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Posted: 9/12/2013 12:34:29 PM EDT
I mean do we really want people that are dumb enough to not get a drivers license or go to the polls voting? I think it ups the average IQ of the voter.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:37:52 PM EDT
it is a bs excuse made up by the libtards for when they lose and election
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:38:02 PM EDT
I'd rather base it on their credit scores rather than their IQ.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:39:30 PM EDT
Requiring ID is not "voter suppression".
Making sure military voters won't be counted is "voter suppression"
Voter suppression is bad.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:40:29 PM EDT
Ask the NBBP..............it worked well for them in Philadelphia
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:41:03 PM EDT

Voter suppression is what Obama and the IRS did by not approving tax status for Tea Party groups. Keep those groups from growing, they support the wrong side!
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:43:46 PM EDT
democrats define voter supression as " not allowing them to manufacture enough votes, by fraudulent means if necessary, to 'win' "
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:43:47 PM EDT
I oppose voter suppression but I do think everyone should show a valid id.  Not everyone can afford a car so no need for a license
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:45:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I mean do we really want people that are dumb enough to not get a drivers license or go to the polls voting? I think it ups the average IQ of the voter.
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Nope.  I'm opposed to Motor Voter and pretty much every form of voter registration drive out there.  The smaller and more elite the electorate the better.  Too bad we no longer have limited suffrage.  We could sure use it.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:46:37 PM EDT
no, it isn't
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:12:00 PM EDT
These guys think so.

Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:19:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Robja:
I oppose voter suppression but I do think everyone should show a valid id.  Not everyone can afford a car so no need for a license
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Texas offers a State ID card that is not a drivers license to all residents for a very nominal fee.

What is really outrageous it you do not have to prove US citizenship in order to register to vote.  Just simply checking the box saying you are a US citizen is all that is required.

Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:19:51 PM EDT
Voter suppression is not good, but neither is universal suffrage.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:21:49 PM EDT
Suppression?  No.


But I do think low voter turnout is probably a good thing.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:28:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:


I mean do we really want people that are dumb enough to not get a drivers license or go to the polls voting? I think it ups the average IQ of the voter.
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I'd like all my rights to be equal as well as inalinable.

 



So, a long ass form and background check to vote, and buy a gun.  Or not.




Go to the county courthouse to get "marriage license", and pick up my freedom of speech (24 hours) permit while I am there.  Or not.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 2:06:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Voter suppression is not good, but neither is universal suffrage.
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The OP seems to be using 'voter suppression' to refer to things other than the use of force or fraud to prevent or render irrelevant the votes of persons registered to vote, such as restrictions, qualifications, or simply not facilitating the registration or voting of people.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 2:14:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2013 2:16:11 PM EDT by Qweevox]
Good book.






























Quite frankly, in a democratic republic, if we didn't allow the scope of government to be so broad the "qualifications" of the voters wouldn't matter to most of you.  













It's only because of the way we've stretched, and in my opinion perverted, the meaning of "General Welfare", that this has become a problem.  





















 
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 2:15:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Qweevox:
Good book.

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Quite frankly, in a democratic republic, if we didn't allow the scope of government to be so broad the "qualifications" of the voters wouldn't matter.  

It's only because of the way we've stretched the meaning of "General Welfare", that this has become a problem.  


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It would still matter, because universal suffrage facilitates the necessary changes.  Universal suffrage is simply an unsound idea; always has been, always will be.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 2:17:26 PM EDT
I support total suppression of voting. What has it gotten us? Fucked, that's what!
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 2:44:55 PM EDT
I guess I should re-phrase the question. Is limiting suffrage good?
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 5:15:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
I guess I should re-phrase the question. Is limiting suffrage good?
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It is not just good, it is essential to having a sound polity.
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