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Posted: 9/14/2005 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Not sure why, but I am reminded of Patton's comments about making the other SOB die for his country...
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Posted: 9/14/2005 5:59:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Hey, we're all going to die. It'd be nice if we could pick the time and place.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:03:49 PM EDT
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Death, in and of itself, is never noble. The sacrifice of one's life for the greater good, can be.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:06:49 PM EDT
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I believe there is such a thing as a dying nobly, just as there is living nobly. I'm not sure I can adequately explain my thoughts on the matter to satisfy everyone, but, in the end, that is not really necessary. I'm not trying to be trite, but if I have to explain, then I'm not sure it can be understood.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:07:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Dead is dead.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:09:24 PM EDT
[#6]
"Greater love hath no man than he lay down his life for his brother"........I believe this to be a noble act.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:24:28 PM EDT
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If your actions that lead to your death earn you a CMOH, It would be pretty safe to say that it was a noble death.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:29:06 PM EDT
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I agree that to be noble would have to entail giving your life for others.
The one that always gets me when I hear it on the news is a "tragic" death.  Why is that person's death tragic, while everyone else is just regular? 
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:37:31 PM EDT
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In The Sandpebbles, Steve McQueen's character faught and died to give his friends enough time to escape back to the ship. That's pretty noble.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:41:27 PM EDT
[#10]
James Snedigar died a noble death. I just wish he hadn't died.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:44:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Everyone dies. We don't want to die, but if the choice is to be a live coward or a dead hero, I think the right choice is clear. I'd rather take a bullet in the chest than one in the back.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:45:21 PM EDT
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I think that the passengers who fought the terrorists and caused the plane to crash in a field in Penn. instead of D.C. died a noble death. I think the jews who died fighting the Nazi's in the Warsaw getto died a noble death. I read all the time on this site about "Sheeple". I think saying I will fight and die rather than surrender and die is noble. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:49:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Sure, long as it ain't you.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:01:54 PM EDT
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Is there such a thing as a "Dying nobly"?
You better believe it there is. EDit: I'm here today typing on this damn keyboard because of the actions of one man. I was injured and unable to navigate under my own power. This one man helped me move from point A to point B, and placed himself between me and the danger. One man who gave his life, so I may continue mine. I watched his kids grow. I sat at The Citadel graduation of his son. He's now career Army. I gotta stop You made my eyes leak. To friends gone, but not forgotten. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:06:03 PM EDT
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I do belive one can die a noble death. To make the conscious decision to face certain death so someone else can be spared from certain death is my definition of a noble death. We all have to die sometime, but the memories of us live on. What will they remember about you? A coward will die the same as a noble man, but they will be rememberd as a coward or just forgotten about quickly.
Edit: AR15.com has taken a philosophical shift as of late |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:07:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Read a few of the stories here...www.cmohs.org/ |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:12:35 PM EDT
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Not many of us will be remembered for our accomplishments in life.
Dying a noble death is our one chance at imortality. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:13:35 PM EDT
[#18]
only if there is such a thing as living cowardly.............which I see countless examples of every day.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:23:04 PM EDT
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Can you die a noble death without living a noble life? Like if you go through life being completely selfish and useless, but in the end give up your own life so that another can live?
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:26:47 PM EDT
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Shugart and Gordon.
ARH |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:30:26 PM EDT
[#21]
Yes, but that doesn't happen too often. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:31:54 PM EDT
[#22]
When I went through OCS the walls of the classrooms were lined with plaques. There were for guys who died leading their Marines. Most iirc won the CMOH. That is living and dying nobley.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:36:09 PM EDT
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"Everyman dies. Not every man truly lives" --Braveheart promotional poster.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:38:33 PM EDT
[#24]
[ XXXXX] Yes
[ ] No [ ] Maybe [ ] Depends [ ] I don't care, I got my FEMA debit card |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:43:17 PM EDT
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You made me chuckle...Maybe the Devil is concerned with how men die, but we ought to be more concerned with how we live. If you ever get to talk with your Maker, the point at which you stopped breathing won't make much interesting conversation. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:45:37 PM EDT
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“And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the Other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verify I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise.” LUKE 23:39-43. |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 7:47:37 PM EDT
[#27]
I know a few ways that are not. Like what happened for those 34 people left behind at St. Rita's in New Orleans.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:13:40 AM EDT
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"death is death" only in that the final result is the end of life. the thing is in what leads up to the final result.
that italian hostage who said "i show you how an italian dies!" just before those raghead scum shot him is a good example. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 7:22:15 AM EDT
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, I even agree, except I'd rather take a bullet someplace not lethal (but in the front) and accomplish in life/with life what I WOULD have in death. I think that is just one of the (no pun intended) "fatal flaws" of te terrorists. Does that make sense? Yeah, SOMETIMES there IS no alternative, you do the noble thing and die, or you're a coward. I'm just more motivated, I think, to do the noble thing and cheat death. 
I almost agree, I think their deaths were noble, but I can't quite get to the "noble death", I know it's semantics, but sometimes semantics matter. Deaths were noble = since they are dead, made a valiant effort - glorifying the act, not the death. Noble deaths = glorification of death that occured for a noble cause. I don't know, still messin' w/it.
I think it's rare, but I think it happens.
I guess in a way that's sort of what I've been thinking about. (I've still got a slow burning rage about 9/11 happening - seriously - daily. I know no one who died there, personally, just burns me, but w/o consuming me. The whole anniversary has stirred it up, and the different specials on it got me thinking. However, I DO think how one dies DOES (sometimes) matter, and God DOES concern Himself w/ that on occasion, but I'd agree, more weight is likely given to how one lives. Otherwise, why would this be in the Bible?
Don't get me started. <Grr> 
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:20:45 AM EDT
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I'd rather live than die, especially now that I have a daughter. But I was looking at your post, and I'm not sure that you get the OPTION of dying nobly or living nobly. I think, if you are presented with the option of dying nobly, living your way out of that situation would be tough to do nobly. First responders have my deepest gratitude and awe, they sign on for a life of running the wrong way, ie into burning buildings, into liquor stores during holdup, etc. It's one thing to have a possible noble death present itself to you, it's totally another to hand death a radio and say "call me when you need me." |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:25:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Sure, you can die with nobility, IMHO. However, its just MY opinion, subjective. However, for the person dying I'm not sure noble is top of mind thought. It's the living that determine whether a the dead guys death was noble or not.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:30:09 AM EDT
[#32]
This dying subject always brings to mind some of the final words of Voltaire
[Priest reading the last rites] Do you renounce Satan? [Voltaire] This is no time to be making any new enemies. There is just something cool about retaining your sense of humor on your deathbed. |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:30:28 PM EDT
[#33]
That's humorous. Thanks. I think I need to change the channel while I'm taping this stuff off of the DVR... just a tad too much methinks. (And I NEED to get these off of the DVR as they are taking up... probably 23-25 hours of space (It maybe has 30 hours.) Had to go to the funeral home tonight as another lady in the church, who I've known as long as I can recall "being" I'm pretty close with most of her kids... just a bit "too much". But thanks, that's just too funny. (And I thought I was aware of most all of the REALLY "smart-ass" comments of significant historical figures... guess I missed some.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:32:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Only to the living. The dead don't know if they died nobly or not, they are fucking dead.
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Posted: 9/16/2005 8:51:14 AM EDT
[#35]
Put a lot of thought into that, didn't ya? HAHA! Just poking fun... |
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