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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:59:35 AM EDT
Looks like the Iran nuclear issue will be resolved one way or another.
Understandable why Israel can not afford to let the current radical and terrorist instigating regeim in IRAN get the “bomb”

Rich V
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Israelis urge U.S. to stop Iran's nuke goals
By David R. Sands
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 30, 2005

The United States and its allies must act to stop Iran's nuclear programs -- by force if necessary -- because conventional diplomacy will not work, three senior Israeli lawmakers from across the political spectrum warned yesterday.
As a last resort, they said, Israel itself would act unilaterally to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear arms.
Iran will not be deterred "by anything short of a threat of force," said Arieh Eldad, a member of Israel's right-wing National Union Party, part of a delegation of Knesset members visiting Washington this week.
"They won't be stopped unless they are convinced their programs will be destroyed if they continue," he said.
Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said the best hope was for the United States and other major powers to make it clear to Iranian leaders now there was "no chance they will ever see the fruits of a nuclear program."
"Threats of sanctions and isolation alone will not do it," said Mr. Steinitz.
Yosef Lapid, head of the centrist opposition Shinui Party in the Knesset, added that Israel "will not live under the threat of an Iranian nuclear bomb."
"We feel we are obliged to warn our friends that Israel should not be pushed into a situation where we see no other solution but to act unilaterally" against Iran, he said.
Mr. Steinitz, a member of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's ruling Likud Party, stopped just short of a direct threat to bomb suspect Iranian nuclear sites.
Mr. Steinitz said Israeli officials estimate that Tehran is only two to three years away from developing a nuclear bomb and that time was running out for the world to act.
"We see an Iranian bomb as a devastating, existential threat to Israel, to the entire Middle East, to all Western interests in the region," he said.
"Despite all the different circumstances, we see similarities to what happened in the 1930s, when people underestimated the real problem or focused on other dangers. For us, either the world will tackle Iran in advance or all of us will face the consequences." The Bush administration has led the diplomatic campaign to pressure Iran, claiming the Islamic regime for two decades has secretly pursued a nuclear arsenal. The board of the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency in Vienna over the weekend concluded Iran had violated international pledges on its nuclear programs and said the matter could be referred to the U.N. Security Council.
Iranian officials harshly condemned the resolution and insist the country has the right to pursue a peaceful nuclear program to meet its energy needs.
Israel has acted unilaterally before to halt a nuclear program by a hostile neighbor, bombing Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981. Widely condemned at the time, the surprise raid is now credited with dealing a major setback to Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions.
Mr. Eldad said Israelis across the political spectrum see Iran as the country's most serious threat and one that cannot be ignored.
But he added that unilateral action by Israel was the "worst possible scenario," likely to inflame opinion throughout the Muslim world.
"If we have to do it, we'll do it," he said with a shrug. "If the United States and the world community do it, there is a chance the issue can be contained. If Israel has to do it alone, there is no chance the conflict can be contained."
Mr. Lapid said he was sensitive to criticism that Israel was trying to push Washington into a potentially armed conflict with Iran that many Americans now oppose.
"Our mission is to point out the dangers we see, to ourselves and to our friends," he said. "Avoiding speaking the truth does not mean you can then avoid facing the consequences of those facts," he said.
The lawmakers met with their U.S. counterparts, as well as with senior administration officials, saying they highlighted the Iranian danger in all their meetings.
Asked if he thought the message got through, Mr. Steinitz said, "I did not get the feeling we were talking to the walls."


Link Posted: 9/30/2005 4:48:30 AM EDT
Someone is going to have to do it. Us, them, doesn't matter much in the long run. Any way you slice it, Muslims with nukes is bad juju.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:45:32 AM EDT
Think we can get old-fashioned Christians In Action over there to cause an "accidental" explosion within Iranian territory?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 5:56:24 AM EDT
Screw that. Lets the Israelis take on Iran. We've done enough to help them and we're over extended in the Middle East as it is. Israel has the power to do what needs to be done, let them do it.

Time for someone other than us to have to step up to the god damn plate for once.

Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:06:14 AM EDT
The problem with Israel calling on the US to do something about a nuclear weapon in Iran is the US's "preemption" policy is discredited. The fact that none of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have shown up yet makes it next to politically impossible for the US to launch an attack based on intelligence that hasn't yet produced a real, live weapon in Iran. After the WMD intelligence debacle in Iraq, the world is on a "seeing is believing" mode.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:09:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCommissioner:
After the WMD intelligence debacle in Iraq, the world is on a "seeing is believing" mode.

Why should US political leaders worry about "world opinion" in matters of national defense? Those foreigners aren't US citizens, they don't vote, and they don't pay taxes. Screw 'em, bombs away!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:21:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:50:47 AM EDT
My view:
Without the support of a few of our “allies” (European, Russia, anybody?) in an real effort to stop Iran’s nuke development it will progress to fruition. At that point, with the current Iranian government, it is only a matter of time until we see one used somewhere. We know this and so do the Israelis. ( as do the French, Germans and Russians they just don’t see themselves as a target - yet)
If we act alone, a very tough choice for many reasons, we risk destabilizing the “friendly” Arab states and an escalation of state sponsored terrorism in the Moslem countries with grave implications to oil exports from the middle east. If the Israelis act alone, assuming they can do the job without our help and with conventional weapons, it could start another Israeli - Arab war at worst or have a similar effect as the US acting alone at best.
Without some concerted effort from the so called “civilized world” to stop this nuclear arms race I fear we will see one of the “bad choices” made and suffer the consequences.

Rich V
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:53:40 AM EDT
Hey Israelis, do it yourselves! We give you enough $$$$, wht the hell are we spending all that $$$ for anyway?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:57:38 AM EDT
Hell yeah! Let the Izzys take care of it, they've been waiting to kick some ass w/o our permission.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:00:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Hell yeah! Let the Izzys take care of it, they've been waiting to kick some ass w/o our permission.



That's right and being our "allie" shouldn't be a god damn spectator sport.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:24:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4: That's right and being our "allie" shouldn't be a god damn spectator sport.
I'm also curious how those new Made-in-TX Israeli-spec F-16 Block ABCDEFG works out in an actual combat mission over enemy territory.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:32:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
here's a thought. how about isreal deal with it. it's in their backyard.



if we gave our blessing, they'd do it in a heartbeat
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:16:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
here's a thought. how about isreal deal with it. it's in their backyard.



if we gave our blessing, they'd do it in a heartbeat



Heartbeat? I was hoping it wouldn't take more than a flash of seering light and extreme heatwave.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:18:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4:
Screw that. Lets the Israelis take on Iran. We've done enough to help them and we're over extended in the Middle East as it is. Israel has the power to do what needs to be done, let them do it.

Time for someone other than us to have to step up to the god damn plate for once.




God, I love all the armchair/commando/experts who make statements like this and they have no clue as to whether it is true or not.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:19:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCommissioner:
The problem with Israel calling on the US to do something about a nuclear weapon in Iran is the US's "preemption" policy is discredited. The fact that none of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have shown up yet makes it next to politically impossible for the US to launch an attack based on intelligence that hasn't yet produced a real, live weapon in Iran. After the WMD intelligence debacle in Iraq, the world is on a "seeing is believing" mode.



The only debacle is the clowns who keep repeating this bullshit. If you don't believe they were there, or are possibly still buried there, it's only because you don't want to.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 8:37:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By M4:
Screw that. Lets the Israelis take on Iran. We've done enough to help them and we're over extended in the Middle East as it is. Israel has the power to do what needs to be done, let them do it.

Time for someone other than us to have to step up to the god damn plate for once.




God, I love all the armchair/commando/experts who make statements like this and they have no clue as to whether it is true or not.



Ah, the village idiot showed up to play with his own poop again! Welcome back Larry!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:02:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 9:03:09 AM EDT by LARRYG]

Originally Posted By M4:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By M4:
Screw that. Lets the Israelis take on Iran. We've done enough to help them and we're over extended in the Middle East as it is. Israel has the power to do what needs to be done, let them do it.

Time for someone other than us to have to step up to the god damn plate for once.




God, I love all the armchair/commando/experts who make statements like this and they have no clue as to whether it is true or not.



Ah, the village idiot showed up to play with his own poop again! Welcome back Larry!



I love it.........the armchair commando/expert calls me the village idiot after he makes moronic remarks on a subject about which he knows nothing.

You call me an idiot. You want to see a real moron, look in a mirror.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:05:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
here's a thought. how about isreal deal with it. it's in their backyard.



if we gave our blessing, they'd do it in a heartbeat


Trust me, if they really felt it was needed they would do it with out our approval.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:27:45 AM EDT
Will the Village Idiot and Armchair Commando please refrain from getting this thread locked?
Take it to the pit if you want to insult each other.

Thanks
Rich V
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:40:12 AM EDT
When the Izzys make it over Teheran, they're going to do it on fumes, unless we allow them to refuel...
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:45:10 AM EDT
.......(whistle sound here)....... BOOM !


We can use it as a proving ground for our nuclear bunker buster bombs which are in development. :-)



Let's let France, Germany and Russia do the deed. After all, they are the ones who sold them the equipment, materials and other technology.


(just kidding, THAT's not gonna happen - but it should)



Refer them to the Security Council for possible sanctions - how PATHETIC!
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:07:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2005 12:09:27 PM EDT by Jarhead_22]
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:40:50 PM EDT
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