an ARFCOMMER who got screwed by him and I would not deal with him any more.

He probably got pissed off and deleted your e-mail without taking you off the list.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:37:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
whether or not you want an SKS or not does not give you, eric, or any other seller to blatently and knowingly mis-represent merchandise, and then tell the customer to more or less fuck off when the customer demands some recourse.



Maybe. I for one, would never buy a gun sight unseen. I mean, if you're buying an SKS, WTF is the diff how it got in the country?

It's still just a $150 commie hunk o' shit, IMO. Of all the thousands of good transactions that Eric's had, I can't justify holding one bad one against him. Maybe if we started to see a pattern of evil.

I just don't buy that he would try to defraud some geek out of an extra few bucks on a hunk o shit gun.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:47:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
whether or not you want an SKS or not does not give you, eric, or any other seller to blatently and knowingly mis-represent merchandise, and then tell the customer to more or less fuck off when the customer demands some recourse.



Maybe. I for one, would never buy a gun sight unseen. I mean, if you're buying an SKS, WTF is the diff how it got in the country?

It's still just a $150 commie hunk o' shit, IMO. Of all the thousands of good transactions that Eric's had, I can't justify holding one bad one against him. Maybe if we started to see a pattern of evil.

I just don't buy that he would try to defraud some geek out of an extra few bucks on a hunk o shit gun.



Amazing.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:50:09 PM EST
Check the EE or 44mag.com. $8.99 each on the EE and a little more with mag pull followers at 44mag.

Fuck fraudman.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:51:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
no thanks. i don't reward poor customer service,FRAUD even if they try to buy my business

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:52:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
whether or not you want an SKS or not does not give you, eric, or any other seller to blatently and knowingly mis-represent merchandise, and then tell the customer to more or less fuck off when the customer demands some recourse.



Maybe. I for one, would never buy a gun sight unseen. I mean, if you're buying an SKS, WTF is the diff how it got in the country?

It's still just a $150 commie hunk o' shit, IMO. Of all the thousands of good transactions that Eric's had, I can't justify holding one bad one against him. Maybe if we started to see a pattern of evil.

I just don't buy that he would try to defraud some geek out of an extra few bucks on a hunk o shit gun.



MarkM, I have some free bee samples of Zoloph (sp) , I think you need them more than I do
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:52:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:

I just don't buy that he would try to defraud some geek out of an extra few bucks on a hunk o shit gun.



He advertised an import SKS as a Vietnam bringback. Fraud. What don't you understand?


Woody
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:55:31 PM EST
AGNTSA

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:59:30 PM EST
I seem to remember (foggy recollection), that back before the AWB expired, there was a person here selling a bunch of NIW USGI mags at a very respectable price.

It was pretty much an ARFCOM offering... in other words the seller wasn't spamming every gun related forum, nor did he have a website or take out an ad in SGN.

Members would buy what they could afford; be it 3-4 mags or 2 dozen.

Ammoman came along and bought up the sellers entire stock (might have been a 100/500 mags, might have been more, might have been less).

He then turned around and tried to sell the mags here at a much higher price; maybe $3.00- $5.00 more. I don't recall the exact amount.

There were some at the time that called him a "greedy asshole", "snake", whatever.

Others defended him by saying "that's the way the system works", "that's the American way", "free market place" whatever.

Point is, while that's what capitalism and business is about, it's unethical and a low-blow to take advantage of a situation like that (knowing the circumstances), then turn around and pretty much say" if you want them, you have to deal with me now".

I hope those are the same mags and he takes a heavy loss on his "investment".

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:03:49 PM EST
Maybe we shouldn't advertise for him in GD.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:03:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sparky315:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
whether or not you want an SKS or not does not give you, eric, or any other seller to blatently and knowingly mis-represent merchandise, and then tell the customer to more or less fuck off when the customer demands some recourse.



Maybe. I for one, would never buy a gun sight unseen. I mean, if you're buying an SKS, WTF is the diff how it got in the country?

It's still just a $150 commie hunk o' shit, IMO. Of all the thousands of good transactions that Eric's had, I can't justify holding one bad one against him. Maybe if we started to see a pattern of evil.

I just don't buy that he would try to defraud some geek out of an extra few bucks on a hunk o shit gun.



Amazing.




It's not amazing. It's delusional.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:04:23 PM EST
I know some here do not like Eric(Ammoman). I have read the posts, both good & bad. I knew his ammo prices where high, but, he had it in stock when I wanted it. I have purchased around 5K of the boxed Xm193 LC. From my experience, I can only say, fast shipping, ammo was good and zero issues.

Would I buy more...well... If he has it, and nobody else does, of course I will.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:07:46 PM EST
I can pick up USGI surplus mags for 3 bucks a piece in the area I live in.

They have huge bins at most of the surplus shops and, I've found almost new mags
for almost nothing.

That said, I dont' plan on using Ammoman again.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:08:02 PM EST
Anyone who still defends Eric/Ammoman either:

A) Doesn't care about the fraud; or,

B) Doesn't put much stock in AR15.com site staff's attempts to resolve the disputed SKS transaction.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:19:20 PM EST
Wasn't he onced loved on these boards?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:21:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Wasn't he onced loved on these boards?

Yes. And then people started complaining about problems. At that point he was given many chances to explain, but he always kept his smug attitude. And after even more complaints were made about him, he started not responding at all.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:27:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Anyone who still defends Eric/Ammoman either:

A) Doesn't care about the fraud; or,

B) Doesn't put much stock in AR15.com site staff's attempts to resolve the disputed SKS transaction.




+1

We know of the SKS and another incident with a misrepresented Luger.

I only hope that those who continue to buy from ammoman
don't expect any help from the board if they get screwed over in a transaction.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:28:40 PM EST
Huh? When did this whole SKS thing happen? What's the story with that?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:33:48 PM EST
I didnt know anything about him ripping people off. I do remember that site being praised here, but always thought WTF I dont get it, he has some cool stuff, but almost ALL of his prices are high WTF buy from him, and someone seloling the same exact stuff chaeaper?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:35:41 PM EST
Shhhhhhhh Copes Distributing has Brand New Cproducts 10 packs for $85 and Out-Fuckin-Standing Customer ServiceShhhhhhh
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:36:24 PM EST
If I want mags I'll use someone reputable like CDNN or cproductsllc.com

If I want uncertainty I'll go to Tunica.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:37:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
no thanks. i don't reward poor customer service, even if they try to buy my business



Don't worry. I've had nothing but GREAT customer service from them.

I'll buy them in your place so you won't have to.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:39:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Anyone who still defends Eric/Ammoman either:

A) Doesn't care about the fraud; or,

B) Doesn't put much stock in AR15.com site staff's attempts to resolve the disputed SKS transaction.




I missed it. Can someone please link me to the fraud?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:49:08 PM EST
There are much better deals on AR magazines in the EE from AR15.com sponsors. You can get 10 GI mags for less than $85 from at least 2 vendors currently.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:56:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 4:00:05 PM EST by EPOCH96]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Anyone who still defends Eric/Ammoman either:

A) Doesn't care about the fraud; or,

B) Doesn't put much stock in AR15.com site staff's attempts to resolve the disputed SKS transaction.




I missed it. Can someone please link me to the fraud?



Here you go...

It's a long read so let me try to some up.

Ammoman posts Vietnam Bringback SKS for $375 on website
Person buys said SKS and discovers is a severely beaten up import CLEARLY MARKED
Person calls Ammoman asking for refund
Person is offered $100 for rifle that he had just purchased for $375
Person gets pissed and refuses offer
Posts a thread here
ARFCOM site staff gets involved to try and help out
Ammoman tells site staff and Person to "talk to his lawyer"
Site Staff cuts ties and removes Ammoman's sponsership here on Arfcom

Feel free to add anything I left out

EPOCH

From the link

The statement below in blue speaks volumes IMHO


Originally Posted By Aimless (Site Staff):
Goatboy removed Ammoman's dealership status here yesterday. Whether Eric will even care, I have no idea. I did not even find any ads that he had listed here.

I bought from Eric for ages, he was fast to deliver and he had supported the site for years. But not just simply refunding pfinac money after he found that importer's mark? I just cannot come up with any rational explanation for that. I am embarrassed that I had stuck up for Eric in the past.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:56:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 4:01:28 PM EST by Dilbert_556]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Anyone who still defends Eric/Ammoman either:

A) Doesn't care about the fraud; or,

B) Doesn't put much stock in AR15.com site staff's attempts to resolve the disputed SKS transaction.




I missed it. Can someone please link me to the fraud?



Here you go. Link

Oh well a little late with the link, so just so this post doesn't go to waste.:

Hey markm- SKS SKS SKS SKS SKS that is all.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:59:55 PM EST
I've never been a victim of fraud by Eric, but his soft skills suck. I got into a weird e-mail tennis match when he stopped taking amex. He was quite arrogant and rude for a merchant. I asked to be taken off his mailing list, he complied. I am now a happy non-customer.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:01:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
There are much better deals on AR magazines in the EE from AR15.com sponsors. You can get 10 GI mags for less than $85 from at least 2 vendors currently.


I'll have to check them out.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:04:39 PM EST
I think there are some anti-spamming laws he is violating if you have asked to be removed and he continues to send you e-mails...
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