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Posted: 9/17/2005 11:17:24 PM EDT
Is our society\civilization evolving or decaying.......what year would you choose to raise a child in?

would you rather have your child grow up in the current social matrix?
or would you rather have your child grow up in a past or future generation?
(sending the child into the past for purposes of this thread would have NO effect on the timeline)


Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:18:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 11:19:16 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:20:55 PM EDT
<-- Never wants to have kids. Probably a good idea anyway.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



I go for growing up in the 20s-30s, the generation that grew up in the 50s turned into the worthless hippy people where as the kids who grew up in the 20s became the WW2 greats.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:23:01 PM EDT
50s or 80s

but then, all decades had thier sh*tty phases--it just evolved into worse ones sometimes

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:56:15 PM EDT

That's a tough one.

I'd rather own the home, autos, appliances, TVs, computers and other gadgets that I have today than what the average household had or could afford in any prior generation.

If my child got sick with pneumonia or leukemia or if he needed a root canal, appendectomy, liver transplant or spinal surgery - I'd rather be here today than back in the days before even polio vaccines were around.

Culturally, there's no question pre-1990s was far better than now.

For me, it's easier to say that I would CERTAINLY not want to raise a child anywhere near the 1965-1975 era. Nothing good came of that era (except maybe when we landed on the moon and when the Tigers won the Series).

On the whole I guess from 1975-1985 would be a good time to be a kid.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:58:56 PM EDT
Somewhere in the near future. I will be raising him, thats all the matters.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:59:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 12:00:12 AM EDT by Master_Blaster]
Rome is falling yet again.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:01:45 AM EDT
I just don't think I could stand to send my child to a post 1990 American school............
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:14:52 AM EDT
Does it matter in terms of Salvation? [a metaphysical response simplifies things]

Alberto Gonzales will be the next Supreme Court Justice [DC insider consensus]. The confirmation hearings will be a bit of a let down from the artful Mr. Roberts.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:20:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 12:20:25 AM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By AROptics:
Alberto Gonzales will be the next Supreme Court Justice [DC insider consensus].

Viva Aztlan!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:27:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



I go for growing up in the 20s-30s, the generation that grew up in the 50s turned into the worthless hippy people where as the kids who grew up in the 20s became the WW2 greats.




Wouldnt have wanted to raise my kids in The Great Depression, and mine sure as shit wouldnt have turned out to be hippies
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:40:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



Yep. I was born in mid 40s and growing up in the 50s in Texas and Arizona was as good as it gets for kids.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:46:13 AM EDT
1950's for me as well. A much more free, moral, and polite society. The economy was booming and you didn't need a frigging masters degree to make a decent living free of want.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:57:04 AM EDT
Past time for me, probably late 40's or early 50's.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:59:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RustedAce:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



I go for growing up in the 20s-30s, the generation that grew up in the 50s turned into the worthless hippy people where as the kids who grew up in the 20s became the WW2 greats.



You would be surprised how few were actually "hippies". I sure do remember coming home, buying MORE bell-bottoms, and some outrageous lamb-chops and a handle-bar though.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:21:46 AM EDT
I'd like to raise my kids in the same era I was - I was born in 57.

I watched the Tigers win the Series in 68 (I still play ball, and wear Freehan's number to this day - #11)

Me and the folks I spent time with in the military were pretty much all born in the 50s - and we all are/were contributing member of society. We all still are contributing. We feel a sense of responsiblity to this country.

Granted, there were problems - but at least we still had - and still have - DECENCY. The subsequent generations, particularily the generation of the 80s, seems to be lacking that.

Guess another era would be the 30s. The Depression was bad, but some of the stories my dad has told me about growing up in Missouri would be the way I'd like to raise my kids. Unfortunately, the health care was lacking.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:22:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Decaying. Id rather have raised my kids in the 1950s.


Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.




Spot on Lumpy - my thoughts exactly.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:23:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RustedAce:
...the generation that grew up in the 50s turned into the worthless hippy people...



Hey!

I resemble the time frame mentioned.

I don't resemble the description.



Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:25:41 AM EDT
1750-1760

You all know I'm right.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:30:09 AM EDT
I love blackpowder and revolutionary war muskets and all, but I like repeating firearms better.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:33:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 3:34:04 AM EDT by Jack19]

Originally Posted By Backstop:
I'd like to raise my kids in the same era I was - I was born in 57.

I watched the Tigers win the Series in 68 (I still play ball, and wear Freehan's number to this day - #11)

Me and the folks I spent time with in the military were pretty much all born in the 50s - and we all are/were contributing member of society. We all still are contributing. We feel a sense of responsiblity to this country.

Granted, there were problems - but at least we still had - and still have - DECENCY. The subsequent generations, particularily the generation of the 80s, seems to be lacking that.

Guess another era would be the 30s. The Depression was bad, but some of the stories my dad has told me about growing up in Missouri would be the way I'd like to raise my kids. Unfortunately, the health care was lacking.



You hit the nail right on the head. Decency. I think no single word describes so well what is most missing from society today.

Remember in the early 70s when Al Kaline turned down a $100,000 contract becasue he said HE wasn't worth that much? Things have really changed.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:34:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

On the whole I guess from 1975-1985 would be a good time to be a kid.




Seeing as that was the first ten years of my life, I can confirm your hypothesis
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:52:30 AM EDT
It doesn't matter what time I raise my kids, as long as I raise my kids. But es we are on the downhill slope.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:00:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jack19:
Remember in the early 70s when Al Kaline turned down a $100,000 contract becasue he said HE wasn't worth that much? Things have really changed.


Yes I remember.



These are the original cards I got when I was a kid.

In one of her fits of rage, my ex shredded all but 2 Stormin' Norman, 3 Kaline, 1 Freehan, and one Vic Wertz cards I had. Guess I had about 50 or so Tigers cards.

I considered replacing them from Ebay, but it just wouldn't be the same.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:18:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



Cyclical?............I don't understand, please explain.
I see a continuous societal path leading down.......like the fall of once mighty Rome.
Thanks
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:49:31 PM EDT
9th Century. We'd be Vikings!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:56:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TUMOR:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Its all cyclical. Maybe 10 years from now I'll feel differently.



Cyclical?............I don't understand, please explain.
I see a continuous societal path leading down.......like the fall of once mighty Rome.
Thanks



Most societal "trends" are cyclical
however, we seem to be on\in a downward spiral............
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:00:11 PM EDT
-1 for the 20s, 30s generation. that group institutionalized socialism in America.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:02:38 PM EDT
1780s or 1790s. The intellectual giants who understood the meaning of "liberty" had just founded the greatest nation in the history of the world. True heroes existed for my children to emulate.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:12:27 PM EDT
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:13:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hughjafj:
1950's for me as well. A much more free, moral, and polite society. The economy was booming and you didn't need a frigging masters degree to make a decent living free of want.



Guess what? You still do not need a Master's degree.
Trust me.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:20:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.



Are you saying that public schools keep getting better and better?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:22:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.



Are you saying that public schools keep getting better and better?



No, I am not. And I'm not going to stay here and enumerate the measurables that form this dictum, either. But by the majority of measurable factors that gauge quality of life, yadda yadda yadda, things have very simply never been better. You can always find a reason to say the sky is falling. Try a positive outlook, it really is quite refreshing.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:31:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.



Are you saying that public schools keep getting better and better?



No, I am not. And I'm not going to stay here and enumerate the measurables that form this dictum, either. But by the majority of measurable factors that gauge quality of life, yadda yadda yadda, things have very simply never been better. You can always find a reason to say the sky is falling. Try a positive outlook, it really is quite refreshing.



Thanks, and may I suggest that you try a reality based outlook........it really is quite refreshing
there is good and bad most everywhere you look, some people can tell the difference, some can't

The original post was a question, you answered exactly opposite almost everyone else
and then you say.............just because, I know better than you negative people...pretty funny
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:40:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.



Are you saying that public schools keep getting better and better?



No, I am not. And I'm not going to stay here and enumerate the measurables that form this dictum, either. But by the majority of measurable factors that gauge quality of life, yadda yadda yadda, things have very simply never been better. You can always find a reason to say the sky is falling. Try a positive outlook, it really is quite refreshing.



Thanks, and may I suggest that you try a reality based outlook........it really is quite refreshing
there is good and bad most everywhere you look, some people can tell the difference, some can't

The original post was a question, you answered exactly opposite almost everyone else
and then you say.............just because, I know better than you negative people...pretty funny



Wow, I didn't mean to piss you off. A question was asked, I answered how I feel, and also offered that measurables are on my side. Despite a feeling of malaise(sp?), things are better. Yes, it seems I do feel differently than the vast majority on this board, which honestly, is happening with far greater frequency. Once again, so sorry to have raised your hackles, this was not my intent. We have different realities, I'm cool with that. Seeya.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:46:11 PM EDT
Not pissed, I said it was funny
I was just interested in hearing some more specifics

(looking for more information to plug into my reality based outlook)
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:47:10 PM EDT
Has someone been wathing The Village?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:48:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Donith:
Has someone been wathing The Village?



Nope, the news
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:54:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Camp_Ninja:
For some reason, every generation thinks they are at the fraying end of a decaying society. Look it up. Things just keep getting better and better, in reality. I would rather raise my children in no other time than right now.



What generation said, "80% of life is just showing up?"

Answer: The Silents. Read The Fourth Turning. Generation X has more in common with Thomas Jefferson than you realize.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 1:01:59 AM EDT
Id've Like to have grown up in the 60's..........................THE 1860's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well maybe more like the 1840's. Anytime where i would be old and dieing about the time of 1914. I point to this year as the "Rise of the super state". Prior to that the good ol gubmint actually belived it's role was just to pave roads and build forts. I could smoke all the opium i wanted and no one would give a shit. I could visit the local Bordello and no one would give a shit. Or if there were people who gave a shit (Soccar moms and Oprah types) they could'nt vote anyway!! I could carry any type of gun i wanted and only have to obey local ordinances reguarding "open carry" for my pistoleros! YEEEE-HAAAW! Oh and did I mention that taxes were low?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 1:32:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 1:33:59 AM EDT by Maxxx]
I don't have any kids so I really can't say when I would like to have had kids but rather when would like to have been a kid. I was born in 76. Young in the 80's. Teen in the 90,s. I think God put me in the perfect place at the perfect time for me. I was a lib when I was younger in school thinking I had the perfect plan on how to spend others money, but when I got older I learned that working sucked and that if I had to do it, everyone should do it.

Just a note. When collage students find out how much of there check is gone by the time Uncle Sam gets his share, many young libs start to say WTF.

Sorry for getting off topic but I have been wanting to vent that to somebody.
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