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Posted: 9/21/2004 2:35:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:40:10 PM EST

I'm not quite sure what you mean? "tragic accident"?

Please expand on that.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:41:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:42:58 PM EST
Go Israel. They rock. I have a good buddy who spent a year in the IDF Infantry over there, and they are doing some good stuff. Anyone killing dirty Arab terrorists is good in my book.

Besides, that is their homeland and they are willing to fight for it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:51:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:51:36 PM EST
I believe he's talking about the USS Liberty.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:52:42 PM EST
I'm going out on a limb and proclaim, "I support Israel."

(Let me know if you need more.)
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:54:33 PM EST
I will just copy your title "Israel and America" and say I like the 2 together.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:58:47 PM EST
I have israel fatigue.

I wish everyone would shut up about it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:59:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:59:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:02:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:
I have israel fatigue.

I wish everyone would shut up about it.



Really... what a coinkiedink... I have Throttle-Junkie fatigue.

Yeah ,,,,, MODS!! PLEASE TACK!!! NEED TO SHUT UP ABOUT ISRAEL BECAUSE THROTTLE JUNKIE IS FATIGUED!!!

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:04:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:07:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By ZEN:
I'm not quite sure what you mean? "tragic accident"?

Please expand on that.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"



You have much to learn, young Padawan!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:07:34 PM EST
Heck I seen the Documentory on the USS Liberty . Heck who knows what happened... The US Military was as much to blame in my OPINION as anyone. The ship shouldn't been in a War Zone area with out an escort. IMO. Im pro America, and pro US Military, so lets get that straight. Why did the Commander turn the jets around that was coming to it's aid?????? There was and is things that went on that we will never know.
But for the record, how many here have Japanese cars and equipment , Chinese manufatored stuff in there home, or German cars . We all fall into one or many of that catagory. We was at War with each of these countrys..... Where's the out cry...... Im Pro Israel . WD
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:10:27 PM EST
ISRAEL ROCKS!!!


Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:23:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:
I have israel fatigue.

I wish everyone would shut up about it.



Really... what a coinkiedink... I have Throttle-Junkie fatigue.

Yeah ,,,,, MODS!! PLEASE TACK!!! NEED TO SHUT UP ABOUT ISRAEL BECAUSE THROTTLE JUNKIE IS FATIGUED!!!




I didn't propose it as a rule to be enforced.
You may natter-on about whatever you want.

The discussions are futile.
Everyone is emotionally vested in their positions, no one ever concedes any ground if their points are refuted, and in the end ....... nothing changes.

It'd be easier if folks just dug up an old thread and posted a "+1" to it every month or so.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:38:08 PM EST
Israel will alway prevail at any war it wages .This is from the Bible...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:40:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:46:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:
I didn't propose it as a rule to be enforced.
You may natter-on about whatever you want.

The discussions are futile.
Everyone is emotionally vested in their positions, no one ever concedes any ground if their points are refuted, and in the end ....... nothing changes.



I am very happy that you made this post, because at its heart, it addresses the central theme of a recurrent post of mine:


Why is it that a man who eats cat food is an oddball, but a man who eats cat shit is a pervert?


Perhaps now, with your leadership, the cat shit eaters of America will find their place in the rich tapestry of shit-eating that is your world.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:00:54 PM EST
<<< YAWN >>>

Spare us your fecal view of the world.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:06:04 PM EST
Why didn't we just honor the ORIGINAL agreement where Israel and Palestine would actually share the land? We somehow shrugged off the fact that they violated the decisions made after they were made to help them out. I ask, WTF?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:24:55 PM EST
Nuke the entire middle east....all Arab countries AND Israel...the world would be a better place..
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:31:15 PM EST
Everyone talks about how GREAT Israel is, can someone tell me one thing Israel does for the good of the United States.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:32:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By IULaw:
Nuke the entire middle east....all Arab countries AND Israel...the world would be a better place..



Genesis 12.3 " And I will Bless Them That Bless Thee and Cruse Him That Curseth Thee and In Thee(Israel) Shall All Nations of The Earth Be Blessed

Hummm...Maybe thats Kali's problem???
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:34:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 6:35:04 PM EST by Zionist]

Originally Posted By AR82:
Everyone talks about how GREAT Israel is, can someone tell me one thing Israel does for the good of the United States.




Ditto above


Edited to say the 'Blessing" part
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:35:16 PM EST

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:53:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:59:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zionist:

Originally Posted By IULaw:
Nuke the entire middle east....all Arab countries AND Israel...the world would be a better place..



Genesis 12.3 " And I will Bless Them That Bless Thee and Cruse Him That Curseth Thee and In Thee(Israel) Shall All Nations of The Earth Be Blessed

Hummm...Maybe thats Kali's problem???



I'm sooooo hooked...you got me fella...didn't know turning people into bowls was a biblical punishment tho....oh the conviction......

\Cruse\ (kr?s), n. [Akin to LG. kruus, kroos, mug, jug, jar, D. kroes, G. krause, Icel. krus, Sw. krus, Dan. kruus. Cf. Crucible, Cresset.] 1. A cup or dish.
......

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:25:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR82:
Everyone talks about how GREAT Israel is, can someone tell me one thing Israel does for the good of the United States.





Uhh, yeah........ they kill fucking terrorists

Do we NEED any other reasons.......

I think not
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:50:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:55:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Time for another Israel thread. I say it was a tragic accident. That is all.



Yes, I beleive Israel is.



Seriously, Israel presents TWO problems for me -

1. How OUR gov't subjects itself to Israels needs, and send US tax dollars there (I also have a problem with sending US tax dollars to Zimbabwe and Hunary and India and...you get the idea)
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2. The present gov't in Israel is socialist and I beleive does great injustice to the Israeli people.


But you KNEW this Just figgered I'd assure you I haven't "gone soft" yet.



Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:56:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Snipedaddy:
Israel will alway prevail at any war it wages .This is from the Bible...



Israel lost MANY battles.

SO MUCH for your knowledge of Scripture.



Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:56:54 AM EST
There are several places on Earth where "jihadists" go to do their thing.

Chechnya
Iraq
Afghanistan
Ka­smir
Israel
The United States
and a few others...

I support any country that kills these individuals.
The more they kill, the more I support them.
Right now my favorites are:

1) US (of course)
2) Israel
3) India
4) Russia

I have high hopes that Russia will be moving up in the ranking, soon....
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:57:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 3:57:42 AM EST by vito113]
I support Israel for one BIG reason… DEMOCRACY!!!!!


"In Israel the People change the Government… in every other Middle East Country the Government changes the people"


Andy
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:58:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 4:05:01 AM EST by garandman]

Originally Posted By Zionist:


Genesis 12.3 " And I will Bless Them That Bless Thee and Cruse Him That Curseth Thee and In Thee(Israel) Shall All Nations of The Earth Be Blessed

Hummm...Maybe thats Kali's problem???



Galatians 3 makes it VERY plain that the "thee" spoken of in Gen 12 was Abraham, and TODAY that promise translates to jesus Christ.

Thru Jesus Christ ALL MEN now receive the blessings of that promise. Ya see where it says "all nations"??????

The blessings of THAT promise were NEVER material, but always spiritual. The recipeints of that promise were NEVER defined by DNA but by the mercy of God accomplised by Christ Jesus.



Link Posted: 9/22/2004 4:10:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 4:17:48 AM EST

IBTETH.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 4:21:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 4:22:30 AM EST by garandman]

Originally Posted By shotar:

Yet every nation or government that tried to anihilate them ended in ruin, their culture largely disrupted or gone, yet even through millenia of Diaspora the culture of Israel remains and has been reborn yet again. Sorta says something for the will of God, doesn't it?




Many nations that have attmepted to annihialte other Gentile nations ended in ruin. Correlation DOES NOT imply causality.

Especially when you consider Germany is alive and well.

A study of the Disapora will reveal VAST intermarriage and "pollution" of the Jewish bloodline - purity of which was Biblically required.

Whatever it is we call "Jewish" today , it would be IMPOSSIBLE to prove any Biblical authority, based on bloodline, for claims to Biblical promsies by today's "Israel."

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:52:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:55:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:03:06 AM EST
Egypt - alive and well.

Germany - alive and well

Rome (Italy) - alive and well.

Russia - alive and well (Russia preceeded the Soviets and succeds the Soviets)

America - in its early days ignore the plight of Israel, and was largely what some would call anti Semitic (I trust you agree America thrives)

You made the assertion these nations "ended in ruin." OBVIOULSY not true.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:19:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:22:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 6:26:31 AM EST by garandman]

Originally Posted By shotar:

Where are the Pharoes and culture of ancient Egypt? [



Come on man.

The Colonies no longer exist either. DOES NOT mean America ceased to exist. Gov't go thru transition. - especially over thousands of years.

You are being absurd.

Thought this thread was about Israel and America

Your thread, but sheesh....

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:27:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:31:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:

Rome, its last vestige survived only by accepting a Jew as their Lord and Savior. This actually gaurenteed Jewish victory in the west as Christianity is a Jewish sect and faith.




Not exactly true. Are you saying that Jews can gain salvation outside of faith in Christ? That's contrary to most traditional Christian doctrine and Christ's own teachings (John 14:6).

Also, to say Christianity is a sect of Judiaism is EXTREMELY disingenuous. Modern Judiaism is primarily a Talmudic faith. The New Testament in its entireity pre-dates the Talmud. (The source of the Talmud is not Palestine but Babylonia, but that's another story). The content of the Talmud itself rejects the supposition that Christianity is a Jewish sect, since it upholds the Rabinical condemnation of Jesus for blasphemy at the hands of the Sanhedrin. The Talmud is, to say the least, unkind in its treatment of Jesus. St. Augstine himself warned against devotion to what he called "carnal Israel".

Probably won't go over well on this site, but the word of Jesus in the Gospels (John 14:6 and Matthew 28:18-20 in particular), in addition to the teachings of St. Paul, St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas are pretty clear on this matter.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:33:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Of course it is. America welcomes and supports the descendants of ancient Israel and in turn thrives and has grown to be the greatest nation state the world has ever known.



How do you explain the plague of abortion, homosexuality, even Liberalism - the type of Liberalism that would NOT vehemnetly condemn the types of terrorists that murder and behead Israelis and Americans ???

Are these the blessings of God on America??? We bless Israel, but is CLEAR America is under the judgment of God.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:35:45 AM EST
Jeepster -

I'm not much of a Thomas Aquinas fan, but that was well said.

Jesus is QUITE clear as to what our message to Israel SHOULD be.

NOT one of butt kissing and coddling, but encouragement to embrace their Messiah.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:36:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:38:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By Zionist:


Genesis 12.3 " And I will Bless Them That Bless Thee and Cruse Him That Curseth Thee and In Thee(Israel) Shall All Nations of The Earth Be Blessed

Hummm...Maybe thats Kali's problem???



Galatians 3 makes it VERY plain that the "thee" spoken of in Gen 12 was Abraham, and TODAY that promise translates to jesus Christ.

Thru Jesus Christ ALL MEN now receive the blessings of that promise. Ya see where it says "all nations"??????

The blessings of THAT promise were NEVER material, but always spiritual. The recipeints of that promise were NEVER defined by DNA but by the mercy of God accomplised by Christ Jesus.






Wrong again Gman! Nations are judged as a whole in this realm. Individuals are judged eternally in the next. You have a VERY shallow understanding of your God. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:39:00 AM EST
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