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Posted: 12/27/2012 7:34:39 AM EDT
I was reading the wiki on 5.56 and it said that ATK has supplied over 350 million rounds to the DoD.

Are these now in the field over the M855?

Anyone here use them (on deployment?) I think they look fascinating.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:17:47 PM EDT
a GD thread with no responses... a first for me
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:18:49 PM EDT
I would like to know too.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:24:48 PM EDT
in it...
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:25:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DeadSled:
a GD thread with no responses... a first for me


I've been baffled by this all day
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:27:37 PM EDT
Standard issue for US Army. It was the round that was used for Phase 2 of the IC test as well which means standard issue for the foreseeable future. The Army really loves the round, and after firing 100s of thousands of rounds in testing I'm still not 100% convinced it's superior to M855. Curious to hear from some downrange guys to see how they like it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:28:23 PM EDT
I haven't seen any yet.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:29:58 PM EDT
Any armorers reports re: barrel wear?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:32:36 PM EDT
Too big to fail

More cost...more wear...mediocre accuracy...and less terminal performance than the basic FBI duty load.

People probably got awards for this.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:32:40 PM EDT
My understanding is yes, according to reports from some friends of mine in the Army.

There's even one of those really gay Army educational videos about it you can find on YouTube.



Haven't seen any in the private sector... Would like to get my hands on some for testing.



The lead-free primer thing concerns me a bit.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:33:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 6:35:57 PM EDT by TangoPapa]
M855 is still standard issue.

ETA: My first deployment is coming up, but I have friends over there right now that are still using m855.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:36:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 6:37:11 PM EDT by TooBigToFail]
Here is a presentation on the ammo....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54709593/EPR-Briefing

I hate the inconsistent punctuation and sentence structure I make better presentations for my team of 7 people.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:38:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TooBigToFail:
Any armorers reports re: barrel wear?


Bore erosion is crazy with the A1. However, the round still has good dispersion with up to 5 inches of bore erosion. Bolt life does suffer because of the increased pressure of the round.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:44:05 PM EDT
855A1 is standard big Army issue in AFG. For the most part, it has been that way for a couple years.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:49:22 PM EDT
this I like
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:51:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FDC:
855A1 is standard big Army issue in AFG. For the most part, it has been that way for a couple years.


I fired 1000's of 50's era .50 rounds in Iraq so the current standard issue isn't always current fielded.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:51:32 PM EDT
I got it in 2010 in Afghanistan.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:53:44 PM EDT
No. SOST is for units expected tks see combat. Shit is nasty.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:56:26 PM EDT
I was deployed from March 2011 till March 2012 we had a mix of M855 and M855A1. Most just stuck to keeping the same type of rounds in a mag. So some people had a mixture of both some just 855 and some just 855A1
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:57:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DeadSled:
Originally Posted By FDC:
855A1 is standard big Army issue in AFG. For the most part, it has been that way for a couple years.


I fired 1000's of 50's era .50 rounds in Iraq so the current standard issue isn't always current fielded.


You might notice that the post is about 855A1.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:57:56 PM EDT
Marines don't use them.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:58:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aeain:
I was deployed from March 2011 till March 2012 we had a mix of M855 and M855A1. Most just stuck to keeping the same type of rounds in a mag. So some people had a mixture of both some just 855 and some just 855A1




Yeah, plenty of 855 running around. Need to shoot it up to get new stuff in.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:25:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 7:26:59 PM EDT by DeadSled]
Originally Posted By FDC:
Originally Posted By DeadSled:
Originally Posted By FDC:
855A1 is standard big Army issue in AFG. For the most part, it has been that way for a couple years.


I fired 1000's of 50's era .50 rounds in Iraq so the current standard issue isn't always current fielded.


You might notice that the post is about 855A1.


and?

just sayin there is lots of old 855 to burn before everyone gets new stock 855A1


edit - you beat me to it by 25 mins
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 10:12:08 AM EDT
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 10:49:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FedDC:
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.


Is the standard for the USMC the M855?
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 10:52:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.


Is the standard for the USMC the M855?


IIRC they're procuring the Mk.318 SOST round in pretty fair numbers, at very least as an adjunct, if not an outright replacement in rifles and carbines.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 11:03:12 AM EDT
sounds like a pretty cool round cayou buy it anywhere?
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 11:06:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.


Is the standard for the USMC the M855?


IIRC they're procuring the Mk.318 SOST round in pretty fair numbers, at very least as an adjunct, if not an outright replacement in rifles and carbines.


is that a hp?
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 11:07:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By FedDC:
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.


Is the standard for the USMC the M855?


IIRC they're procuring the Mk.318 SOST round in pretty fair numbers, at very least as an adjunct, if not an outright replacement in rifles and carbines.


is that a hp?

OTM
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 11:08:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FedDC:
The volume of 855 in US inventory is staggering. It will be with us for decades. It is still produced...

A1 has real issues including cost. I wouldn't be shocked if it dies out...especially if the Marines continue to decline it.


I've seen millions of the steel penetrator tips. I'm suprised it doesn't cost $2 per round.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 11:21:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2012 11:22:14 AM EDT by sharky30]
looks interesting, no idea how well it works
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 1:53:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sharky30:
looks interesting, no idea how well it works
http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/m855a102.jpg


That wasn't the final design if I recall... Think the Bismuth/Tin part was replaced with compressed powdered copper or some such. Projectile may be longer too.
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