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Posted: 9/5/2004 10:08:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 10:08:56 AM EST by urbankaos04]
From what I understand, this is due to the passage of the Campaign Finance Reform Bill. What's gives with this? We're trying establish democracy in the Middle East buy our politicos are taking away FREE SPEECH here in the US? Uh, what happened to the 1st Amendment? What are our reps thinking passing something like this? Is there anyway this can be overturned?
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:25:13 AM EST
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:25:30 AM EST
I could be wrong but I don't believe that any advertisement can mention a candidate by name from this point to the general election

Here's one for the 1'st Amendment
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:29:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.



you got that right

Granted the guy has paid his dues, but he still carries a chip on his shoulder for the pasting W put on him 4 years ago- and does so at the expense of his party and the greater good

Get the fuck over it Jmc!
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:31:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...

Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:45:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.


shows you what a douche president Bush is too....


Shows you what most politicians are capable of....
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:49:30 AM EST
What the hell does that piece of legislation accomplish other than making Americans STFU at a time when they should be able to voice their opinions at a critcial time? I swear, sometimes I wonder what the hell our elected people are thinking? Are they retarded or something?
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:58:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
From what I understand, this is due to the passage of the Campaign Finance Reform Bill. What's gives with this? We're trying establish democracy in the Middle East buy our politicos are taking away FREE SPEECH here in the US? Uh, what happened to the 1st Amendment? What are our reps thinking passing something like this? Is there anyway this can be overturned?



That's not the worst of it.

Groups like Moveon.org and the Media Fund are not restricted by this legislation. They can keep on putting out anti-bush commercials.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:59:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
I swear, sometimes I wonder what the hell our elected people are thinking? Are they retarded or something?



No, just self-serving.

The object for incumbents is to stay elected at any cost.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:00:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By guardian855:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
From what I understand, this is due to the passage of the Campaign Finance Reform Bill. What's gives with this? We're trying establish democracy in the Middle East buy our politicos are taking away FREE SPEECH here in the US? Uh, what happened to the 1st Amendment? What are our reps thinking passing something like this? Is there anyway this can be overturned?



That's not the worst of it.

Groups like Moveon.org and the Media Fund are not restricted by this legislation. They can keep on putting out anti-bush commercials.



So, what makes these bastards (Moveon.org) different from the NRA and other rights groups?
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:22:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...




Personally I think that was a Huge miscalculation on GWs part and has Nothing
to do with what he thinks about it. If he vetoes it he gives a big opening to
the other side that the media would have used to paint his ass green. He signed it
knowing it would end up in the Supreme Court.... and since it's such a no-brainer that
it violates the 1st Amendment he was gambling it would be ruled out. The PROBLEM
here is that the Supreme Court has lost it's collective mind ! They have gone on record
that they will use "World opinion and foreign law" in their future decisions.... not, I repeat NOT
restrict themselves to American Constitutional records.
Those fuckers in congress need to get their asses in gear and exercise oversight on
the Court instead of abdicating responsibility (like they do with the EPA, OSHA, etc,etc,etc...)

Oh, this is besides the fact that I thought he should have been using the veto pen and
tossing that shit back into the faces of Teddy-boy, Hillary,Leahey ,Snow ,Feingold and John
respectmeimawarhero Mccain !

McCain's a piece of trash hothead that does not deserve the office. I sent him a letter way back when they were beginning the dismantling and rape of the tobacco industry. The snotty letter I got back told me everything I needed to know about him then and I just wish the people in AZ would wise up enough to toss his ass.

rip
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:29:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.



you got that right

Granted the guy has paid his dues, but he still carries a chip on his shoulder for the pasting W put on him 4 years ago- and does so at the expense of his party and the greater good

Get the fuck over it Jmc!




+1


And nobody here will run against him...But i did write my own name on the ballot for spite
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:49:47 AM EST
My understanding is that no political advertisement by these groups can mention a candidate by name, but they can run issue oriented ads.

However, they CAN spend money on candidate ads with money raised directly from donations by individuals, just not groups.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:53:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Shows you what most politicians are capable of....




+1
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 11:58:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:

Originally Posted By guardian855:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
From what I understand, this is due to the passage of the Campaign Finance Reform Bill. What's gives with this? We're trying establish democracy in the Middle East buy our politicos are taking away FREE SPEECH here in the US? Uh, what happened to the 1st Amendment? What are our reps thinking passing something like this? Is there anyway this can be overturned?



That's not the worst of it.

Groups like Moveon.org and the Media Fund are not restricted by this legislation. They can keep on putting out anti-bush commercials.



So, what makes these bastards (Moveon.org) different from the NRA and other rights groups?



The 527 groups are exempt from the Canpaign Finance Reform Bill.

Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:04:40 PM EST
Actually, the NRA will most likely continue to make political commentary because they started their own news radio station in anticipation of this. Technically, I think its supposed to prevent everyone (including you and me) except for "Legitimate news sources" from engaging in free speech xx days prior to the election.

Unfortunately, that doesn't even address the constitutionality of the law...
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:06:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 2:06:54 PM EST by GC456]
There is a way around everything!
www.nranews.com
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:11:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...




If GWB hadn't stepped on McCain in SC back in 2000, we probably wouldn't have an AWB Sunset to look forward to.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:44:12 PM EST
After this abomination was passed by SCOTUS they started doing seminars on it for pols.

I read an in-depth report on one of them. They pols were laughing and joking around until they found out that a A LOT of the way that they did fundraising in the past would get them Felony convictions now. They got REAL somber REAL quick. I remember one of them saying "But we didn't know it would do THAT!" about some obscure restriction.

Typical. They lobby and vote for shit not having the slightest idea what it will REALLY do once passed.

I think that one day when we look back on U.S. history this law will be one of the turning points. The first time that SCOTUS said, "We can restrict the First Amendment if it's in the compelling interest of Government to do so."

If they can do this, they've set a precident for doing it again next time something like this comes up.

It frankly scares the ever-loving shit out of me.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:47:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...



always capitalize the "P" in President when referring to the leader of the free world.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:48:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By GC456:
There is a way around everything!
www.nranews.com



the problem with this is its just preaching to the choir.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 2:52:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...




If GWB hadn't stepped on McCain in SC back in 2000, we probably wouldn't have an AWB Sunset to look forward to.



gee that makes it all better

Link Posted: 9/5/2004 3:06:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By guardian855:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:

Originally Posted By guardian855:

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
From what I understand, this is due to the passage of the Campaign Finance Reform Bill. What's gives with this? We're trying establish democracy in the Middle East buy our politicos are taking away FREE SPEECH here in the US? Uh, what happened to the 1st Amendment? What are our reps thinking passing something like this? Is there anyway this can be overturned?



That's not the worst of it.

Groups like Moveon.org and the Media Fund are not restricted by this legislation. They can keep on putting out anti-bush commercials.



So, what makes these bastards (Moveon.org) different from the NRA and other rights groups?


Just the facts, mam

The 527 groups are exempt from the Canpaign Finance Reform Bill.


Link Posted: 9/5/2004 3:32:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Jeepster:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.




shows you what a douche president Bush is too ...




If GWB hadn't stepped on McCain in SC back in 2000, we probably wouldn't have an AWB Sunset to look forward to.



I call BS on that statement.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 3:51:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
shows you what a douche mccain is, eh.



Sounds like something on the menu in a french restaurant.
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