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Posted: 7/22/2013 10:13:43 AM EDT
A while back, I presented fact-based data about the Birch Society.  
See: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1332776__ARCHIVED_THREAD____What_do_you_really_know_about_the_John_Birch_Society_.html&page=5

All of my critics here resorted to ad hominem slurs against me personally instead of addressing the factual evidence I provided.  

One of the recurring themes against me was that I did not provide adequate "proof" for my assertions.  Apparently, readers here do not believe that detailed bibliographic references, numerous scanned copies of specific documents, or direct quotations constitute adequate proof for anything.

So, I just wanted to share the following information.  

I have recently donated DVD's to several universities and organizations which contain copies of many of the FBI files which I have obtained over the past 5+ years.  In addition, several websites have posted copies of my FBI files online.  For example, Internet Archive has them here:  http://archive.org/details/lazarfoia

In addition, major universities have them available on DVD's for interested parties to review.  For example, see:  http://crws.berkeley.edu/fbi-foia-archive

I offer this information to all my critics here -- because none of you ever bothered to refute anything which I presented -- but, now, you can see many of the files which I used for my research.  Furthermore, authors of many books, academic journal articles, and doctoral dissertations have cited me as a source for the documentation which they used in their publications.

Lastly, as a point of personal privilege, I would again like to address the bizarre objection presented by several of my critics here.  

Apparently, members of this site do not recognize that serious fact-based research is something which takes a lot of time and patience --- especially when the person or organization who is the subject of your research does not permit outside independent sources to have access to its archives (or its members) for historical research purposes.

I challenge my critics here to contact any historian or political scientist or sociologist or professional journalist of their choice who has written a book or major academic article about ANY matter.  

Choose someone whose viewpoints you AGREE with.  

Then ask those authors how much time they spent acquiring or researching primary source documents and how much time they spent writing the first draft of their publication and then perfecting it before it was published--and perhaps updating it afterward and publishing new editions to include more pertinent information -- especially if they discovered something which nobody else had previously known about  (as I have done repeatedly).  For example, I recently posted online copies of correspondence which reveal, for the first time, the reason why Charles Koch terminated his Birch Society membership.  I included a copy of a letter written by JBS founder Robert Welch to Charles Koch.  You may see this material here:
http://archive.org/details/WilliamGredePapersReCharlesKochRobertLove    

I have also posted online statistical data, never previously known, regarding Communist Party USA membership stats as well as the number of live FBI informants inside the Communist Party USA --- which even our nation's most knowledgeable and prominent historians did not know until I revealed it.

So---come back and tell us how much time your favorite authors required to research and write about their subject matter.   Obviously, serious students of ANY subject are prepared to devote a lot of time to acquiring the data they require in order to make reasonable and fair statements and conclusions.  

Consequently, I sincerely do not understand the animus of my critics here in this forum who express contempt for someone who has spent a lot of time (and money) doing careful research -- especially when (as I said) the subject organization does not allow outsiders to have access to its archives -- and/or when personal papers of key figures of that organization are archived and scattered all across our country in various educational institutions.


ONE LAST POINT:

During my debate here, my critics pretended that I never properly documented my contention that Birch Society founder Robert Welch concluded that President Eisenhower was a Communist traitor.  I referred to, and I quoted from, the 1950's unpublished manuscript written by Robert Welch (entitled The Politician)  

To address those critics, I decided to scan and copy onto the DVD's which I donated to universities and organizations, chapters 16 and 17 of Welch's manuscript where Welch makes his most caustic and libelous comments about Eisenhower as well as Eisenhower's associates and appointments.   This manuscript is not available in ANY library.  And nobody (before me) has ever reproduced  the entire chapters anywhere.

You may now see those two chapters online here:

Chapter 16 "Associates and Appointments":  
http://archive.org/details/foia_Welch_Robert-Associates_and_Appointments-1958

Chapter 17: "The Word Is Treason":  
http://archive.org/details/foia_Welch_Robert-The_Word_Is_Treason-1958.PDF


So, once again, I have provided definitive proof for my contentions whereas my critics here have provided nothing but their personal venom.
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tl;dr
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Are they still doing their Tree of the Month Club, or has that gone by the wayside?
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If memory serves me right, and maybe i'm thinking of the wrong guy but...

There's one guy ( I think it's you) that constantly trolls posts concerning JBS and tries to discredit them. The same guy has used multiple profiles on various websites over the past 10 years trying to discredit them because JBS is extremely anti-communist and the individual trolling is a hardline commie.


Edit - You're him.

Go home commie.

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If memory serves me right, and maybe i'm thinking of the wrong guy but...

There's one guy ( I think it's you) that constantly trolls posts concerning JBS and tries to discredit them. The same guy has used multiple profiles on various websites over the past 10 years trying to discredit them because JBS is extremely anti-communist and the individual trolling is a hardline commie.


Edit - You're him.

Go home commie.

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IN REPLY TO SHOCKER:

1.  I do not "troll".  My original messages here were in reply to somebody who asked an entirely reasonable question about the JBS.  Most people have no factual knowledge about the history of the JBS -- so I offered data which very few people know.

2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]

3.  Why, in your judgment, does someone have to be a "communist" -- just because you disagree with them?  FYI:  I am a libertarian.  The person whose views most closely resemble my own is Pat Buchanan.  Is he also a Communist in your scheme of things?
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should I be in on one???
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OP?  Do you belong to the Antioch Baptist Church?
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1.  I do not "troll".  My original messages here were in reply to somebody who asked an entirely reasonable question about the JBS.  Most people have no factual knowledge about the history of the JBS -- so I offered data which very few people know.

2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]

3.  Why, in your judgment, does someone have to be a "communist" -- just because you disagree with them?  FYI:  I am a libertarian.  The person whose views most closely resemble my own is Pat Buchanan.  Is he also a Communist in your scheme of things?
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If memory serves me right, and maybe i'm thinking of the wrong guy but...

There's one guy ( I think it's you) that constantly trolls posts concerning JBS and tries to discredit them. The same guy has used multiple profiles on various websites over the past 10 years trying to discredit them because JBS is extremely anti-communist and the individual trolling is a hardline commie.


Edit - You're him.

Go home commie.

http://www.lostwackys.com/images/wackyads/30.jpg


IN REPLY TO SHOCKER:

1.  I do not "troll".  My original messages here were in reply to somebody who asked an entirely reasonable question about the JBS.  Most people have no factual knowledge about the history of the JBS -- so I offered data which very few people know.

2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]

3.  Why, in your judgment, does someone have to be a "communist" -- just because you disagree with them?  FYI:  I am a libertarian.  The person whose views most closely resemble my own is Pat Buchanan.  Is he also a Communist in your scheme of things?




So you are a Communist?
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1.  The JBS certainly disagrees with your conclusion.  Their CEO takes credit for the growth of the Tea Party Movement.

2.  Why do I have to research Obama?  I am more interested in people/organizations that present conspiratorial explanations about U.S. history.   I am particularly interested in right-wing individuals and groups (like the JBS) who have effusively praised J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI during his tenure ---- because it is now possible to acquire, via FOIA requests, FBI files.  So, given the high regard which Robert Welch and the JBS have always had in Hoover's FBI, it is possible to compare the historical record (as it appears in FBI files) to what Robert Welch and the JBS believed.
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Well this one isn't going to go well for the OP either.



.....and it has nothing to do with his fucked up font.
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I wonder if he even has a garage?
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If memory serves me right, and maybe i'm thinking of the wrong guy but...

There's one guy ( I think it's you) that constantly trolls posts concerning JBS and tries to discredit them. The same guy has used multiple profiles on various websites over the past 10 years trying to discredit them because JBS is extremely anti-communist and the individual trolling is a hardline commie.


Edit - You're him.

Go home commie.

http://www.lostwackys.com/images/wackyads/30.jpg



IN REPLY TO SHOCKER:

1.  I do not "troll".  My original messages here were in reply to somebody who asked an entirely reasonable question about the JBS.  Most people have no factual knowledge about the history of the JBS -- so I offered data which very few people know.

2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]

3.  Why, in your judgment, does someone have to be a "communist" -- just because you disagree with them?  FYI:  I am a libertarian.  The person whose views most closely resemble my own is Pat Buchanan.  Is he also a Communist in your scheme of things?



So you are a Communist?



Of course I am not a Communist.  What a stupid and insulting question.   Do you think ALL of the following prominent conservatives were "Communists"?  They also denounced Robert Welch and/or the JBS after Welch died:

Sen. Barry Goldwater, Cong. Walter Judd, Gen. Albert C. Wedemeyer, Russell Kirk, Eugene Lyons, Willmoore Kendall, James Burnham, Robert Bork, J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Philbrick, Frank S. Meyer, Cong. Gordon H. Scherer, William F. Buckley Jr., Patrick Buchanan, Fred Schwarz, Lee Edwards, the editors of the conservative newspaper, Human Events, George Sokolsky, Roy Cohn, Anthony Bouscaren, plus even many former Birchers such as: Alan Stang, Gary Allen, Milorad Draskovich, John Rees, William Norman Grigg, Mrs. Robert Welch --- and many many more.
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There is a very good reason, several actually, why Buckley hated the JBS.
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I wonder if he even has a garage?


Why don't you call home and ask his wife?
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Nobody gives a shit what you think about the JBS
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Wow.  That thread was over a year ago.  It's simply incredible. Have you been preparing for this an entire year only to fail now?
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Can you illuminate us?
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Wow.  That thread was over a year ago.  It's simply incredible. Have you been preparing for this an entire year only to fail now?
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Didn't read.
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This.  Do not modify the font of the entire post.
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Speaking of eccentric arfcom members, is Victorunit still around? His bizarre yet entertaining posts always made my day.
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If you came here and posted a cure for cancer in that horrible, horrible font/typeset, I still wouldn't read it.

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1.  I am not paid by anybody.

2.  Please see my previous message which listed prominent conservatives (mostly Republicans) who were anti-JBS.  Did you ever contact any of them when they were living to ask them who "paid" them?
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Even snowleopard would wtf this thread.
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Lots of folks take credit for the Tea Party--including Paulbots.  Do you have a cite for Mr. Welch claiming this?  I've never heard of it--though there are worse sins, I suppose.
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1.  The JBS certainly disagrees with your conclusion.  Their CEO takes credit for the growth of the Tea Party Movement.

2.  Why do I have to research Obama?  I am more interested in people/organizations that present conspiratorial explanations about U.S. history.   I am particularly interested in right-wing individuals and groups (like the JBS) who have effusively praised J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI during his tenure ---- because it is now possible to acquire, via FOIA requests, FBI files.  So, given the high regard which Robert Welch and the JBS have always had in Hoover's FBI, it is possible to compare the historical record (as it appears in FBI files) to what Robert Welch and the JBS believed.

Lots of folks take credit for the Tea Party--including Paulbots.  Do you have a cite for Mr. Welch claiming this?  I've never heard of it--though there are worse sins, I suppose.


(a)  Welch never claimed credit.  How could he?  He died in 1985.
(b)  The current CEO (Art Thompson) has suggested that the Birch Society prepared the ground for the Tea Party Movement to be born and succeed.  Also, their current President (John McManus) has made similar comments.
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2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]


Isn't that a personal attack?


That is a pretty low bar.  Also most people do not know what ignorant actually means.
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I wonder if he even has a garage?


Why don't you call home and ask his wife?


a peace sign...mag wheels and four on the floor.....
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This. Would've read it, but you made it too long and difficult to parse.
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That is a pretty low bar.  Also most people do not know what ignorant actually means.
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2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]


Isn't that a personal attack?


That is a pretty low bar.  Also most people do not know what ignorant actually means.

It seemed to be enough for Dan
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2.  My interest is not "discrediting" the Birch Society.  In fact, I have repeatedly DEFENDED them online from false and malicious critics.  Recently, someone accused me of being "pro-JBS" because I brought my critic's attention to the absurdities in her argument against the JBS.  You are just the flip side of that coin----you both are ignorant vicious and mean-spirited -- and have no respect for FACTS.  [I also have defended former Cong. Ron Paul and the Tea Party Movement in numerous online messages!]


Isn't that a personal attack?


That is a pretty low bar.  Also most people do not know what ignorant actually means.

It seemed to be enough for Dan



I think accumulation might have been a factor in DanTSX's case.
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1.  He did not "hate" the JBS.  

2.  In fact, even after his magazine published critical articles about Welch -- Buckley DEFENDED the JBS repeatedly in his newspaper columns.  As one example:  see his columns pertaining to whether or not a JBS member should be allowed to be a policeman.  During the mid-1960's there was a major controversy in Philadelphia and New York City over that matter.  Buckley emphatically supported the Birch Society.

3.  This is a good example of what I have attempted to address in this forum.  There is a HUGE amount of misinformation and ignorance about JBS history as well as about the critics of the JBS.   You do not have to be a communist or liberal or Democrat to be a JBS critic.  Many entirely decent, honorable, and principled conservative Republicans criticized the JBS.

4.  Recently, the former senior editor of the JBS magazine (The New American) made accusations against the JBS leadership which were TEN TIMES more caustic than anything I have ever written.  Check out William Norman Grigg's blog:

http://jbsrip.blogspot.com/
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Here toy go.
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He get a time out or ban?
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and can I get in on it?

Trolling message boards would be a lot easier than the work I do now.

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That ain't defending the JBS.
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A while back, I presented fact-based data about the Birch Society.  
See: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1332776__ARCHIVED_THREAD____What_do_you_really_know_about_the_John_Birch_Society_.html&page=5

All of my critics here resorted to ad hominem slurs against me personally instead of addressing the factual evidence I provided.  

One of the recurring themes against me was that I did not provide adequate "proof" for my assertions.  Apparently, readers here do not believe that detailed bibliographic references, numerous scanned copies of specific documents, or direct quotations constitute adequate proof for anything.

So, I just wanted to share the following information.  

I have recently donated DVD's to several universities and organizations which contain copies of many of the FBI files which I have obtained over the past 5+ years.  In addition, several websites have posted copies of my FBI files online.  For example, Internet Archive has them here:  http://archive.org/details/lazarfoia

In addition, major universities have them available on DVD's for interested parties to review.  For example, see:  http://crws.berkeley.edu/fbi-foia-archive

I offer this information to all my critics here -- because none of you ever bothered to refute anything which I presented -- but, now, you can see many of the files which I used for my research.  Furthermore, authors of many books, academic journal articles, and doctoral dissertations have cited me as a source for the documentation which they used in their publications.

Lastly, as a point of personal privilege, I would again like to address the bizarre objection presented by several of my critics here.  

Apparently, members of this site do not recognize that serious fact-based research is something which takes a lot of time and patience --- especially when the person or organization who is the subject of your research does not permit outside independent sources to have access to its archives (or its members) for historical research purposes.

I challenge my critics here to contact any historian or political scientist or sociologist or professional journalist of their choice who has written a book or major academic article about ANY matter.  

Choose someone whose viewpoints you AGREE with.  

Then ask those authors how much time they spent acquiring or researching primary source documents and how much time they spent writing the first draft of their publication and then perfecting it before it was published--and perhaps updating it afterward and publishing new editions to include more pertinent information -- especially if they discovered something which nobody else had previously known about  (as I have done repeatedly).  For example, I recently posted online copies of correspondence which reveal, for the first time, the reason why Charles Koch terminated his Birch Society membership.  I included a copy of a letter written by JBS founder Robert Welch to Charles Koch.  You may see this material here:
http://archive.org/details/WilliamGredePapersReCharlesKochRobertLove    

I have also posted online statistical data, never previously known, regarding Communist Party USA membership stats as well as the number of live FBI informants inside the Communist Party USA --- which even our nation's most knowledgeable and prominent historians did not know until I revealed it.

So---come back and tell us how much time your favorite authors required to research and write about their subject matter.   Obviously, serious students of ANY subject are prepared to devote a lot of time to acquiring the data they require in order to make reasonable and fair statements and conclusions.  

Consequently, I sincerely do not understand the animus of my critics here in this forum who express contempt for someone who has spent a lot of time (and money) doing careful research -- especially when (as I said) the subject organization does not allow outsiders to have access to its archives -- and/or when personal papers of key figures of that organization are archived and scattered all across our country in various educational institutions.


ONE LAST POINT:

During my debate here, my critics pretended that I never properly documented my contention that Birch Society founder Robert Welch concluded that President Eisenhower was a Communist traitor.  I referred to, and I quoted from, the 1950's unpublished manuscript written by Robert Welch (entitled The Politician)  

To address those critics, I decided to scan and copy onto the DVD's which I donated to universities and organizations, chapters 16 and 17 of Welch's manuscript where Welch makes his most caustic and libelous comments about Eisenhower as well as Eisenhower's associates and appointments.   This manuscript is not available in ANY library.  And nobody (before me) has ever reproduced  the entire chapters anywhere.

You may now see those two chapters online here:

Chapter 16 "Associates and Appointments":  
http://archive.org/details/foia_Welch_Robert-Associates_and_Appointments-1958

Chapter 17: "The Word Is Treason":  
http://archive.org/details/foia_Welch_Robert-The_Word_Is_Treason-1958.PDF


So, once again, I have provided definitive proof for my contentions whereas my critics here have provided nothing but their personal venom.
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Are you trying to make a point or just complain? one can't tell by your ramblings.
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