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Posted: 3/15/2005 8:19:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2005 8:21:06 AM EST by mr_wilson]
Okay which one of you knuckleheads was Paul Harvey just talkin about.......

Just heard him say some guy driving a Jaguar, stood up thu the sun-roof of his jag and killed 3 people and wounded others firing w/ an assualt-rifle???????

Didn't catch where this happened......

Mike
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:27:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2005 8:28:33 AM EST by mr_wilson]
Found it, it's in DALLAS, Tx.........


apnews.myway.com/article/20050315/D88RGT400.html

Dallas Gunman Kills 3 From Car Sunroof

Mar 15, 11:34 AM (ET)

By LISA FALKENBERG

DALLAS (AP) - A gunman armed with an assault rifle stood through the sunroof of a Jaguar and opened fire on another moving vehicle early Tuesday, killing three men and critically wounding a fourth, police said.

Authorities were searching for the suspect, who was a passenger in a car described as a white or silver Jaguar with fancy wheels, said Cpl. Max Geron, a Dallas police spokesman. The gunman had at least one accomplice - the driver, Geron said.

The shootings happened about 2 a.m. on a highway frontage road near the Southern Methodist University campus.

A police officer waiting at a traffic light at the intersection witnessed the shootings and stopped to help when the second car crashed, police Sgt. Gil Cerda said. Police policy prohibited the officer from pursuing the fleeing vehicle because he already had a prisoner from an unrelated case in his back seat, Geron said.

No motive has been determined, but the shooting happened soon after a fight was reported at a nearby bar. A car reported at the bar resembled the one from which the shots were fired, and police were investigating for a possible link, Geron said.

Killed were Eddie Pech, 36; Bernardo Andrade, 21; and Favio Andrade, 19, all of Dallas, Geron said. Another man was taken to Baylor University Medical Center, where he was listed in "very critical" condition, the spokesman said. His identity was not released.


That's just great.......NOT!
Mike
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:33:20 AM EST
You gotta be shitting me....
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:35:19 AM EST
+2
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:36:40 AM EST
Ban sun/moon roofs for the children . . . .

Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:37:26 AM EST
Now let's see how long it'll take before someone starts blaming the officer for not chasing them.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:37:27 AM EST
Drug deal gone bad. The only way it could have gone better would be if they all died (including shooter).

Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:59:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 9:04:17 AM EST
d00p!
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 10:53:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2005 10:53:51 AM EST by MissileCop]
Nice to see that a poorly thought out policy aided in the escape of a couple of killers. Way to go!

Who gives a rat's ass if you've got a prisoner in the back? If he's belted in, he's goin' for the ride! What's he gonna do, ask to be dropped off?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 10:57:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By MissileCop:
Nice to see that a poorly thought out policy aided in the escape of a couple of killers. Way to go!

Who gives a rat's ass if you've got a prisoner in the back? If he's belted in, he's goin' for the ride! What's he gonna do, ask to be dropped off?



Liability man... Liability..... that word runs most police depts nowadays.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 10:57:38 AM EST
It wanst this guy was it?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 10:58:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2005 11:03:07 AM EST by leelaw]
Well...

Looks like their aim is getting better.

ETA: How was the gun identified as an assault rifle? Over-zealous reporting, or the cop, who happens to know his shit about firearms, was able to ID it?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 11:18:20 AM EST
obviously it was an assault weapon, I mean that is the number one weapon on the streets now that the AWB died right?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 11:24:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By LPDtactical:

Originally Posted By MissileCop:
Nice to see that a poorly thought out policy aided in the escape of a couple of killers. Way to go!

Who gives a rat's ass if you've got a prisoner in the back? If he's belted in, he's goin' for the ride! What's he gonna do, ask to be dropped off?



Liability man... Liability..... that word runs most police depts nowadays.



Or he decided he didn't want to tango with this person with an "assault weapon" and is using liability as the reason.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 11:26:03 AM EST
I'm just glad my Jag is a different color cause my AR rides with me pretty regularly.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 11:30:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
It wanst this guy was it?
www.cinema.com/image_lib/5184_008.jpg



isn't that a TVR?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:26:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By MissileCop:
Nice to see that a poorly thought out policy aided in the escape of a couple of killers. Way to go!

Who gives a rat's ass if you've got a prisoner in the back? If he's belted in, he's goin' for the ride! What's he gonna do, ask to be dropped off?



When a cuffed prisoner is in your custody you are responsible for him. You think it's right to take him into a situation where he can't defend himself?

Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:38:10 PM EST
Let's input the facts into the magic FBI profile machine:

-Flashy Jag
-Bling Rims
-Fight outside a bar
-Mostly Mexicans involved

<beep, beep, boop>

The profile is: WHITEY!
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:48:00 PM EST
Speaking of prisoner liability:
Knew a dumbass housing Officer that left a guy handcuffed to a fence. LOL came back later that night and the guy had been robbed and violated. Dumbass lost his Job. Perp got some cash
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:53:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By HighlandMac:
Drug deal gone bad. The only way it could have gone better would be if they all died (including shooter).




Exactly, what else is going on at 2am
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 1:06:36 AM EST
By MICHAEL GRABELL, KRISTEN HOLLAND and JASON TRAHAN / The Dallas Morning News


A fight that ended with a gunman rising out of the sunroof of a moving Jaguar and killing three people early Tuesday apparently began an hour earlier at a college bar where police have had to use a Taser and a pepper-ball gun to quell rowdy Monday night crowds.



JOHN DAVID EMMETT/ Special Contributor
Friends Tonya Hernandez (left) and Marcela Castillo, 17, consoled each other Tuesday morning as friends of the victims gathered at the site of the shootings near Mockingbird and Central Expressway. "It has a history of fights every Monday night at close," said a police report from an incident last week at Jack's Pub and Volleyball Club on Yale Boulevard. Each week on that day, the club hosts a party for area bar and restaurant employees who have to work Friday and Saturday nights.

Killed at North Central Expressway and Mockingbird Lane were Eddie Pech, a 36-year-old chef, and two cousins, Bernardo Andrade, a 21-year-old bouncer, and Favio Andrade, a 19-year-old deli cashier. Another man, Osvaldo Juarez, was in critical condition Tuesday night at Baylor University Medical Center.

About 9 a.m., police found the Jaguar suspected in the shootings at Belgrade Avenue near Parkdale Park in Pleasant Grove. Dallas police were interviewing the victim of an earlier bar fight and another man Tuesday evening, but no arrests had been made.

The fight that led to the shootings began about 1 a.m. when someone hit a 21-year-old man on the head with a beer bottle, a Dallas police report said.

A man working at the bar who asked not to be identified said two off-duty Dallas police officers paid to watch the parking lot were on hand when a fight broke out in the club.

"It was a 'You bumped into me, I bumped into you' type fight," the worker said. "They had words, and before you know it, they're fighting in the bar and got thrown out."

A man injured in the bar fight tried to use his arm to defend himself and was cut on his left wrist, the police report said. The worker at the bar said the man and three friends left in a white Jaguar.

Shortly after the bar closed at 2 a.m., the Jaguar closed in on the 1996 navy blue Ford Crown Victoria driven by the shooting victims on a southbound access road to Central Expressway.

Two Dallas police officers who witnessed the shooting said a man stood up through the sunroof of the Jaguar with a high-powered rifle – possibly an AK-47-style automatic weapon – and opened fire on the other car as it approached Mockingbird Lane near Southern Methodist University.

The shots were fired in University Park, but the car crossed over Mockingbird Lane and struck a guardrail in Dallas. The homicides became University Park's first since 2002.


Monday night specials

Jack's Pub and Volleyball Club, a hangout for Southern Methodist University students, has had several fights on Tuesday mornings as the bar closes, police reports show.


Courtesy
From top: Favio Andrade, Bernardo Andrade and Eddie Pech. On Oct. 19 – another Tuesday at 2 a.m. – police used a pepper-ball gun to disperse several crowds that were fighting. On Monday nights, the club is open to patrons 18 and older and has two DJs, $2 drinks and $4 pitchers.

In 2004, there were 125 police calls to Jack's Pub.

Those included 23 offense reports for assaults, auto thefts and car burglaries. The figures include less-serious incidents such as lost-property reports and public intoxication. They also include incidents in front of the club and in a parking lot shared by other businesses.

In comparison, the Across the Street Bar, across from Jack's Pub, had one offense report in 2004. Have a Nice Day Cafe in the West End had 49, Trees in Deep Ellum had two. A northwest Dallas business that city attorneys sued over security problems – Club DMX on Spangler Road – had 86 incident reports.

Last week, police at Jack's Pub had to fire a Taser as a warning to break up a crowd that was about to fight.

Dirk Kelcher, who owns Jack's Pub with his twin, Mark, said the club attracts a diverse clientele on Monday nights and employs 15 security guards and at least two off-duty police officers to control crowds leaving the bar. The club isn't much different from other popular nightspots in Dallas' entertainment districts when it comes to fights, he said.

"We've had our fair share – probably less than most other bars," he said. "There's always going to be people that rub each other the wrong way."

In January 2002, a man was shot on an early Tuesday morning as he was riding away from the club in a car. Police said the victim was involved in a disturbance with a bar patron and was shot when the car stopped at a traffic light on Greenville Avenue.

Also Online

3 fatally shot after fight at Dallas bar

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Graphic: How it happened

Video: Gary Reaves reports

En español: Balacera deja tres muertos y un herido

A memorial fund for Eddie Baltazar Pech has been established at Wells Fargo Bank. Call 214-692-8193 to make a donation.

Mr. Kelcher said that the club has been having parties on Monday nights for more than 10 years and that the police do a good job of dispersing the crowds quickly so fights don't break out.

About 500 people went to Jack's Pub throughout the night Monday. Whenever a big fight happens, security comes to his office in the club and notifies him. No one did that Monday, he said.

The triple homicide is unusual for University Park, a usually quiet enclave inside Dallas. The last homicide occurred in 2002, when 64-year-old osteopath Ronald Stegman was found beaten to death in his Colgate Avenue home.

Mike Kelly, owner of the Cobblestone Shoe Hospital at Mockingbird and Central Expressway, said he isn't worried about what happened outside his storefront Tuesday.

"I worry here, being on a corner, of being robbed," Mr. Kelly said. "I've had one break-in in 17 years. It's pretty well lit up. It stays well-patrolled" by police officers.

None of the victims was affiliated with Southern Methodist University, but SMU police issued a campus alert Tuesday about the off-campus shooting. The alert urges anyone with information to contact police.

The Dallas officers who witnessed the shooting were transporting a prisoner but stopped to help the victims, whose car crashed near the former Mrs Baird's bread factory.

The department's general orders allow officers who have a prisoner in their car to handle another police incident if "it is of such magnitude as to place life or property in jeopardy."

Police did not find a gun in the Jaguar impounded from the Pleasant Grove home but are conducting forensic tests.
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 1:22:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2005 1:23:55 AM EST by sharky30]
fancy wheels?
as in spinners or tacky ass gold ones?
in other words, a drug dealer or gang banger's car
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 1:53:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Punani:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
It wanst this guy was it?
www.cinema.com/image_lib/5184_008.jpg



isn't that a TVR?


Yep, a TVR 'Tuscan'
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 1:55:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By Punani:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
It wanst this guy was it?
www.cinema.com/image_lib/5184_008.jpg



isn't that a TVR?


Yep, a TVR 'Tuscan'


Love that car, dam DOT and their dumb as importation laws.
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 2:01:01 AM EST
Nothing good happens at 2 AM
Link Posted: 3/16/2005 2:08:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2005 2:08:51 AM EST by tc6969]
Dupe #3 or 4 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=333598
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