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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:06:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 5:45:33 PM EST
Why am I not surprised to see kit Darby being quoted?
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 5:58:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/11/2012 6:03:10 PM EST by BillofRights]
Kit Darby has made millions from his supposed Pilot Shortage!!! (tm)

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that nobody has killed him yet, or at least kicked his ass.


It can be great job but it's a lousy career. There will never be a "shortage" because people love the idea of being paid to fly.

People spreading the "Pilot Shortage" myth are conmen and crooks, nothing more.


Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:09:12 PM EST

The only amazing part about the pilot shortage is that 50000 otherwise reasonably intelligent people can be conned into believing there is a pilot shortage.
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:42:24 PM EST
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:46:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Pretty damn close to nothing.
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:50:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 6:54:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/11/2012 6:54:50 PM EST by fla556guy]
well, ..........
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 7:01:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/11/2012 7:03:18 PM EST by Screechjet1]
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740
Link Posted: 11/11/2012 7:03:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:

The only amazing part about the pilot shortage is that 50000 otherwise reasonably intelligent people can be conned into believing there is a pilot shortage.


That should be somebody's sigline
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 3:07:12 AM EST
I just flew a 4 day trip on contract where I made more per day than a regional FO makes per week.

It's just so sad at the regional level. The only good news is times are changing some as evidenced by training completion bonuses. This time last year Express Jet had a pool of 2000 applicants to interview from. A few weeks ago that pool was 23.

Eventually they'll be forced to pay a liveable wage. Hopefully pilots aren't programmed out of the cockpit by then.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 3:16:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
I just flew a 4 day trip on contract where I made more per day than a regional FO makes per week.

It's just so sad at the regional level. The only good news is times are changing some as evidenced by training completion bonuses. This time last year Express Jet had a pool of 2000 applicants to interview from. A few weeks ago that pool was 23.

Eventually they'll be forced to pay a liveable wage. Hopefully pilots aren't programmed out of the cockpit by then.


There is going to be a much smaller pool of ATP rated pilots. Hard to pilot mill to ATP standards and those who have earned the ATP aren't going to fly for 20 grand a year. It's past time the regionals pay a liveable wage.

Kit Darby has been making crap up, has been for many years
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 3:37:36 AM EST
Well I guess the majors need to nut up and find applicants. Maybe buy a few Kingairs and start doing training on their own dime. There are such things as employment contracts and non compete clauses you know. Could be easily done following a military type training program. Airline transportation is a national security issue I would be cool with a small subsidy to the airlines for this type of training. Who in the blue fuck can afford to pay for 1500 hours of PIC time for a < 50 grand a year job.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 3:50:13 AM EST
I contemplated dropping out after my 1st year of college to pursue an aviation career. After reading the book "Squawk 7700" I'm glad I stuck it out and got the engineering degree instead.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 3:51:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By chadjetlag:
and those who have earned the ATP aren't going to fly for 20 grand a year. It's past time the regionals pay a liveable wage.


I dunno about that... I've seen plenty of CFI's jump ship from a decent paying instructing job to the right seat of a Brasilia (and they paid for their own training!), just because it was 'turbine time', and made half the money as a FO they did as a CFI
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:57:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By jcncc:
Well I guess the majors need to nut up and find applicants. Maybe buy a few Kingairs and start doing training on their own dime. There are such things as employment contracts and non compete clauses you know. Could be easily done following a military type training program. Airline transportation is a national security issue I would be cool with a small subsidy to the airlines for this type of training. Who in the blue fuck can afford to pay for 1500 hours of PIC time for a < 50 <30 grand a year job.


FIFY
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:58:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By FB41:
Originally Posted By chadjetlag:
and those who have earned the ATP aren't going to fly for 20 grand a year. It's past time the regionals pay a liveable wage.


I dunno about that... I've seen plenty of CFI's jump ship from a decent paying instructing job to the right seat of a Brasilia (and they paid for their own training!), just because it was 'turbine time', and made half the money as a FO they did as a CFI


What is the long term upside for a CFI? Not everyone can become a DE.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 6:35:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By chadjetlag:
Originally Posted By jcncc:
Well I guess the majors need to nut up and find applicants. Maybe buy a few Kingairs and start doing training on their own dime. There are such things as employment contracts and non compete clauses you know. Could be easily done following a military type training program. Airline transportation is a national security issue I would be cool with a small subsidy to the airlines for this type of training. Who in the blue fuck can afford to pay for 1500 hours of PIC time for a < 50 <30 grand a year job.


FIFY


So for half the money you could get a degree in Asian Womens Studies and have a chance at a higher paying job. Frackin sad.

Link Posted: 11/12/2012 7:10:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By jcncc:So for half the money you could get a degree in Asian Womens Studies and have a chance at a higher paying job. Frackin sad.


And not be responsible for anyone's life.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 7:15:02 AM EST
If there was any justice in this world, anyone ever using the term "pilot shortage" would get an immediate karmic kick in the junk.


Link Posted: 11/12/2012 8:48:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740


I assume those are monthly salaries and regional differentials are not included. The top end is good, not great, but the entry levels are insane. 20k for an ATP ticket is embarrassing..
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 8:57:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740


I assume those are monthly salaries and regional differentials are not included. The top end is good, not great, but the entry levels are insane. 20k for an ATP ticket is embarrassing..


I don't know what you mean by "regional differentials." Those are the biggest regional airlines, to my knowledge. 7900 a month might not be bad in the midwest, but its not a real great salary in NY or LA. Also, there aren't a lot of guys at that top end...perhaps fewer than 15% of the pilot group.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 9:01:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/12/2012 9:01:39 AM EST by Screechjet1]
Originally Posted By esa17:
And not be responsible for anyone's life.


Honestly, I always felt that was the least of the issue.

Two high stress work evaluations per year.
Two potentially career ending medical evaluations per year.
No stability in schedule.
No stability in employment.
The Seniority system.
The likely requirement to commute.
The FAA.
The TSA.

But, yeah. I know a person that got on with Accenture in 2006-7 with a Business degree starting in the mid 50s. She's never had to make a life-or-death decision in her professional life.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 9:31:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:But, yeah. I know a person that got on with Accenture in 2006-7 with a Business degree starting in the mid 50s. She's never had to make a life-or-death decision in her professional life.


I'm just floored the flying public isn't outraged, especially after those high profile incidents. How can they feel safe sitting in the back of a $50m jet trusting their life to a guy whose effective pay rate is $8/hr.

Most people pay their baby sitter more than that. But, the absolute worst part is we (pilots) are responsible for all of it.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 9:36:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Most people pay their baby sitter more than that. But, the absolute worst part is we (pilots) are responsible for all of it.


Not all.

The FAA bears a huge part of the blame, as do the Unions (considering them distinct from the pilots at large, for the moment.)

But yeah, its a crime.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:03:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:32:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/12/2012 4:33:11 PM EST by M82Assault]


Your link is borked. Arfcom death by double dash

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/106265- -transat-air-canada-and-westjet-denounce-sunwing-s-use-of-foreign-pilots

Copypasta link left cold, and a space is between the double dash.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:33:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By JimEb:
I contemplated dropping out after my 1st year of college to pursue an aviation career. After reading the book "Squawk 7700" I'm glad I stuck it out and got the engineering degree instead.


I read that book, and even though he brings up some valid points about the industry, I found the author to be a whiney bitch. He tries to paint himself as the only competent pilot at every company he tried to work for. And his constant references to "being in command of an airliner", when he was training as an FO don't paint his attitude in a very good light. I'd love to hear the other side of his stories.

Oh ya, and Kit Darby can suck it. I had a FAPA membership for several years, back in the day.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:34:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By M82Assault:


Your link is borked. Arfcom death by double dash

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/106265- -transat-air-canada-and-westjet-denounce-sunwing-s-use-of-foreign-pilots

Copypasta link left cold, and a space is between the double dash.


Thanks, bro!

I usually check them, myself.
Link Posted: 11/12/2012 4:36:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740


I assume those are monthly salaries and regional differentials are not included. The top end is good, not great, but the entry levels are insane. 20k for an ATP ticket is embarrassing..


If by "regional differences" you mean a pay differential for being based in a high cost of living area, those don't exist in the airline industry. A pilot is paid the same, if he is based in Dallas, New York, DC or Spencer, IA.



Link Posted: 11/13/2012 4:35:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740


I assume those are monthly salaries and regional differentials are not included. The top end is good, not great, but the entry levels are insane. 20k for an ATP ticket is embarrassing..


If by "regional differences" you mean a pay differential for being based in a high cost of living area, those don't exist in the airline industry. A pilot is paid the same, if he is based in Dallas, New York, DC or Spencer, IA.





Great Lakes reference! Triple word score!
Link Posted: 11/14/2012 4:34:14 AM EST
I completed a phone interview for a HANDS ON cargo company yesterday fly twin engine turbines....Their base pay was $11,500

Pilot shortage my ass. I think you're going to see wages in he 135 world plummet because of that new 1500hr rule coming due.

Why the hell does our government go out of its way to legislate liveable wages out of existence?
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 8:35:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
I completed a phone interview for a HANDS ON cargo company yesterday fly twin engine turbines....Their base pay was $11,500

Pilot shortage my ass. I think you're going to see wages in he 135 world plummet because of that new 1500hr rule coming due.

Why the hell does our government go out of its way to legislate liveable wages out of existence?


Please tell me they pay bonuses if the shipper wants the cargo to get there.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 9:07:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2012 9:08:45 AM EST by esa17]
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Please tell me they pay bonuses if the shipper wants the cargo to get there.


They tried to sell me some business about being "able to make a good wage" with per diem payments. It would probably work if you never ate anything while away from home.

I'm an ATP A&P who has more self esteem than I do desire to fly a turbine so I politely declined the second interview.
Link Posted: 11/15/2012 12:32:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:But, yeah. I know a person that got on with Accenture in 2006-7 with a Business degree starting in the mid 50s. She's never had to make a life-or-death decision in her professional life.


I'm just floored the flying public isn't outraged, especially after those high profile incidents. How can they feel safe sitting in the back of a $50m jet trusting their life to a guy whose effective pay rate is $8/hr.

Most people pay their baby sitter more than that. But, the absolute worst part is we (pilots) are responsible for all of it.


There's always someone who will be willing to fly for less than you...the 'race to the bottom', so to speak. Pay, work rules, in all categories.

And unfortunately, the same people who are outraged by things like the Colgan crash will be the first to squeal if ticket prices go up 10 dollars.

It can be a shitty business to be in.
Link Posted: 11/16/2012 4:37:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Threecard:
There's always someone who will be willing to fly for less than you...the 'race to the bottom', so to speak. Pay, work rules, in all categories.

And unfortunately, the same people who are outraged by things like the Colgan crash will be the first to squeal if ticket prices go up 10 dollars.

It can be a shitty business to be in.


I almost feel guilty for turning down the job since I am out of work with a baby on the way but I would be doing my family a HUGE disservice by taking a job like that. I've got to do whats best for them and that's not caving to the first job that comes along.

When more people start toeing that line wages will go up.
Link Posted: 11/16/2012 8:06:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
I completed a phone interview for a HANDS ON cargo company yesterday fly twin engine turbines....Their base pay was $11,500

Pilot shortage my ass. I think you're going to see wages in he 135 world plummet because of that new 1500hr rule coming due.

Why the hell does our government go out of its way to legislate liveable wages out of existence?


I make more than that as a counter drone in a large retail store... working part time.
Link Posted: 11/16/2012 8:33:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Threecard:
There's always someone who will be willing to fly for less than you...the 'race to the bottom', so to speak. Pay, work rules, in all categories.

And unfortunately, the same people who are outraged by things like the Colgan crash will be the first to squeal if ticket prices go up 10 dollars.

It can be a shitty business to be in.


I almost feel guilty for turning down the job since I am out of work with a baby on the way but I would be doing my family a HUGE disservice by taking a job like that. I've got to do whats best for them and that's not caving to the first job that comes along.

When more people start toeing that line wages will go up.


IMHO, you made the right choice. Good job taking care of your family and congratulations on the incoming new member!
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 3:43:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Threecard:
There's always someone who will be willing to fly for less than you...the 'race to the bottom', so to speak. Pay, work rules, in all categories.

And unfortunately, the same people who are outraged by things like the Colgan crash will be the first to squeal if ticket prices go up 10 dollars.

It can be a shitty business to be in.


I almost feel guilty for turning down the job since I am out of work with a baby on the way but I would be doing my family a HUGE disservice by taking a job like that. I've got to do whats best for them and that's not caving to the first job that comes along.

When more people start toeing that line wages will go up.


Don't feel guilty. That's an accident looking for a place to happen.
Link Posted: 11/19/2012 8:36:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By esa17:
And not be responsible for anyone's life.


Honestly, I always felt that was the least of the issue.

Two high stress work evaluations per year.
Two potentially career ending medical evaluations per year.
No stability in schedule.
No stability in employment.
The Seniority system.
The likely requirement to commute.
The FAA.
The TSA.

But, yeah. I know a person that got on with Accenture in 2006-7 with a Business degree starting in the mid 50s. She's never had to make a life-or-death decision in her professional life.



Don't forget $150k for school and ratings.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 3:12:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
What does a regional carrier pay a captain these days?


Anywhere from 40-80k, generally speaking. Some more, some less.

ETA. First year and top out pay.

American Eagle - $1,875 / $7,560
Atlantic Southeast - $1,725 / $8,025
Colgan - $1,950 / $7,950
Comair - $1,650 / $7425
Express Jet- $1,725 / $7275
Horizon - $2,175 / $9,075
Mesa✈ - $1,444 / $7,904
Mesaba✈ - $1,950 / $7,950
Pinnacle✈ $1,950 / $7,950
Republic✈* - $1,725 / $8,925
Skywest $1,650 / $7,950
Trans States $1,540 / $5,740



Pretty sad.

My wife use to fly regionals. She quit flying regionals, went thru A&P school. She now makes more money as an A&P.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 5:23:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By hardridincwby28:

Pretty sad.

My wife use to fly regionals. She quit flying regionals, went thru A&P school. She now makes more money as an A&P.


While I appreciate the value of a good mechanic as much as anyone, that's just stupid.

I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.

It's still stupid.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 6:11:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 6:13:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.


To me, the most enjoyable part of aviation became the successful working of complex maintenance problems with maintainers I trusted.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 5:58:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.


flying in alaska would probably fit the bill.
how is your life insurance?
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 6:53:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/23/2012 6:53:15 AM EST by esa17]
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.


flying in alaska would probably fit the bill.
how is your life insurance?


I flew out of Skagway (See avatar) for 7 months, thought I was a good pilot before I got there. My life insurance policy became improved stick and rudder skills. None of the outfits in Juneau would let me be "both" as much as I wanted to be.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 6:54:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.


flying in alaska would probably fit the bill.
how is your life insurance?


I flew out of Skagway (See avatar) for 7 months, thought I was a good pilot before I got there. My life insurance policy became improved stick and rudder skills. None of the outfits in Juneau would let me be "both" as much as I wanted to be.


Only in aviation is a credential like an A&P considered a black mark.

When you think of the implications of that, you shouldn't get on an airplane.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 8:41:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Originally Posted By hardridincwby28:

Pretty sad.

My wife use to fly regionals. She quit flying regionals, went thru A&P school. She now makes more money as an A&P.


While I appreciate the value of a good mechanic as much as anyone, that's just stupid.

I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.

It's still stupid.



To be honest about it, I work in aviation myself. I only have an Airframe, and a repairman for welding. I have done some power plant work, but not enough to get a power plant. I mostly do sheetmetal structures work and welding exotic metals like inconel , titanium, stainless, etc. I make more than she than she does, even though her resume looks ten times better, and she has more ratings.
Link Posted: 11/23/2012 9:13:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
I know the answer: Everybody wants to wear sunglasses and go zoom, zoom, zoom. Nobody wants to wear eye protection and go ratchet, ratchet, ratchet.


Actually I get more satisfaction out of wrenching than I do flying. For me, flying has always come naturally but being a mechanic is mentally taxing because of all the complexities of the systems.

My problem is that when I apply to places as a mech they always ask if I'll be jumping ship as soon as the next flying gig comes along. In hindsight I probably should have waited on my ATP until I was getting a type rating. One of these days I'll find a place that lets me be both a pilot and a mechanic.


flying in alaska would probably fit the bill.
how is your life insurance?


I flew out of Skagway (See avatar) for 7 months, thought I was a good pilot before I got there. My life insurance policy became improved stick and rudder skills. None of the outfits in Juneau would let me be "both" as much as I wanted to be.


Only in aviation is a credential like an A&P considered a black mark.


When you think of the implications of that, you shouldn't get on an airplane.


A pilot that knows mx and isn't afraid to get dirty is a big plus in most small corporate operations.

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