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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:03:55 PM EDT
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theft
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:40 PM EDT
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Order it on the internet.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:43 PM EDT
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:56 PM EDT
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Yes. If it isn't transferred.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:07:41 PM EDT
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. The private seller would go through a background check when they bought it. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:08:44 PM EDT
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Fast N Furious
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:08:54 PM EDT
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LEO firearms?
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:09:20 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:09:33 PM EDT
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:18 PM EDT
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80% receiver.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:19 PM EDT
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Buddy of mine ordered a gun online, instead of shipping it to the FFL the company shipped it to his house. He took it right up to the FFL.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:58 PM EDT
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If you make your own gun.
Guns the feds carry. Guns that come over with dignitary protection guys. Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:12:03 PM EDT
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How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. Black powder. Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check. Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP? |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:14:14 PM EDT
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Black powder. Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check. Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. Black powder. Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check. Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP? You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:16:47 PM EDT
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Sure.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:17:20 PM EDT
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Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor. It's a '51, '52, '53, '54... 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:17:22 PM EDT
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You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. Black powder. Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check. Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP? You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states. I thought of it was transferred (even in state) it would have to get serialized. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:18:12 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts. You do that check for the license, but no gun purchase is subjected to it in GA and other states so the gun purchases are done without a NICS check. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:18:56 PM EDT
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If you give up your FFL, you can keep your inventory as personal firearms. So theoretically, a NIB gun that a former FFL holder sells FTF would never have a 4473 or NICS check. However, the ATF would be able to trace it to the former FFL if necessary. I would guess that's a pretty uncommon occurance.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:19:28 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check?
I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:20:24 PM EDT
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A couple I can think of....
I have a NICS exempt CHP, so I can walk in and walk out without a NICS check. That is somewhat cheating though as I have already gone through a check to get the NICS exemption Another is, Officers can order guns for duty and have them shipped to their department and take ownership without doing the 4473/NICS check |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:21:07 PM EDT
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If you give up your FFL, you can keep your inventory as personal firearms. So theoretically, a NIB gun that a former FFL holder sells FTF would never have a 4473 or NICS check. However, the ATF would be able to trace it to the former FFL if necessary. I would guess that's a pretty uncommon occurance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:21:58 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check? I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer. I'm reasonably certain the law allows for a repaired/replaced gun to be shipped directly to the consumer. Any Taurus owners want to confirm? 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:22:01 PM EDT
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bought from an ice cream truck
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:24:57 PM EDT
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80% receiver. That would be the only way that I can think of. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:01 PM EDT
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A couple I can think of.... I have a NICS exempt CHP, so I can walk in and walk out without a NICS check. That is somewhat cheating though as I have already gone through a check to get the NICS exemption Another is, Officers can order guns for duty and have them shipped to their department and take ownership without doing the 4473/NICS check But there was no NICS check done when you bought a new gun. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:16 PM EDT
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It's a '51, '52, '53, '54... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor. It's a '51, '52, '53, '54... LOL, GREAT SONG!!! 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check? I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer. Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:27:18 PM EDT
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Just wondering,
I knew some states let you purchase with a CCL, but Ohio does not (there may be new law on this that I am unfamiliar with), but I did not know of any other way to get the brand new gun without NICS. FBI said they anticipate over 22m checks this year, some of which I am sure get rejected, but many more are probably multi gun purchases for long guns or lowers. That's a nice year for 2a supporters
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:28:14 PM EDT
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One could buy a personal weapon from an FFL. An FFL can wear more than one hat. The FFL, being exempt from NICS, can transfer a gun from his dealer inventory to himself as a private individual and then sell it privately if he wishes. No problem if the FFL has held the gun for a year or more but quicker turnovers could be a problem.
Anyways: NICS isn't concerned with the gun's serial number. They only ask for info on the buyer. The serial number is on the 4473 that is retained by the dealer. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:28:18 PM EDT
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You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction. I build a new AR using an 80% lower. How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred? I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before. Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB. Black powder. Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check. Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP? You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states. Even before he explained it, I knew what he was asking. He isn't talking about someone buying one then selling it as NIB. That isn't straight from the factory nor are any of the other examples people are throwing out. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:29:25 PM EDT
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A couple I can think of.... I have a NICS exempt CHP, so I can walk in and walk out without a NICS check. That is somewhat cheating though as I have already gone through a check to get the NICS exemption Another is, Officers can order guns for duty and have them shipped to their department and take ownership without doing the 4473/NICS check They've still gone through a background check and it's really no different than someone in a state that allows a CCW to buy a handgun without NICS. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:29:31 PM EDT
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theft Read the question again. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:29:38 PM EDT
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some states if you have a ccw no need to do a NICS
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:30:03 PM EDT
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It's a '51, '52, '53, '54... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor. It's a '51, '52, '53, '54... 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:30:54 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts. This I don't go through NICS |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:31:30 PM EDT
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Obvious answer... The gun show loophole.
Duh! |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:32:34 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts. This I don't go through NICS Yep. Texas CHL means I fill out a 4473 and I'm good to go. No NICS involved. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:33:57 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts. Your way off |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:34:12 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check? I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer. The manufacturer destroys the old frame and updates the new serial number replacing the old one. In a trace, it would come up. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check? I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer. Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states. Here in Florida a nics check and FFL transfer was required when S&W replaced a defective 19 11 with a new pistol for me. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:35:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:35:47 PM EDT
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New old stock antique; very unlikely but theoretically possible. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:41:52 PM EDT
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Guns transferred from the government don't have NICS checks performed. I think this only applies if you're in a cartel or Islamic terror organization though.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:43:34 PM EDT
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Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW. Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts. NM |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:50:07 PM EDT
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Here in Florida a nics check and FFL transfer was required when S&W replaced a defective 19 11 with a new pistol for me. It actually wasn't required - but going through an FFL instead of direct to S&W made it necessary. Had you shipped the pistol direct to S&W, then S&W could have shipped a replacement directly back to you not involving an FFL at all. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:51:56 PM EDT
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Well is there? Sole proprietor FFL who goes out of business with some new guns still in stock and on hand, who later sells them off in private instate transactions. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:53:15 PM EDT
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Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you give up your FFL, you can keep your inventory as personal firearms. So theoretically, a NIB gun that a former FFL holder sells FTF would never have a 4473 or NICS check. However, the ATF would be able to trace it to the former FFL if necessary. I would guess that's a pretty uncommon occurance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yep. I do it often. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:53:51 PM EDT
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80% lower, completed and then sold.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:58:01 PM EDT
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Some C&R guns are NIB. Not sure if that meets your guidelines. |
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