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Posted: 10/7/2004 12:00:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 12:03:00 AM EST by _Ugly_]
The last Al-Quaida tape was made by his second in command.

"The tape urged young Muslims to fight on even if al-Qaida leaders were killed or captured. "You, youth of Islam, this is our message.""

I have a hard time believing that Osama would let his 2nd publish tapes without him being in them. It urged the young to fight "even if it's leaders were killed".

Has there been any evidence of Osama being anything but a bloodstain on a cave floor for months?

I say he's dead. He's been dead. He will always be dead.

Can anyone PROVE me wrong?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:04:04 AM EST
Cant be proven either way really,

Probaly worse if he is dead, since we most likely will never find him then,
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:07:01 AM EST
Bush has alreay caught him and they're wait to announce this a few day before the election.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:07:44 AM EST
OBL has been seen alive. He has not been seen dead. So, until evidence is presented to the contrary, he is presumed alive.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:10:25 AM EST
I'll believe that POS is dead when a field biologist finds his fucking tooth in a piece of Jackal shit
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:16:11 AM EST
He is alive, all the major news companies have said so. If its on TV it has to be the truth. Anyway John Edwards said its Bush's fault that he wasnt captured way back. Those Democrats must be so smart, they said everything would be perfect if they were in power.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:25:34 AM EST
A "megalomaniac" would not let his 2nd take his spotlight.

A "megalomaniac" would not call on the children to do something based on himself 'being killed'. A "megalomaniac" doesn't believe he can or will be killed.

Osama was a megalomaniac. Osama is dead.

I will piss on his effigy.

I will do this on U.N. day. just for fun.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:34:24 AM EST
Notice that before 911, his ugly ass was in front of a video camera for his "messages" to his followers constantly? He loved to make his little movies. There's hundreds of them.

Seen a tape since we went to Afghanistan? Nope. I guess he doesn't have access to a handycam?

Osama is dead or FUBAR.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:42:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
I'll believe that POS is dead when a field biologist finds his fucking tooth in a piece of Jackal shit



good one
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:44:57 AM EST
No shit.

If Osama were alive, he'd be making movies everyday. He'd be laughing at President Bush. He would, just to get him reelected. He knows Kerry won't give him the attention he needs. He knows President Bush will hunt his ass down or die trying. That twisted bitch would love it.

I'm not seeing movies everyday.

I'm not seeing movies every week or month.

He's dead. Worse case... he's so damned scared that he keeps shitting himself and his buds locked him away forever. Naw... not Osama. He's freakin' dead. A stain on the rocks created by our wonderful boys in desert camo.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:24:49 AM EST
Assume so until otherwise proven.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:46:59 AM EST
I beleive he is dead.

Proving that is MUCH more difficult.

Tho Usamas second making that tape and them telling young Muslims to fight on even if their leaders are killed IS kinda telling.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:53:57 AM EST
Personally, I think Osama bin Laden is dead and has been dead for quite some time now...
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:58:52 AM EST
But there is pleanty of evidence that we failed to kill at least two of his sons, and obviously his second the mad Egyptian Doctor.

They are the source of the bad Audio tapes. Just trying to keep the family business going.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:02:03 AM EST
He is in a jar on somebody's desk at the Pentagon.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:16:48 AM EST
For a long time I believed that we had to assume he's alive, but I'm growing more and more doubtful.
I recently read "Hunting the Jackal" by Billy Waugh (Special Forces legend and participant in the initial 2001 invasion of Afghanistan). BW states in his book that he believes that Osama was killed at Torra Borra. I'm beginning to believe him.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:31:26 AM EST
I find it very strange that in the last couple of years we havnt seen one current video of him. To try and say he has access to audio but not video is obviously bs. To say he looks bad so dosnt want to film himself (ever heard of makeup?) is bs. So the obvious answer is that he is a dead mofo!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:39:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:45:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By swingset:
Notice that before 911, his ugly ass was in front of a video camera for his "messages" to his followers constantly? He loved to make his little movies. There's hundreds of them.

Seen a tape since we went to Afghanistan? Nope. I guess he doesn't have access to a handycam?
Osama is dead or FUBAR.



+1 We haven't seen a video tape of him in years and the last ones we saw he appeared to be very sick.

He's dead!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:51:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Coolio:
For a long time I believed that we had to assume he's alive, but I'm growing more and more doubtful.
I recently read "Hunting the Jackal" by Billy Waugh (Special Forces legend and participant in the initial 2001 invasion of Afghanistan). BW states in his book that he believes that Osama was killed at Torra Borra. I'm beginning to believe him.



I wish

But I am pretty sure he has made a tape- video- since Tora Bora- in which he refers to Hussein, Iraq, and some current events that would counter the dead claim

however, that has been several months, so there is hope
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:52:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By swingset:
He loved to make his little movies. There's hundreds of them.

.




I think you've hit on something here.

Usama doesn't hate America becuase of our freedom.

He's just pissed Hollywood hasn't taken one of his little audition tapes and given him a lead role in a movie.

Like Usama bin laden in Star Wars as Han Solo (he actually would ahve made a decent wookie)

or

Usama bi Laden in Ghost as Patrick Swayzes charachter.



Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:52:42 AM EST
I agree with Rush on this one.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:54:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Guntoter:
He is alive, all the major news companies have said so. If its on TV it has to be the truth. Anyway John Edwards said its Bush's fault that he wasnt captured way back. Those Democrats must be so smart, they said everything would be perfect if they were in power.



They are right. We would be perfectly Socialist and speaking Chinesse.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:55:14 AM EST
You would think that finding a 6'4" Arab who requires dialysis would not be this tough if he were alive.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:56:47 AM EST
Either way, it's irrelevant.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:58:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:
Either way, it's irrelevant.




Bingo.

Dems paint the capture of Usama as the end of the war on terror.

FAAAAAR from it.

Hopefully, Bush will POUND them on this issue.



Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:59:05 AM EST
Wasn't he suffering from some form of kidney disorder? It is very possible that renal failure has killed him.

One of my friends is convinced, that just like a dog, when he became sick or injured he went home and is in hiding in Saudi Arabia.

Either way I hope he died screaming.


96Ag
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:00:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By Coolio:
For a long time I believed that we had to assume he's alive, but I'm growing more and more doubtful.
I recently read "Hunting the Jackal" by Billy Waugh (Special Forces legend and participant in the initial 2001 invasion of Afghanistan). BW states in his book that he believes that Osama was killed at Torra Borra. I'm beginning to believe him.



I wish

But I am pretty sure he has made a tape- video- since Tora Bora- in which he refers to Hussein, Iraq, and some current events that would counter the dead claim

however, that has been several months, so there is hope



That was more than a year ago, and also, he was never seen speeking in the video. It was a voiceover to old footage of him from earlier videos. It was pointed out by even the Arab networks (after milking it for a couple days) and they have not tried to issue such a video since, because it was so easily picked apart, even by people who WANT to beleve in OBL's countinued existance.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:10:32 AM EST
I'm aware of at least one purported post Torra Borra tape supposedly made by Osama and "confirmed" by the C.I.A. I'm not so sure I believe it. I'm not so sure that such a tape couldn't have been fabricated in a production studio. On our side, we have problems assembling real talent in Arab-English translation (Arab is one of the most difficult of the world's languages) and the C.I.A. has made mistakes before.
BW may be wrong about the specifics as to date and place, but my thoughts are that one or two pieces of evidence does not make a totally convincing case at this late date. My gut feeling is that we should have heard much more from this guy if he were still alive. - Just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:48:37 AM EST
I saw an interview in 2002 with Eric Haney and he was asked about obl's status. Note to gramar nazi's: The pos doesn't deserve capital leters.

Haney said based on his "professional observation" (not opinion and he went out of his way to make that distinction) obl had been killed at Tora Bora.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:51:36 AM EST
He's dead.

Why would he not provide a video of himself discussing current events?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:53:24 AM EST
Like I said in another thread, OBL is at the bottom of a smoking hole covered with sand and rocks.

They had an interview with the general in charge of SF on fox last week. I really got the impression from that interview that OBL has reverted back to the atomic level.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:05:17 AM EST
Many SpecOps people believe that Osama is dead. The latest admission of a tape without OBL in it, makes me wonderi if he is infact alive. I would rather have him alive and capture him than have him dead and made a martyr out of for a bunch of fucking Towel Heads to emulate. Our forces are majorly kicking ass around the world and I think it is hard to believe that we can't get to OBL. I think we either have obliterated him with bombs and his body has been moved by his own people or we have blew his ass away with a whole lot of rounds. Either way, it's hard for me to concieve that OBL is alive, well, and still conducting terrorist activities, esspecially since his egotistical self wasn't in the last video.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:09:02 AM EST
The last confirmed sighting and communications fix on Osama Bin Laden was in Tora Bora. A BLU-82 was dropped on his location. Since then we ain't heard shit from him…

He's either dead and under ton's of rock or he died shortly afterwards.

ANdy
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:13:31 AM EST
My guess ?

Dead and hidden

GM
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:17:17 AM EST
German intelligence thinks he's alive and in the border region of Paki and Afghanistan.

apnews.myway.com/article/20041007/D85IKNB81.html

Today's News.

They're still looking for Jesus and Jimmy Hoffa.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:19:53 AM EST
Something I saw in his #2 mans face during the last tape released.......
I think he's dead.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:22:33 AM EST
Naw! He's dead… US played this card and trumped him…



Andy
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:26:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By _Ugly_:
The last Al-Quaida tape was made by his second in command.

"The tape urged young Muslims to fight on even if al-Qaida leaders were killed or captured. "You, youth of Islam, this is our message.""

I have a hard time believing that Osama would let his 2nd publish tapes without him being in them. It urged the young to fight "even if it's leaders were killed".

Has there been any evidence of Osama being anything but a bloodstain on a cave floor for months?

I say he's dead. He's been dead. He will always be dead.

Can anyone PROVE me wrong?



I can't prove you wrong, but I would think that if obl were dead (from bomb, renal failure, or whatever), the AQ would be touting him as a matyr with his image everywhere. Dying for the cause is an even bigger act of fame than living for it for these terrorists. Because the SOBs haven't called him a matyr yet, I say this is evidence that they think he is alive. Of course, he could be dead in a cave somwhere and none of his cronies might know about it.

Just my 2 cents.
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