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Posted: 9/11/2005 11:14:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 11:36:40 AM EDT by bloodmoon]
Right now in my collection I have a few categories of weapons
Field rifles(a4gery, DMR A4grey, SPR)

Close Quarters Rifles-General purpose rifles(Two M4geries one close configured one field configured, Two Ak clones same as above)

Long range rifles( 308 rem PSS, 3006 rem 700)

Shotguns(mossy 590 a1)

Do I really need a 308 battle rifle category, Why did you buy a 308 rifle? What will a 308 rifle do that my 5.56 field guns are incapable of? Should I focus instead on buying more AR15 type rifles and mags or should I invest in a 308 rifle now before it is two late.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:02 AM EDT
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:08 AM EDT
Who the hell said anything about need?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:41 AM EDT

Since you've got comparable (or better) cartridges in bolt guns, I wouldn't worry about it.

Unless you WANT one - then by all means get one
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:17:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:
Who the hell said anything about need?



my thoughts exactly
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do



Faster follow up shots
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:31 AM EDT
do not use the word "need" when referring to individual liberties. Liberty itself is a luxury and a matter of "want" not "need."
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:20:09 AM EDT
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
do not use the word "need" when referring to individual liberties. Liberty itself is a luxury and a matter of "want" not "need."



EXACTLY!

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:51 AM EDT
Just get a CMP Garand, They will always be worth something as well.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep



I like the way you think.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:23:05 AM EDT

Because blam, click, shuck click isnt near as fun or cool as
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM.........................



DaddyDettt
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:23:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do



Faster follow up shots



lemmie clarify

faster followups than the bolt guns
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:25:12 AM EDT
FAL

just because

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:26:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:28:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 11:30:07 AM EDT by Zardoz]
Sylvan beat me to it:

With 5.56mm, most cars are cover; with 7.62mm, they're concealment.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:31:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:31:50 AM EDT
I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:35:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cjklekar:
I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...



Boston's Gub Bible convinced me to get a .308
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:47:29 AM EDT
.308 holes make invisable souls
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:51:55 AM EDT
You need one to punch through body armor and cars. You've heard of crooks using vests and bumpers to break in.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:55:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
.308 holes make invisable souls



Man, that's one to put in my quote book.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:57:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zardoz:
Sylvan beat me to it:

With 5.56mm, most cars are cover; with 7.62mm, they're concealment.



I think that the Mythbusters put that whole "hide behind the car" thing to bed a long time ago... and if I remember correctly they were using various weapons including those that fired 5.56 and 7.62.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:58:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By walttx:

Originally Posted By cjklekar:
I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...



Boston's Gub Bible convinced me to get a .308



+1

Then AR15.com convinced me to "Get Both"
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:59:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
.308 holes make invisable souls



Man, that's one to put in my quote book.



I've heard different versions of that saying...

- .308 holes make for for empty souls

- Invisible souls leave .308 holes.

All good quotes though.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:03:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do



Faster follow up shots



lemmie clarify

faster followups than the bolt guns



Aha, now I understand
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:04:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything



You're very worrying
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:05:23 PM EDT
With a 308Win/7.62NATO, people are going find out the difference between cover and concealment real fast because the 308Win/7.62NATO will penetrate whereas 223Rem/5.56NATO won't.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:09:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything



You're very worrying



Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:15:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything



You're very worrying



Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.

I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:17:27 PM EDT
If you already have a fast shooter for close up work,
and a large caliber rifle for anything long range,
you don't really NEED a semi .308 .

Most people wind up staying with the intermediate rifle
cartridge weapons anyway.

Personnally,I skipped the whole intermediate cartridge class
and went strait to the .308 in the first place.

Sure you can put 5.56 rounds through a car at closer ranges ,but
they are often deflected from their original target before they get there.

That's not including some cargo ,or heavier vehicles.

.308 will go through cargo ,passengers,even the wheels themselves
without a lot of problem.

Semi auto .308s make things happen .NOW.

You can stop a person,deer,bear,Buick,or a Peter Built with
a semi-auto .308.

Cinder block walls can be penetrated with it as well.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:21:18 PM EDT
I have a pre-ban AR, HK-91, Mossberg 500 and custom made 300winmag Rem 700. Each one has a specific purpose and if I have to bugout on foot and chose one rifle(and ammo) to carry over a significant distance it will be the AR. If I have to bugin the .308 is just fine for better penetration in an urban environment.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:32:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything



You're very worrying



Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.

I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.



wont do much after you dehydrate with out a good h20 filter

762 all the way here,,,,,

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:33:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By protus:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.


Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything



You're very worrying



Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.

I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.



wont do much after you dehydrate with out a good h20 filter

762 all the way here,,,,,


each kit contains survival kit many many things in survival kit filter, medkit, chemlights and a lot of other goodies far two numerous to list.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:57:24 PM EDT
I have more FALs than ARs.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:09:40 PM EDT
ARE YOU NOT A MAN?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:13:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Freakzilla:
ARE YOU NOT A MAN?

Hell I thought I was what have you heard and were are they
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:49:00 PM EDT
If I remember correctly even brick and mortar will yeild a loophole to .308 in rather short order. Not much gets between .308 and it's target.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:54:45 PM EDT
wanted to write a nuanced answer, but instead I will tag.

Short version: No. 7.62 nato not vital to survival.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 2:33:05 PM EDT
IMHO, it's a personal choice, based on what you expect to have to do with your rifles. Need doesn't really enter into it. The only thing I NEED is my right to own whatever damm rifles I want, and all of my other assorted rights.

First, there's our "toy" weapons, ones we own just because they're cool and we want them, not because we expect to have to do anything important with.

Then, you get into what you think you'll want to have for the important stuff. This is based on your personal views on why you might want to have these rifles and other survival gear. We all know the trade-offs - .308 gives you better penetration of people and cover, the ability to work at longer ranges, and greater incapaciataion power, at the price of more weight for rifle and ammo and slower rate of fire. Are you looking to survive through a local disaster, like in New Orleans? Or are you planning for a major, nationwide SHTF event? What, exactly, are you planning to do, and what are the best tools for the job?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:08:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Freakzilla:
ARE YOU NOT A MAN?



You could be right.
Maybe he's suffering from small man syndrome

BTW guys, all this talk about 7.62 vs 5.56 penetration and stopping power....how many people came back from WW2 with wounds from .30-06, 7.92 and .303????
Answer: Plenty

Mark
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:21:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:22:47 PM EDT
Hmm. I dont know about .308 But I'll take the new 6.5 grendel comming out with a 16 inch barrel that can make head shots out to 900 yards and still punch through 4 inches of pine. Or if you got the cash, the GDMR (Grendel Designated Marksmen Rifle)
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:24:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:24:21 PM EDT
I think an M1 Garand would be a nice thing to have.
It is 30-06, and when loaded with Black Tip AP Ammo...it is perfect for zapping things behind cover.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:30:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:40:03 PM EDT
To quote a fellow Arfcomer
"If it takes 20 rounds of 762 as doesnt die, It just dont die"

You need a midrange MBR,.. Try an 18" M1A.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:50:18 PM EDT
I would have a .308 before I had a .223...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:52:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:53:38 PM EDT
More thrust per squeeze?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:58:41 PM EDT
Depends. Do you want to wound or kill?
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