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Posted: 8/12/2005 5:03:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:30:43 PM EDT by ThreatResponse]
I see the new black culture that is grown from poverty, crime, and declining morals may be causing a rapid dissension of our great nation. The ways our culture uses to promote products are being accepted by us and our children and have desensitized our basic moral values. i.e.; sexually explicit Movies, TV, magazines. Paris Hilton video's, Gansta Rap, Movies, Maxim Magazines, Abortion rights, Gay Marriages, Flag Burning, no Pledge of Allegiance "One Nation Under God" allowed in schools, married Presidents having extramarital sex with interns, and on and on and on.

I personally feel that we are becoming so decadent that we are causing the end of civilization. We started out so pure and have become so dirty,

The only way we can reverse this trend is to enforce moral values in our children. We need to remove the filth from their life, starting with ourselves. I was told in the military to lead by example, we all need to follow that saying. Even if you don't have children, you might be an example to someone else's child. You hold a moral responsibility.

Not once did I use the words religion or God. It doesn't matter what you believe in, a good person is someone that believes in themselves and the inherent kindness that lies within.

Just be a good person, someone that can honestly say "I am a good moral person, a benefit to mankind".

God Bless our Military, Go kick some ass!

Please don't lock, this is an open discussion. Only meant to make us think about things.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:06:41 PM EDT
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This wont last long.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:08:13 PM EDT
You may have a point, but like all great points, it's gonna piss off too many people.


IBTL
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:08:22 PM EDT
you got it down homes, ya heard?? word-up!!!! peace out bro !!
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:08:31 PM EDT
how do you define "good moral person"?

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:09:59 PM EDT
IBTL
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:10:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThreatResponse:

i.e.; sexually explicit Movies, TV, magazines. Paris Hilton video's, Gansta Rap, Movies, Maxim Magazines, Abortion rights, Gay Marriages, Flag Burning, no Pledge of Allegiance "One Nation Under God" allowed in schools, married Presidents having extramarital sex with interns, and on and on and on.




oh yeah, what does "new black culture" have to do with abortion, gay marriage, flag burning, etc.?

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:11:38 PM EDT
I have one difference otherwise you are dead on, it is not black culture it is culture in general . Decadence knows no color my friend.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:12:09 PM EDT
It started out when rap music first became popular. Give me a minute and I'll type up a few statistics.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:12:23 PM EDT
Whatchatalkinbout Willis?

It is not the black culture that is the problem, it is society in general, Primarily liberalism. Evil will eat away at a moral society a little at a time. That is what is happening. It used to be dancing like elvis, then the sould train dancers, then R and X rated movies on TV........A little at a time. What can we try next. That wasn't so bad, so we will try something a little harsher.

Don't blame any particular race. It is the nation as a whole allowing it to happen. Fix the supreme court and we may have a chance.....
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:12:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThreatResponse:
It started out when rap music first became popular. Give me a minute and I'll type up a few statistics.



you must have missed the hippies in the 60s
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:13:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.

You?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:14:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By ThreatResponse:

i.e.; sexually explicit Movies, TV, magazines. Paris Hilton video's, Gansta Rap, Movies, Maxim Magazines, Abortion rights, Gay Marriages, Flag Burning, no Pledge of Allegiance "One Nation Under God" allowed in schools, married Presidents having extramarital sex with interns, and on and on and on.




oh yeah, what does "new black culture" have to do with abortion, gay marriage, flag burning, etc.?




Because it is all non-traditional, etc.

I agree that the new black subculture is absolute crap but lets not forget that everyone else is contributing to the decline of society. The increasing problem of meth use, the divorce rate, etc.

The black culture is not the one and only downfall of society... but they do bring their own lovely blend of bullshit to the table.


And for the love of God, don't confuse "black culture" with merely being black. THAT is what is going to get this thread locked. I know some folks from the carribean and Africa and they are wonderful people.

- BG
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:14:33 PM EDT
I would say it is more of new "Urban Culture"
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:14:39 PM EDT
You're referring to the left and gangbanger glorification. This is different from "black culture" as that sounds misleading that only blacks are involved in it(many other races are involved along with suburban white kids with identity issues) and that all blacks are involved with that crap.

There are many upstanding blacks with high moral standards that I've met in my life and using the "black culture" label is very misleading and incorrect.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:16:03 PM EDT
The actual seeds of the moral decline were sown at the end of WWI when the liberals invaded the seminaries of the main line denominations. Their teachings of such heresy of 'the Bible is just a collection of good stories', 'Jesus was one of many good religious leaders', and 'the 10 Commandments really don't mean it'. The moral laxity was propogated out until the arise of humanism in the 1950/1960's and, then, the open breakdown of morality with the 'Free Love', 'Drugs are OK', and 'If it is Right for you, then it is Right' in the late 1960's& 1970s.

We are now reaping the whirl wind that was sown then. Like my grandfather said, "Sow wild oats, reap bitter weeds."

Liberalism is a cancer of the heart and a disease of the rational mind.

My 2¢,

wganz

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:16:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:18:30 PM EDT by PerryF]
"I personally feel that we are becoming so decadent that we are causing the end of civilization. We started out so pure and have become so dirty,"

We were always decadent, we wiped out an entire race of people, fullfilling are manifest destiny.

Can someone tell me the difference between are manifest destiny and Hitler's Lebensraum or "living room"?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:18:23 PM EDT
Sup' Foo'
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:21:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
I would say it is more of new "Urban Culture"



I'd go a bit farther and call it "Urban Ghetto Culture". It is not exlusively a black thing. It is more of weird belligerent entitlement thing. Plenty of black folk subscribe to it, but a fair number of stupid white people do too.

It is interesting where I don't see those kind of folks, on my morning drive to work.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:22:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:23:42 PM EDT by MachinegunManiac]

Originally Posted By PerryF:
"I personally feel that we are becoming so decadent that we are causing the end of civilization. We started out so pure and have become so dirty,"

We were always decadent, we wiped out an entire race of people, fullfilling are manifest destiny.

Can someone tell me the difference between are manifest destiny and Hitler's Lebensraum or "living room"?


The Jews never attacked Adolf Hitler or Germany. The Jews didn't cause the extinction of the previous inhabitants of Germany.

Those are the differences.

And Manifest Destiny was the conquest of FOREIGN owned laned. These lands were owned by the Spanish and French.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:22:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:26:28 PM EDT by ThreatResponse]
Look at the number of children without fathers. A majority is in Black/hispanic communities.

Think about who's selling dope on the streets? A majority is in Black communities.

Who promotes violence in their music? A majority of Black artists.

Violence committed by black athletes.

Violence in movies like Bad Boys, Boy's in the hood, Menace to society, etc..........

Who degrades their own communities with graffiti? A majority is in Black/hispanic communities

Which neigborhood are you afraid to walk in? Not the suburbs!


White people aren't off the hook either. Look at WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam. White people cause their fair share of problems also.

I use this only as research.
U.S. Census
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:23:03 PM EDT
How about the 'hero' worship of sports figures and Hollywood stars? IMHO, their public behavior is reprehensible and some people see it as okay, even to the point of emulating it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:23:36 PM EDT
Its human nature, not black culture thats to blame.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:24:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:25:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By ThreatResponse:

i.e.; sexually explicit Movies, TV, magazines. Paris Hilton video's, Gansta Rap, Movies, Maxim Magazines, Abortion rights, Gay Marriages, Flag Burning, no Pledge of Allegiance "One Nation Under God" allowed in schools, married Presidents having extramarital sex with interns, and on and on and on.




oh yeah, what does "new black culture" have to do with abortion, gay marriage, flag burning, etc.?




Because it is all non-traditional, etc.

I agree that the new black subculture is absolute crap but lets not forget that everyone else is contributing to the decline of society. The increasing problem of meth use, the divorce rate, etc.

The black culture is not the one and only downfall of society... but they do bring their own lovely blend of bullshit to the table.


And for the love of God, don't confuse "black culture" with merely being black. THAT is what is going to get this thread locked. I know some folks from the carribean and Africa and they are wonderful people.

- BG



sorry dude, porno, gays, abortions and flag burning were around long before the ghetto raper gangsta crap became popular.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:26:01 PM EDT
oh well... IBTL
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:28:03 PM EDT
"Aw Yaw Mahma's"

IBTL
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:28:10 PM EDT
is it safe yet?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:28:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:29:09 PM EDT by ThreatResponse]

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
sorry dude, porno, gays, abortions and flag burning were around long before the ghetto raper gangsta crap became popular.




We have become desensitized to these issue's because of the other issues so prevalent in our lives today.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:29:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:29:59 PM EDT by row]
I think life is just too comfortable these days. Adversity breeds strength. Comfort breeds weakness. People are caught up in their comfort food, comfort TV, comfort SUV, comfort drugs, comfort music. They just want quick self gratification. They have lost the ability to taste the sweetness of the simple core elements of a good life: family, honesty, hard work and patriotism.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:31:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:32:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?



Of other people.

About his fellow man.

You define it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:33:46 PM EDT
It's not black culture, that's a symptom. Liberalism is the cause.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:36:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?



Of other people.

About his fellow man.

You define it.



Follows all the teachings of the Koran.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:36:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I will stand FOR abortion rights to my last breath. No person can tell a woman what she can and
can not do with her body, just as no person can tell me what I can and can't do with mine.


I agree with the other points, but not with this one issue.

CJ


Problem I've had with abortions is that it's been taken too far.

I don't like abortions being made in the 1st trimester but I find it unacceptable beyond that. I also find partial birth abortion and 3rd trimester abortion horrible and appalling and it should be criminal.

Abortions encourage irresponsible behavior and the spread of AIDs and has serious psychological affects on women. Fathers have no say in the matter either. Even if they vow to support the child alone and want complete custody. And that is horrible and disgraceful.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:37:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:38:52 PM EDT by ThreatResponse]

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I will stand FOR abortion rights to my last breath. No person can tell a woman what she can and
can not do with her body, just as no person can tell me what I can and can't do with mine.


I agree with the other points, but not with this one issue.

CJ



I believe Abortion should be legal only if:

it will harm the mother.
was because of rape or incest.
if the mother is under legal age.
medically necessary
no partial birth, this is inhumane and should be outlawed.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:38:12 PM EDT
Amazing. Usually I just let ignorant, stupid troll bait go by and laugh about it. I just have to comment this time because it is so rare that I encounter something so ignorant, racist, paranoid and stupid. ThreatResponse has conjured up (take your pick: President Clinton, Blacks, Mexicans "Liberals"...) himself a convenient boogie-man to blame all of our woes on. It's easy to project all out of the challenges we face as a country on one or two minorities because it allows you to distance yourself and claim that you have nothing to do with it. Let me tell you something right now- "Black Culture" as you call it (I'm just going to assume this is the only exposure you have to blacks because you are probably terrifed of them) is a response to things that blacks are going through- not a cause. "Black Culture" is about as representative of blacks as, say, "Friends" or "The Sopranos" When some stupid-ass decides to stick up a check cashing joint, it aint because he's been listening to "The Game"-it's because he's an amoral moron. Your troll bait post makes a wide, incoherrant reaching arguement that somehow joins rap music and gay marriage. Stop blaming black people for your problems- they face enough by themselves.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:38:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?



Of other people.

About his fellow man.

You define it.



Follows all the teachings of the Koran.



Seriously, what is YOUR definition of a good person? A moral person?

Afraid to establish too high of a standard?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:39:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:39:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThreatResponse:

I believe only Abortion should be legal if:
...

was because of rape or incest.

...



make the kid pay for the crimes of the father?

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:40:36 PM EDT
Two pages??? Wow.

IBTL
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:41:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:46:59 PM EDT by ThreatResponse]
More of a concession than anything else. Incest could cause major birth defects. Where's the benefit in that?

Thecrusher: I have this to say; Look at every major city, where's a majority of the bad area's? Enough said.

The black culture promotes all of these declining morals. I get that from looking at their leadership and the communities themselves.

I know there are a majority of good moral black communities. They ignore the bad communities that is the identity of their entire race. The fact is, rather than change the bad neighborhoods they move away to a better place.

They support the artists that promote filth by allowing their children to buy their immoral products.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:44:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?



Of other people.

About his fellow man.

You define it.



Follows all the teachings of the Koran.



Seriously, what is YOUR definition of a good person? A moral person?

Afraid to establish too high of a standard?



Don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal, keep your word, respect property rights, ... probably some others. Haven't sat down and done a complete analysis yet.

I asked the question because of his line about "Not once did I use the words religion or God."

You can define pretty much whatever you want as "good and moral." E.g. Your definition of "respect others" would include men who screw each other in the ass and people who use recreational drugs as long as they ensure they're not going to harm others while doing it.

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:44:56 PM EDT
The better question is why is illegitimacy, crime, violence, poverty, illiteracy, disease, incarceration, joblessness and the like so prevalent in that demographic?
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:46:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 5:50:13 PM EDT by PerryF]

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:

Originally Posted By PerryF:
"I personally feel that we are becoming so decadent that we are causing the end of civilization. We started out so pure and have become so dirty,"

We were always decadent, we wiped out an entire race of people, fullfilling are manifest destiny.

Can someone tell me the difference between are manifest destiny and Hitler's Lebensraum or "living room"?


The Jews never attacked Adolf Hitler or Germany. The Jews didn't cause the extinction of the previous inhabitants of Germany.

Those are the differences.

And Manifest Destiny was the conquest of FOREIGN owned laned. These lands were owned by the Spanish and French.



Foreign lands, the ones that hundreds of indian tribes lived on for thousands of years, are those the ones your talking about? There unique cultures were more pure, more civil then we could ever be or have ever been, we destroyed, for are manifest destiny, no different than what Hitler Nazis did or tried to do.

All I am trying to say, is Americans aren't pure, we never were.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:49:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I will stand FOR abortion rights to my last breath. No person can tell a woman what she can and
can not do with her body, just as no person can tell me what I can and can't do with mine.


CJ



That's just stupid. All this talk about abortion and the right's of the "woman". Meanwhile it is another woman that is being murdered 1/2 the time during an abortion and you people don't give a shit about THAT human being.

You want to know the problem with this country?


WE HAVE KILLED 40+ MILLION CHILDREN SINCE ROE VS WADE AND PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING!

That's what's wrong with this country, we are full of murderers.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:54:59 PM EDT
Nicely put Sarge.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:57:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By FiveO:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
how do you define "good moral person"?




Respectful, productive and concerned.


respectful of what? Concerned about what?



Of other people.

About his fellow man.

You define it.



Follows all the teachings of the Koran.



Seriously, what is YOUR definition of a good person? A moral person?

Afraid to establish too high of a standard?



Don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal, keep your word, respect property rights, ... probably some others. Haven't sat down and done a complete analysis yet.

I asked the question because of his line about "Not once did I use the words religion or God."

You can define pretty much whatever you want as "good and moral." E.g. Your definition of "respect others" would include men who screw each other in the ass and people who use recreational drugs as long as they ensure they're not going to harm others while doing it.




Well blow me down, you are right. If they are not hurting others it does fit my definition.

Although I base my morals on a loosly Christian based standard I do not hold others to it as long it ain't fing with me and mine.
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:58:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:

There unique cultures were more pure, more civil then we could ever be or have ever been




what a load of horse shit

they were as violent and murderous as anyone

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 5:58:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 6:01:49 PM EDT
I don't blame "black culture" but the media for spreading decadence. Yep, between Time-Warner and any other group that promotes "crap" that passes itself off for entertainment, the news which doesn't inform but only serves to manipulate (and promote advertising), television, Hollywood and trash magazines (try looking at some women or teenager magazines and see if you don't start going nutz).
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