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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:03:02 PM EDT
Well is there?
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:03:55 PM EDT
theft
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:40 PM EDT
Order it on the internet.

Duh.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:43 PM EDT
Yes.  I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction.  I build a new AR using an 80% lower.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:05:56 PM EDT
Yes.  If it isn't transferred.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:07:41 PM EDT
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The private seller would go through a background check when they bought it.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:08:44 PM EDT
Fast N Furious
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:08:54 PM EDT
LEO firearms?
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:09:20 PM EDT
Some states let you skip the check if you have a CCW.  Of course you get a NICS check when you get your CCW, so don't know if you think this counts.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:09:33 PM EDT
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How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred?  I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before.  Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:18 PM EDT
80% receiver.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:19 PM EDT
Buddy of mine ordered a gun online, instead of shipping it to the FFL the company shipped it to his house.  He took it right up to the FFL.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:10:58 PM EDT
If you make your own gun.



Guns the feds carry.




Guns that come over with dignitary protection guys.




Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:12:03 PM EDT
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Yes.  I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction.  I build a new AR using an 80% lower.

How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred?  I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before.  Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB.


Black powder.

Or the owner made it themselves.  In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check.



Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP?
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Black powder.

Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check.



Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP?
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Yes.  I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction.  I build a new AR using an 80% lower.

How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred?  I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before.  Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB.


Black powder.

Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check.



Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP?

You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:16:47 PM EDT
Sure.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:17:20 PM EDT
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It's a '51, '52, '53, '54...
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You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states.
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Yes.  I buy a NIB gun from a private seller in a face to face transaction.  I build a new AR using an 80% lower.

How does an actual new in box gun get to a private seller without being transferred?  I'm talking new, from the factory, never been owned before.  Not something that some one bought at a dealer, never fired, then sold as NIB.


Black powder.

Or the owner made it themselves. In which case it can't be transferred, but is still on the streets without a check.



Trying to get around a recent felony conviction, OP?

You could decide you don't want it before you use it and sell it FTF in most states.


I thought of it was transferred (even in state) it would have to get serialized.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:18:12 PM EDT
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You do that check for the license, but no gun purchase is subjected to it in GA and other states so the gun purchases are done without a NICS check.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:18:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:19:28 PM EDT
Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check?

I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:20:24 PM EDT
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If you give up your FFL, you can keep your inventory as personal firearms. So theoretically, a NIB gun that a former FFL holder sells FTF would never have a 4473 or NICS check. However, the ATF would be able to trace it to the former FFL if necessary. I would guess that's a pretty uncommon occurance.

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Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics

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Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:21:58 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check?

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I'm reasonably certain the law allows for a repaired/replaced gun to be shipped directly to the consumer.  

Any Taurus owners want to confirm?


Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:22:01 PM EDT
bought from an ice cream truck
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That would be the only way that I can think of.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:01 PM EDT
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A couple I can think of....

I have a NICS exempt CHP, so I can walk in and walk out without a NICS check.  That is somewhat cheating though as I have already gone through a check to get the NICS exemption
Another is, Officers can order guns for duty and have them shipped to their department and take ownership without doing the 4473/NICS check
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But there was no NICS check done when you bought a new gun.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:16 PM EDT
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It's a '51, '52, '53, '54...
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Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor.


It's a '51, '52, '53, '54...

LOL,

GREAT SONG!!!

Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:27:18 PM EDT
Just wondering,

I knew some states let you purchase with a CCL, but Ohio does not (there may be new law on this that I am unfamiliar with), but I did not know of any other way to get the brand new gun without NICS.

FBI said they anticipate over 22m checks this year, some of which I am sure get rejected, but many more are probably multi gun purchases for long guns or lowers.

That's a nice year for 2a supporters
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:28:14 PM EDT
One could buy a personal weapon from an FFL. An FFL can wear more than one hat. The FFL, being exempt from NICS, can transfer a gun from his dealer inventory to himself as a private individual and then sell it privately if he wishes. No problem if the FFL has held the gun for a year or more but quicker turnovers could be a problem.

Anyways: NICS isn't concerned with the gun's serial number. They only ask for info on the buyer. The serial number is on the 4473 that is retained by the dealer.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:28:18 PM EDT
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Read the question again.

Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:29:38 PM EDT
some states if you have a ccw no need to do a NICS
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Manufacturer sample that fell off the conveyor.


It's a '51, '52, '53, '54...


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This

I don't go through NICS
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:31:30 PM EDT
Obvious answer... The gun show loophole.  

Duh!

Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:32:34 PM EDT
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I don't go through NICS


Yep. Texas CHL means I fill out a 4473 and I'm good to go. No NICS involved.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:33:57 PM EDT
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Your way off
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:34:12 PM EDT
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check?

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The manufacturer destroys the old frame and updates the new serial number replacing the old one. In a trace, it would come up.
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Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states.
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Does a frame issued to replace one with a different SN as part of a warranty repair go through an NICS check?

I've never encountered this scenario before that didn't just result in a gun buyback on behalf of the manufacturer.


Good point, and I don't believe they would in most states.


Here in Florida a nics check and FFL transfer was required when S&W replaced a defective 19 11 with a new pistol  for me.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:35:47 PM EDT

New old stock antique; very unlikely but theoretically possible.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:41:52 PM EDT
Guns transferred from the government don't have NICS checks performed. I think this only applies if you're in a cartel or Islamic terror organization though.
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NM
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It actually wasn't required - but going through an FFL instead of direct to S&W made it necessary.

Had you shipped the pistol direct to S&W, then S&W could have shipped a replacement directly back to you not involving an FFL at all.
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Sole proprietor FFL who goes out of business with some new guns still in stock and on hand, who later sells them off in private instate transactions.
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Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics

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If you give up your FFL, you can keep your inventory as personal firearms. So theoretically, a NIB gun that a former FFL holder sells FTF would never have a 4473 or NICS check. However, the ATF would be able to trace it to the former FFL if necessary. I would guess that's a pretty uncommon occurance.

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Sole proprietor FFL's can transfer from their business inventory to their personal inventory without a nics

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Yep. I do it often.
Link Posted: 11/4/2015 9:53:51 PM EDT
80% lower, completed and then sold.
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Some C&R guns are NIB.  Not sure if that meets your guidelines.
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