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Posted: 9/17/2005 3:20:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 3:21:02 PM EDT by JBravo223]
Is this a good deal:

M1 Garand, 1943 Springfield Armory.
Excelent wood
Rebarelled with a 20" barrel
Completely re parkarized

$400

The receiver had some pitting on the outside but has been sandblasted and refinished. You could see the pit marks but the rust is gone.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:25:15 PM EDT
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:27:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld




what is a re-weld?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:28:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld




what is a re-weld?



A receiver that's been chopped in half and later welded back together again.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:29:31 PM EDT
yes

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:29:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld




what is a re-weld?



Receivers that have been destroyed by being torch-cut in half, then somebody (some idiot, usually) later takes the two halves and welds it back together. Not something you want to shoot because of KB's and all of that.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:30:21 PM EDT
The receiver was cut and re-welded back together. Take the rifle out of the stock and turn the receiver upside down Look in the rear when the serial number is and see if you can find weld marks. If you do, it's a reweld.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:32:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 3:36:14 PM EDT by JBravo223]
didn't see any weld marks. It looks all original except for the barrel which is brand new.

He said it was used redone as a tank gun.

Does the pitting pose a problem? Or is it normal to see that on a reciever from that era? like I said it had been refinished.


btw: it is now a .308
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:36:25 PM EDT
He said it was used redone as a tank gun.

Tankers are not USGI
After market config
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:38:51 PM EDT
Pitting is comman as dirt on a Garand


I have owned over 15 with pitting, wood retaining moisture right against wood.


Unless you can see weld marks or the attemtps to clean them up (I have seen some very good jobs done, though I still woud lnot shoot them.)


If it is not a re-weld, it is cleanly refinished (or not) it is worth it, Hell just for the receiver and parts are worth the $400
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:39:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Snafu12:
He said it was used redone as a tank gun.

Tankers are not USGI
After market config



well it was converted from .3006 to .308
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:41:21 PM EDT
Does it have the .308 spacer?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:45:53 PM EDT
no spacer in the chamber, it was rebarreled with a .308 barrel
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:46:48 PM EDT
Why the hell would you convert a M1 to .308? Thats like taking a tommy gun and making it shoot 9mm.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:46:49 PM EDT
YES!


(still missing my Garand)
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:47:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 3:48:18 PM EDT by JBravo223]
there is still enough room to lay a .3006 round in the receiver but it woul not chamber
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:50:18 PM EDT
sounds like it would be a good/fun shooter. not any collector value though. btw, does it still take clips or was it converted to a magazine feed?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:50:40 PM EDT
Not a reweld, it's a good deal. M1s should not be transfered to 308, but oh well.

I have a 52 H&R, all matching, and she is by far my favorite gun. You won't be disappointed.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:51:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:52:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By grizzlyarms:
sounds like it would be a good/fun shooter. not any collector value though. btw, does it still take clips or was it converted to a magazine feed?




it still takes clips
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:04:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 4:09:22 PM EDT by atomicferret]

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By JBravo223:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld




what is a re-weld?



A receiver that's been chopped in half and later welded back together again.




Who would do such a terrible thing?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:24:11 PM EDT
see if you can test fire it. if it functions that is a great price.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:28:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
What's ya' gonna do with it?

To me the history is in a stock original not one that's been rebarreled and sandblasted.

You can get a fine weapon from the CMP program with so little effort. You hang some new wood on them if needed and you have a slice of history that you can save. They are wonderful weapons.

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=84

i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/paul1960/Weapons/StoppedNazis.jpg




I see they moved you up to Site Staff (seems a lot are being bumped these days)

HOWEVER, I also notice that you STILL use Wolf in those fine AMERICAN weapons!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:31:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By p331083:
Why the hell would you convert a M1 to .308? Thats like taking a tommy gun and making it shoot 9mm.



Obviously the US Navy thought it was a reasonable thing as they converted many of them. I have one and I doubt a .308 loses much over a 30/06. It's also a shooting SOB, the ammo is plentiful, and USGI spec as per Navy Specs.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:38:21 PM EDT
The so-called "tanker" M1's (there really was no such thing) tend to have reliability problems.

For about the same price, you can get the real thing from the CMP.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:39:29 PM EDT



get a real USGI Garand from www.odcmp.com/

.308 is a valid conversion.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:40:43 PM EDT
Every "tanker" I have seen has been problematic, for a few dollars more get a CMP Garand.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:46:40 PM EDT
what types of problems
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:48:08 PM EDT

Who would do such a terrible thing?


30 years ago, it was much more difficult to get an M-1 out of the DCM. NRA membership was mandatory, had to actively participate in matches, etc.

A re-weld was a way for Joe Sixpack to have his own M-1. There were and probably still are alot of re-welds out there.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 4:53:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
what types of problems



Functioning problems as in FTF, FTE, ect. If the Tanker was built by a competent smith I would consider it...
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:28:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By crowboy:

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
what types of problems



Functioning problems as in FTF, FTE, ect. If the Tanker was built by a competent smith I would consider it...



I really have no idea who built it. other than the pitting on the receiver it does look nice. but the receiver was pararized so I would not be able to easily spot weld marks
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:06:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By JBravo223:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Depends on who did the work, how well they did the work and make sure it is not a re-weld




what is a re-weld?



A receiver that's been chopped in half and later welded back together again.



ya know as a welder myself, i never understood the negative aspects of a rewelded reciever.
Shit if its done correctly the weld is actualy stronger and more pure then the base metal that its joining.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:13:30 PM EDT
I've seen one re-weld that was done with good results. When it was re-parked it looked great with just a small discoloration where the TIG weld was. It shot great.
I shot a re-weld M14 that had the auto stud ground off. I forgot what the firm was that did them. It was something like MJS Specialties. They were shut down by the ATF. The one M14 re-weld was done so nicely that it was hard to see the weld.

My M1 has pitting below the stock line. When I stripped it to park it, it didn't look too bad. After parking, it was hard to see the pitts.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:33:49 PM EDT
$400 is a good deal for any non Century Arms M1, if you don't have access to the CMP. But get rid of the tanker configuration. It sucks. The gas system was not meant to be shortened. The muzzle flash and blast in the tanker style are DAZZLING! Even in daylight. Barrels can be had for under $100.

By the way, my most accurate m1 is a type 2 National Match that someone put a military Springfield barrel on. It would be worth twice as much with the original barrel, but I could care less. It shoots cheap ammo and will go into the box with me when I die. And no digging me up!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:24:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 50cal:
I've seen one re-weld that was done with good results. When it was re-parked it looked great with just a small discoloration where the TIG weld was. It shot great.
I shot a re-weld M14 that had the auto stud ground off. I forgot what the firm was that did them. It was something like MJS Specialties. They were shut down by the ATF. The one M14 re-weld was done so nicely that it was hard to see the weld.

My M1 has pitting below the stock line. When I stripped it to park it, it didn't look too bad. After parking, it was hard to see the pitts.




the pitting in this one are above the stock line :( very easy to see
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