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Posted: 9/26/2021 4:58:31 PM EST
Anyone watching this? I’m enjoying it so far, they must have had a massive budget for this series. Seems true to the books I read years ago so far.
Link Posted: 9/26/2021 5:19:18 PM EST
[#1]
Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM:
Anyone watching this? I’m enjoying it so far, they must have had a massive budget for this series. Seems true to the books I read years ago so far.
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Really? You must not remember the books very well. The show looks great but it isn't very good in my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/26/2021 5:30:39 PM EST
[#2]
While he wrote a lot of great stuff some was pathetic, he was just trying to say: 'I'm smarter than the people reading this' and some important point of the story would be just crap.
Link Posted: 9/27/2021 10:54:28 AM EST
[#3]
Gonna watch this.  Don't want to give apple money though.

Hope it's not as bad as the "Brave new world" was.  although, boobs!

Link Posted: 10/2/2021 12:43:16 AM EST
[#4]
I may end up checking it out.  I had read a bunch of the stories and work in grade school on,
And in the early 90s went through The Trilogy, the two books which I think were doing to be a second trilogy, but were followed by two prequel novels.
The second book of the second novel ended poorly.  It definitely needed the third book to being the first two home.  A third prequel novel would have been nice- but not straight up necessary like the sequels needed.
I preferred the first trilogy and the prequel novels better than the two sequel novels.  I also got through all the robot stories and novels at that time, plus the three galactic empire novels.

He died around that time, I reread the robot series about 20 years ago, the galactic empire books about ten years ago, and the foundation books about a year ago.

I have not paid attention to any expanded universe type works like I dabbled in with the Dune universe.


Don’t read further if you are not familiar with the source work and are looking forward to it.
This is why I “might” check it out vs dying to see it.

His works obviously existed as lone threads, then tied together, with some retcon type actions, and seemingly some shifts in the the author’s personal beliefs over the decades.

Their are obvious classical and contemporaneous historical and social trends he borrows from, but

Regarding the foundation novels themselves, Chronologically, he seems to have gone from a degree of admiration and faith in mankind being driven by brilliant, rugged, determined individualists, to those needing some from of bureaucratic and authoritative management and control, that stagnates,   And must be led and saved by brilliant scientists, but with a back up plan of literal mind control, before determining the ideal fate of humanity rests in a pan humanity hive mentality, while painting individualism in a most horrific and evil manner.With all concept of a higher power painted as- except in a galactic tie in reference Bondo job- an insane concept- unless it’s a robot with supernatural powers essentially filling a benevolent god like- but allowing some but not too much- free will.  In a galaxy strangely absent of any other sapient life forms.  While foreshadowing that an obvious threat exist from such coming from other galaxies.

If the above paragraph seems choppy, confusing, and hard to follow, you’re welcome.  In 30 seconds I basically summarized the arc of five stories written in the 1940s combined into a novel in the 1950s, two novellas combined into a novel in the 50s, another two novellas combined into a novel in the 1950s,  a gap of three decades, a fourth novel, a fifth novel in the 1980s, ending chronologically on sort of a foreshadowed cliffhanger, a prequel novel written in the 1980s that is essentially a series of short stories, and another novel published posthumously  in the 1990s that is also composed of a series of short stories.- In a far shorter time than it would take to read them.

While I had a childhood love for reading about a future where I would grow up to have spaceships, blasters, robots, etc. at some point, the fun and wonder just seemed to drain from his work.  While lacking components that were a backbone of various SF genres that make it compelling without fun and excitement.

Link Posted: 10/2/2021 1:05:57 AM EST
[#5]
Like all modern adaptions of 1950's thru 1970's 'New Age' science fiction, they're going to screw it up and its going to suck. Because Apple is involved, its going to suck big time. These books can only be appreciated by READING them. Dune 1984 is a fantastic movie, that sucked. Dune 2021 just sucked. Starship Troopers.....fantastic movie, that basically took the title and bugs from the book.  Lord of the Rings was kinda OK until they tried to print money with the Hobit.
Foundation is a HUGE universe of stories. And yes the ending/underlying concept was where he ran out of ideas (there are no other intelligent life forms in the galaxy because the god/robot came up with the 0 rule of robotics and changed reality so in this universe only humans exist so we don't have to worry about aliens).
Please Hollywood, go back to making movies with the same 7 scripts you've always adapted, and leave the science fiction/fantasy books alone.
Link Posted: 10/2/2021 11:43:12 AM EST
[#6]
It is fairly decent.
Link Posted: 10/2/2021 12:00:14 PM EST
[#7]
Link Posted: 11/10/2021 9:15:57 AM EST
[#8]
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Originally Posted By Buzz69:
It is fairly decent.
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I have the Original series.

There is such a shattering amount of changes made to the story....

What happened to the KSP tattoo for starters

All the religion, too...

From what I've seen from the recaps on youtube, they have basically reworked the entire series into something entirely different.
About all they have kept are the names of people and planets.

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Link Posted: 11/19/2021 4:17:27 PM EST
[#9]
They're massively ripping off Dune for the Salvor/Gale arc now.  My first thought after the final scene.

Dune (1984 - He IS the Kwisatz Haderach)

Link Posted: 1/29/2022 8:35:59 PM EST
[#10]
I just started watching the Foundation series.  I'm on episode 5. I had low expectations for this series prior to starting it and all I can say is wow, fantastic series!
Link Posted: 3/31/2022 10:42:43 PM EST
[#11]
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
I may end up checking it out.  I had read a bunch of the stories and work in grade school on,
And in the early 90s went through The Trilogy, the two books which I think were doing to be a second trilogy, but were followed by two prequel novels.
The second book of the second novel ended poorly.  It definitely needed the third book to being the first two home.  A third prequel novel would have been nice- but not straight up necessary like the sequels needed.
I preferred the first trilogy and the prequel novels better than the two sequel novels.  I also got through all the robot stories and novels at that time, plus the three galactic empire novels.

He died around that time, I reread the robot series about 20 years ago, the galactic empire books about ten years ago, and the foundation books about a year ago.

I have not paid attention to any expanded universe type works like I dabbled in with the Dune universe.


Don’t read further if you are not familiar with the source work and are looking forward to it.
This is why I “might” check it out vs dying to see it.

His works obviously existed as lone threads, then tied together, with some retcon type actions, and seemingly some shifts in the the author’s personal beliefs over the decades.

Their are obvious classical and contemporaneous historical and social trends he borrows from, but

Regarding the foundation novels themselves, Chronologically, he seems to have gone from a degree of admiration and faith in mankind being driven by brilliant, rugged, determined individualists, to those needing some from of bureaucratic and authoritative management and control, that stagnates,   And must be led and saved by brilliant scientists, but with a back up plan of literal mind control, before determining the ideal fate of humanity rests in a pan humanity hive mentality, while painting individualism in a most horrific and evil manner.With all concept of a higher power painted as- except in a galactic tie in reference Bondo job- an insane concept- unless it’s a robot with supernatural powers essentially filling a benevolent god like- but allowing some but not too much- free will.  In a galaxy strangely absent of any other sapient life forms.  While foreshadowing that an obvious threat exist from such coming from other galaxies.

If the above paragraph seems choppy, confusing, and hard to follow, you’re welcome.  In 30 seconds I basically summarized the arc of five stories written in the 1940s combined into a novel in the 1950s, two novellas combined into a novel in the 50s, another two novellas combined into a novel in the 1950s,  a gap of three decades, a fourth novel, a fifth novel in the 1980s, ending chronologically on sort of a foreshadowed cliffhanger, a prequel novel written in the 1980s that is essentially a series of short stories, and another novel published posthumously  in the 1990s that is also composed of a series of short stories.- In a far shorter time than it would take to read them.

While I had a childhood love for reading about a future where I would grow up to have spaceships, blasters, robots, etc. at some point, the fun and wonder just seemed to drain from his work.  While lacking components that were a backbone of various SF genres that make it compelling without fun and excitement.

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That, is about the best summation of those books I have seen.  Still enjoyed the read through though.



Think I have only seen the first couple episodes of the show so far.  Follow the books, it does not.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 7:07:49 AM EST
[#12]
Season 2 is about to be shown
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 8:07:33 AM EST
[#13]
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Season 2 is about to be shown
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Waiting until mid-September to start season 2.
Link Posted: 11/13/2023 10:54:58 PM EST
[#14]
Youtube is showing clips from the shows.


Like I said previously, about the only thing from the books that have been kept are the name of the people and planets


I mean Come On Now!  The Second Foundation was supposed to be a secret.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 10:57:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
I may end up checking it out.  I had read a bunch of the stories and work in grade school on,
And in the early 90s went through The Trilogy, the two books which I think were doing to be a second trilogy, but were followed by two prequel novels.
The second book of the second novel ended poorly.  It definitely needed the third book to being the first two home.  A third prequel novel would have been nice- but not straight up necessary like the sequels needed.
I preferred the first trilogy and the prequel novels better than the two sequel novels.  I also got through all the robot stories and novels at that time, plus the three galactic empire novels.

He died around that time, I reread the robot series about 20 years ago, the galactic empire books about ten years ago, and the foundation books about a year ago.

I have not paid attention to any expanded universe type works like I dabbled in with the Dune universe.


Don’t read further if you are not familiar with the source work and are looking forward to it.
This is why I “might” check it out vs dying to see it.

His works obviously existed as lone threads, then tied together, with some retcon type actions, and seemingly some shifts in the the author’s personal beliefs over the decades.

Their are obvious classical and contemporaneous historical and social trends he borrows from, but

Regarding the foundation novels themselves, Chronologically, he seems to have gone from a degree of admiration and faith in mankind being driven by brilliant, rugged, determined individualists, to those needing some from of bureaucratic and authoritative management and control, that stagnates,   And must be led and saved by brilliant scientists, but with a back up plan of literal mind control, before determining the ideal fate of humanity rests in a pan humanity hive mentality, while painting individualism in a most horrific and evil manner.With all concept of a higher power painted as- except in a galactic tie in reference Bondo job- an insane concept- unless it’s a robot with supernatural powers essentially filling a benevolent god like- but allowing some but not too much- free will.  In a galaxy strangely absent of any other sapient life forms.  While foreshadowing that an obvious threat exist from such coming from other galaxies.

If the above paragraph seems choppy, confusing, and hard to follow, you’re welcome.  In 30 seconds I basically summarized the arc of five stories written in the 1940s combined into a novel in the 1950s, two novellas combined into a novel in the 50s, another two novellas combined into a novel in the 1950s,  a gap of three decades, a fourth novel, a fifth novel in the 1980s, ending chronologically on sort of a foreshadowed cliffhanger, a prequel novel written in the 1980s that is essentially a series of short stories, and another novel published posthumously  in the 1990s that is also composed of a series of short stories.- In a far shorter time than it would take to read them.

While I had a childhood love for reading about a future where I would grow up to have spaceships, blasters, robots, etc. at some point, the fun and wonder just seemed to drain from his work.  While lacking components that were a backbone of various SF genres that make it compelling without fun and excitement.

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Yeah, that summed it up pretty good.



Gave up on the show after the 2nd episode.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 11:18:06 AM EST
[#16]
I was sort of interested through season 1, even if it didn't follow the books well. Then Season 2 came and the Empire's Admiral just had to be gay and ram it into your face. That was it for us, we cancelled Apple TV+ and didn't look back. Nothing else worth watching there.
Link Posted: 11/21/2023 12:29:43 PM EST
[#17]
I watched it.  Was kinda hard to get into at first and I thought some of the acting was not good but the last season kinda made it worth while.
Link Posted: 11/24/2023 10:49:36 PM EST
[#18]

Spoilers


Mankind Built Rings Around the Planet with 1 Million Rooms to House 40 Billion People foundation s2
Link Posted: 11/27/2023 7:07:15 PM EST
[#19]
I remember reading "Pebble in the Sky" several times as a kid.
One of my favorite novels at the time. I read the original Foundation
trilogy but lost interest pretty quickly.
Link Posted: 12/2/2023 4:03:42 PM EST
[#20]
Great series!  I ran across this last year and was blown away at how good it was.  Watched the second season when it came out this year.  This series is better than the Wheel of Time.  Of course they didn't do a very good job with the Wheel of Time production.  Can't wait for the 3rd season of Foundation!
Link Posted: 12/19/2023 4:23:48 AM EST
[#21]
Finally watching this now.  It is Foundation in name only.

Not to say it's terrible.  The Trantor stuff is interesting.  The Terminus story has been the worst part of the show.
Link Posted: 1/7/2024 6:55:15 PM EST
[#22]
I like it. I've read the books but it has been a few decades and I'm not going to hold them to the novels if it's done well.
Link Posted: 1/10/2024 7:47:58 AM EST
[#23]
I read some of Asimov’s work back in the day and it felt to me … inaccessible? His prose took a long time to get accustomed to, and ultimately didn’t feel worth the effort in the end to me. I was much more of an Arthur C. Clarke fan.

The great thing for me is, the show has been pretty darn good for me. Writing and pacing are good, acting solid. Beautifully shot, effects are movie quality. The gay storyline seemed like something they threw in to make Tim Cook blush, not sure if that was in the source material or not.
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