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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:35:00 PM EDT
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Missing?
None of them will go missing...ISIS will have them. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:39:02 PM EDT
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Lets just buy them a ton of .40S&W HiPoint carbines and pistols. The net effect would be the same.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:43:05 PM EDT
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There will be a liveleak video shortly that shows all those guys bound, executed, and ISIS checking out their new loot.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:43:37 PM EDT
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Missing? None of them will go missing...ISIS will have them. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:46:32 PM EDT
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Training plan:
1. Issue weapons 2. Jumping jacks 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 4:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryEvery time I see that 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 4:44:55 PM EDT
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Every time I see that <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> Quote HistoryQuoted:
Every time I see that <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:27:49 PM EDT
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How many of these rifles will go "missing"? Do these Iraqi guys have any idea what they are doing with them and the gear? They look like schlubs to me. Easy for me to say behind a keyboard though I guess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etugaqUaiqU Schulbs? Yes. When Obama had the US pull-out of Iraq, the Iraqi army was not ready or able to handle the Islamic State forces. It was a cake walk and they were running away leaving behind free Humvees, guns, ammo, etc. Total joke. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:32:37 PM EDT
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Schulbs? Yes. When Obama had the US pull-out of Iraq, the Iraqi army was not ready or able to handle the Islamic State forces. It was a cake walk and they were running away leaving behind free Humvees, guns, ammo, etc. Total joke. Didn't the iraqi army run away from their very first fight despite outnumbering them 10-1 or something ridiculous? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:39:18 PM EDT
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the magazines should be loaded with 5.56 that will explode the whole gun when the iraqis drop them and isis tries to use them
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:41:33 PM EDT
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God, I can't imagine what the true number is of American $ wasted on Iraq.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:44:03 PM EDT
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God, I can't imagine what the true number is of American $ wasted on Iraq. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_thinking.gif border=0 align=middle> That's something I don't even want to know. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:47:54 PM EDT
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I cant imagine trying to wear body armor and use an A2 stock.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:50:04 PM EDT
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My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. This and they will have those stocks cut off within a week. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 6:54:08 PM EDT
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I cant imagine trying to wear body armor and use an A2 stock.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle> That's why my plate carrier was a godsend. Being 5'7" I kept getting yelled at for not squaring up to my target when I had the interceptor and MTV armor with my M16A4. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:23:06 AM EDT
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This and they will have those stocks cut off within a week.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_noSmile.gif border=0 align=middle> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. This and they will have those stocks cut off within a week.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_noSmile.gif border=0 align=middle> True. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryLOL. The third guy from the left in the main group looks like he is tap dancing, and absolutely tearing it up. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:31:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe guy on the far right revealed at the last |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:34:17 AM EDT
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What camo pattern (or nationality is) is that dude with the beard, handing out helmets, wearing @ 1:30 ?
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:36:54 AM EDT
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Didn't the iraqi army run away from their very first fight despite outnumbering them 10-1 or something ridiculous? That has everything to do with trying to train the Iraqi Army like they were Midwest farmboys rather than Mesopotamian tribesmen. The officers get the position due to influence and status, their men are not from the same tribe or family, so they do not care about their men and take little thought to actually making certain they are fed or equipped. The men do not trust their officer because he is not from their tribe, nor do they trust the men around them. When the first platoon got hit and their officer went down (killed or wounded) and his men didn't have that direct authority figure ready to shoot them for running, they made like jackrabbits. Everyone around them saw them running and . . . they shattered like glass. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:38:00 AM EDT
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My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. what the hell is wrong with them that they can't even do jumping jacks correctly? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:41:05 AM EDT
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Missing? None of them will go missing...ISIS will have them. This. (if sunni). Goes to Iranians or supporters (JAM etc) if shiite. I'd give the Kurds weapons. The rest of Iraqi security forces or militias? Let the Iranians arm their surrogates. Why would we give them the ability to wipe out their sectarian and/or ethnic rivals if/when ISIS is pushed out? We are co-belligerents with the Iraqi army now. Not allies. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:55:19 AM EDT
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I liked the gas mask fit check
Much quicker than the ones I've had to do.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:09:51 AM EDT
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(The flag of Hezbollah) |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMaybe jumping jacks are hard when their sphincters are stretched from the night before.... |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:22:45 AM EDT
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I was MiTT 2007-2008.
The IA are fucking worthless, fuck em all |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:47:01 AM EDT
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The problem with the Iraqi army is that it is made up of Iraqis. While there are a very few well trained,equipped and motivated outfits like the Golden Division,the majority have never wanted to do anything but collect a little paycheck to send home. Boys from Basra didn't give a shit about Mosul and weren't going to fight for it,so they ran;even with the advantage of outnumbering IS greatly and having the benefit of armor,artillery and air power. Nothing means anything without the will to fight. There was never anything the US could do to change the social elements that led to the collapse,it was just Iraqis being Iraqis and unless there has been a 3rd party force the give them backbone,the end result was always going to be throwing away their gear and weapons in piles and running home.
This is entirely another topic but many act as if the US had a choice regarding a SOFA with Iraq while Souleimani pulled the strings. No,he wanted the US gone and wanted his militias to be the real power brokers in Iraq. The situation that exists is exactly what Iran desired,other than being a bit more difficult to defeat the Sunnis than they bargained. Current estimates are that there are between 10-20k IS fighters left between Syria and Iraq. However many that are left have essentially ground the assault on Mosul to a stop. The Iraqis tried a coup de main last week and this was the result: laagered up in a manner which left their vehicles useless and the inevitable result. 
It's not lack of equipment,it's lack of using it in remotely the right manner. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:51:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHeck of a windfall; you'd think those terrorists would appreciate the US for the help, but then they might have to admit they're in bed with the great satan. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:54:53 AM EDT
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The problem with the Iraqi army is that it is made up of Iraqis. While there are a very few well trained,equipped and motivated outfits like the Golden Division,the majority have never wanted to do anything but collect a little paycheck to send home. Boys from Basra didn't give a shit about Mosul and weren't going to fight for it,so they ran;even with the advantage of outnumbering IS greatly and having the benefit of armor,artillery and air power. Nothing means anything without the will to fight. There was never anything the US could do to change the social elements that led to the collapse,it was just Iraqis being Iraqis and unless there has been a 3rd party force the give them backbone,the end result was always going to be throwing away their gear and weapons in piles and running home. http://rudaw.net/ContentFilesArchive/135155Image1.jpg This is entirely another topic but many act as if the US had a choice regarding a SOFA with Iraq while Souleimani pulled the strings. No,he wanted the US gone and wanted his militias to be the real power brokers in Iraq. The situation that exists is exactly what Iran desired,other than being a bit more difficult to defeat the Sunnis than they bargained. Current estimates are that there are between 10-20k IS fighters left between Syria and Iraq. However many that are left have essentially ground the assault on Mosul to a stop. The Iraqis tried a coup de main last week and this was the result: laagered up in a manner which left their vehicles useless and the inevitable result. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzExhA6XUAA6xI_.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzExhA7XUAEpkU6.jpg It's not lack of equipment,it's lack of using it in remotely the right manner. Arab militaries arabing |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:34:19 PM EDT
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Is there an Iraqi EBay?
.......I want an ACOG. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:47:18 PM EDT
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what the hell is wrong with them that they can't even do jumping jacks correctly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. what the hell is wrong with them that they can't even do jumping jacks correctly? I don't know; I've given up trying to understand it. Most have never tried or been told to do anything in an organized manner in their lives. To use a sporting analogy, if you throw something to an Afghan they will usually let it fall; they won't even make an attempt to catch it since they never played "catching" sports. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:53:40 PM EDT
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The problem with the Iraqi army is that it is made up of Iraqis. While there are a very few well trained,equipped and motivated outfits like the Golden Division,the majority have never wanted to do anything but collect a little paycheck to send home. Boys from Basra didn't give a shit about Mosul and weren't going to fight for it,so they ran;even with the advantage of outnumbering IS greatly and having the benefit of armor,artillery and air power. Nothing means anything without the will to fight. There was never anything the US could do to change the social elements that led to the collapse,it was just Iraqis being Iraqis and unless there has been a 3rd party force the give them backbone,the end result was always going to be throwing away their gear and weapons in piles and running home. http://rudaw.net/ContentFilesArchive/135155Image1.jpg This is entirely another topic but many act as if the US had a choice regarding a SOFA with Iraq while Souleimani pulled the strings. No,he wanted the US gone and wanted his militias to be the real power brokers in Iraq. The situation that exists is exactly what Iran desired,other than being a bit more difficult to defeat the Sunnis than they bargained. Current estimates are that there are between 10-20k IS fighters left between Syria and Iraq. However many that are left have essentially ground the assault on Mosul to a stop. The Iraqis tried a coup de main last week and this was the result: laagered up in a manner which left their vehicles useless and the inevitable result. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzExhA6XUAA6xI_.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzExhA7XUAEpkU6.jpg It's not lack of equipment,it's lack of using it in remotely the right manner. Anytime someone (like McCain) says something about equipping so-and-so, I say this. This. It is inexplicable, but they have no inherent will to fight nor the ability to grasp the concept of fighting. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:07:10 PM EDT
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We left behind a shit ton of modern weapons and equipment for the North Vietnamese communists which they put to good use against their neighbors...and lots found their way to Cuba
to be put to use in Central and South America |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:24:50 PM EDT
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More of our tax dollars wasted.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:31:29 PM EDT
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We left behind a shit ton of modern weapons and equipment for the North Vietnamese communists which they put to good use against their neighbors...and lots found their way to Cuba to be put to use in Central and South America There are occasionally M16s and the odd M60 or M79 showing up in Mexico that were once revolutionary aid to the FARC,ELN,FMLN from Vietnam by way of Cuba. Some of those guns have a bunch of wars in them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWho is that and why does he have what appears to be an M1 Abrams tank? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:48:43 PM EDT
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This makes me fucking sick.
So many people need to be strung the fuck up over this type of shit. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 4:00:14 PM EDT
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... Most have never tried or been told to do anything in an organized manner in their lives. ... Raised on a little farm with a few goats, no electricity, no radio, no TV, never met more than 20-30 people in his life. No sports, never went to a school, barber shop, doctor... and now he's a soldier. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:17:44 PM EDT
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^ Well said. Raised on a little farm with a few goats, no electricity, no radio, no TV, never met more than 20-30 people in his life. No sports, never went to a school, barber shop, doctor... and now he's a soldier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Most have never tried or been told to do anything in an organized manner in their lives. ... Raised on a little farm with a few goats, no electricity, no radio, no TV, never met more than 20-30 people in his life. No sports, never went to a school, barber shop, doctor... and now he's a soldier. You left out one of the most important ones: never driven anything with an engine in it. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:28:47 PM EDT
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Who is that and why does he have what appears to be an M1 Abrams tank? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Who is that and why does he have what appears to be an M1 Abrams tank? We gave them those, too. Which lead to things like this: 
Kinda funny (sad) to think about, isn't it: we gave the Iraqis M1 Abrams MBTs...and they "lost" them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:49:28 PM EDT
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Didn't the iraqi army run away from their very first fight despite outnumbering them 10-1 or something ridiculous? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Schulbs? Yes. When Obama had the US pull-out of Iraq, the Iraqi army was not ready or able to handle the Islamic State forces. It was a cake walk and they were running away leaving behind free Humvees, guns, ammo, etc. Total joke. Didn't the iraqi army run away from their very first fight despite outnumbering them 10-1 or something ridiculous? Why would you fight against the soldiers of Allah in their holy jihad against the Great Satan? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 7:52:21 PM EDT
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I don't know; I've given up trying to understand it. Most have never tried or been told to do anything in an organized manner in their lives. To use a sporting analogy, if you throw something to an Afghan they will usually let it fall; they won't even make an attempt to catch it since they never played "catching" sports. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thought exactly...the toughest training job I ever had. what the hell is wrong with them that they can't even do jumping jacks correctly? I don't know; I've given up trying to understand it. Most have never tried or been told to do anything in an organized manner in their lives. To use a sporting analogy, if you throw something to an Afghan they will usually let it fall; they won't even make an attempt to catch it since they never played "catching" sports. Allah wills it. That single phrase shapes their entire culture. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 6:18:10 AM EDT
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We gave them those, too. Which lead to things like this: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br2szHYCEAA7nkW.jpg Kinda funny (sad) to think about, isn't it: we gave the Iraqis M1 Abrams MBTs...and they "lost" them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is that and why does he have what appears to be an M1 Abrams tank? We gave them those, too. Which lead to things like this: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br2szHYCEAA7nkW.jpg Kinda funny (sad) to think about, isn't it: we gave the Iraqis M1 Abrams MBTs...and they "lost" them. JFC. Who had the bright idea to give them M1 tanks?? It is not like they are known to maintain their shit equipment. Yet we expect them to maintain high-class stuff? And NOT turn it over to their fellow Muslims for the right price? What a debacle. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 6:25:50 AM EDT
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More of our tax dollars wasted. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 6:30:07 AM EDT
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I cant imagine trying to wear body armor and use an A2 stock. I carried an A-2 for about the first three months of my first deployment. I was doing convoy security. Lots of fun finding a place to put that thing in an uparmored HMMWV that is full of commo equipment, BFT, water, MRE's, ammo cans, EOF kit....etc. Plus 4 extremely smelly dudes. When they finally gave me an M-4 it was like Christmas in July. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:38:41 PM EDT
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The Saudi Army and NG are also getting their shit pushed in despite having fancy equipment.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:49:39 PM EDT
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The Saudi Army and NG are also getting their shit pushed in despite having fancy equipment.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVSDxPo7KNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdK5LBHDAu8in 1940, France had more and better tanks than Germany, but zee Germans had better imagination and the balls to use it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:02:18 PM EDT
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God, I can't imagine what the true number is of American $ wasted on Iraq. The Great Obamy's out to win another Nobel Peace Prize. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:41:51 PM EDT
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They might as well have taken all the money they spent on the uniforms, the rifles, the ammo, the armor, the trucks, the tanks, the explosives, the gear and the time spent training them, and just fucking blew it all on hookers and blow.
Would've been a far more useful waste of the money. 
I can't get an M16 for less than 20 grand. Yet the gov't is just throwing them away, or hell, at this point they're giving half of them to ISIS. It's a sick joke. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:19:22 PM EDT
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The root problem is that we've lost the knack of producing decent soldiers among the allies we take under our wing.
The Brits knew how; look for examples in the Gurkhas, many of the Indian regiments, and the Jordanian Arab Legion. You can't just throw money at the problem, spend six months in training, and walk away--Which is what the Obama administration basically did. The Bush plan was to keep American troops in Iraq for training and mentoring for a long damn time, which was realistic. But, what happened as soon as we left was that the Iraqis we'd trained stopped getting paid, went home, and got replaced by a shitload of newbies that never got trained, and whose officers were basically just there for the graft opportunities. The ISIS guys came in, the officers fled, and the rank-and-file took off, too. The Iraqi Army that fled Mosul was not the Iraqi Army we trained. Those guys had evaporated by that time, and due mostly to the fact that the central government in Baghdad wanted them to. Iranian influence partially, corruption mostly. |
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