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Posted: 10/7/2004 10:07:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 10:11:27 AM EST by FourStringSlinger]
What say ye?

Timeframe?

Time to invest in some remote property, MRE's, more hardware?

Maybe it'll all work out?



Poll added.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:07:58 AM EST
yup
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:08:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 10:08:34 AM EST by sgthoskins]
One way to fix it is "CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDERS!"
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:08:27 AM EST
Yup!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:09:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:09:48 AM EST
Headed ???
We're circling the bowl right now.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:10:53 AM EST
When's it ever been any better?

And for whom, exactly?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:11:40 AM EST
pooper+pics
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:14:50 AM EST
We're all doomed. Everyone cut your wrists while you still have a chance...MMMMMMMMMMGHHH
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:17:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Where have you been?

Of course it's headed to Hades in a handbasket.

Pretty soon you will start to love the handbasket.

Eric The(SlouchingTowardsGomorrah)Hun



Aww, shucks ETH...I know it's FUBAR.

No matter how much I squirm, the handbasket still feels damn uncomfortable, sir. Truth is, the only thing that takes my mind off it is more guns, more gear, playing music, and spending time with the wife. Not neccesarily in that order.

I hear slouching is bad for the posture...
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:18:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By FourStringSlinger:
What say ye?

Timeframe?

Time to invest in some remote property, MRE's, more hardware?

Maybe it'll all work out?



Poll added.





Just now figured this out?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:23:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 10:25:02 AM EST by FourStringSlinger]

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By FourStringSlinger:
What say ye?

Timeframe?

Time to invest in some remote property, MRE's, more hardware?

Maybe it'll all work out?



Poll added.



Just now figured this out?



Nope. Had it figured out since I was a young kid. Just interested in everybody's opinion.

Edited for speling+content.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:24:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
One way to fix it is "CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDERS!"

righton.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:25:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgthoskins:

One way to fix it is "CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDERS!"



+1
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:32:13 AM EST
We are already in the shitter. Close the borders.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:42:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:58:41 AM EST
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:06:36 AM EST
I would say that American society is probably in a moral decline since its peak in the mid-20th century.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:06:58 AM EST
As my Cajun friends like to say, "She's a slidin' straight to hell on a greased pole."
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:11:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?



Are you serious?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:15:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?

+1

Man has never been, and will never be without problems.

However, I'll take todays problems over yesterdays anyday!!! Some of y'all have a completely glorified view of the past...

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:19:24 AM EST
I don't think it's as much as a glorified view of the past as it is a dim view of the future.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:21:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Some of y'all have a completely glorified view of the past...




It ain't about the past. It's about the future. And you're right about the luxuries that we have. But you are failing to see the Great Almighty State's intrusion into our lives, people's greed and selfishness, the general WILLFUL ignorance of the populace, the emergence of celebrity "heros", the jealousy of so many nations in the world who'd like to see the U.S. crushed (back to selfishness and greed), etc. You can stick your heads in the sand and pretend that everything's great. But there are many who watch and wait for things to get REAL ugly. And I hope that you at least have the good sense to prepare for that possibility regardless of your rose-colored lenses.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:35:02 AM EST
No, because if things get bad enough it self-corrects.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:38:51 AM EST
Heck, I'm loading up my magazines and microwaving the popcorn
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:42:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?



+1

There have always been enemies,
Science is bigger and better than it has ever been.
We have religous freedom,
We have personal freedom (within reasons of course)
We have freedom period.

I'm sure that in the civil rights era, most thought it was the road to decline.

Same with women's suffrage.

We (the U.S.A. ) are the light with which the uncivilized nations warm themselves.


Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:46:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
One way to fix it is "CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDERS!"



That won't completely fix it but it's a DAMN GOOD START!

Then we take our government back!

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:47:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 11:49:43 AM EST by DriftPunch]

Originally Posted By Red_Label:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Some of y'all have a completely glorified view of the past...




It ain't about the past. It's about the future. And you're right about the luxuries that we have. But you are failing to see the Great Almighty State's intrusion into our lives, people's greed and selfishness, the general WILLFUL ignorance of the populace, the emergence of celebrity "heros", the jealousy of so many nations in the world who'd like to see the U.S. crushed (back to selfishness and greed), etc. You can stick your heads in the sand and pretend that everything's great. But there are many who watch and wait for things to get REAL ugly. And I hope that you at least have the good sense to prepare for that possibility regardless of your rose-colored lenses.



You speak of freedom and encroaching grovernment, and to an extent you are correct. However, you neglect past transgressions probably because they didn't effect you. For example, where I live, used to be a dry county. That's correct, got boose, get arrested. Why not ask a black in AL if todays state sponsored intrusions are better or worse than yesterdays enforced segregation or even slavery if you turned back the clock far enough.

I am not disagreeing with you in that the state actively wants more control of our lives. What I am disagreeing with most of the posters on this thread about is the fact that too many view the past in an incredibly narrow context.


Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:50:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By TeuffelHunden1775:

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?



Are you serious?



Are you seriously that pessimistic?

It's the same style arguments that the Democrats use against America. We aren't absolutely perfect, therefore we're horrible tyrants. This ignores that we're by far the most benevolent and free superpower that the world has ever seen.

Sure society isn't perfect. We have our problems. Some people say that those problems mean that we're all going to hell, but almost all of those problems have always been with us, and a lot of huge ones have all but vanished in the last century or two.

For example:


Originally Posted By Red_Label:
It ain't about the past. It's about the future. And you're right about the luxuries that we have. But you are failing to see the Great Almighty State's intrusion into our lives, people's greed and selfishness, the general WILLFUL ignorance of the populace, the emergence of celebrity "heros", the jealousy of so many nations in the world who'd like to see the U.S. crushed (back to selfishness and greed), etc. You can stick your heads in the sand and pretend that everything's great. But there are many who watch and wait for things to get REAL ugly. And I hope that you at least have the good sense to prepare for that possibility regardless of your rose-colored lenses.



When have any of those things not been the case? People have always been greedy and selfish, often much more then they are now. The State has intruded much, much more in people's lives in both the near and far past. Yet we keep advancing anyways. How about the near-total disappearance of racism and sexism in this country ? And the emergence of independent media, especially through bloggers?

We're going to keep on advancing, most likely while a few pessimists still scream that we're all going to hell.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:07:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
No, because if things get bad enough it self-corrects.

GunLvr



+1

When TSHTF we will have several years of hardship and re-emerge a changed society. Let's hope that those in favor of limited government and self-reliance are the most influential policy makers in our re-emergence and the socialist types don't get a handhold in the re-building of America!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:20:32 PM EST
The Romans probably thought that all was well before they ceased to exist too. Go ahead and wear the rose colored glasses. I will prepare for the worst, and hope for the best (not optimistic about that though).
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:32:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?



When is the last time your turned on a TV? Hmmm? The brothels, lynchings and sideshows are in your LIVING ROOM.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:34:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By phatmax:
When is the last time your turned on a TV? Hmmm? The brothels, lynchings and sideshows are in your LIVING ROOM.



+1,000,000

And now they're on Sirius radio too...
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:41:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?



When is the last time your turned on a TV? Hmmm? The brothels, lynchings and sideshows are in your LIVING ROOM.



...where you can change the channel, as opposed to happening in real life, to real people, outside your front door.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:45:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:48:04 PM EST
Voting for "pooper+pics" equates to a vote for "yes".

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:48:34 PM EST

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel?
Couple of weeks ago


When was the last time you witnessed a lynching?
when I did in the neighbors dog


When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow?
Last Sunday


We are on the road to Hell, and there is no turning back..............especially if Skerry in put into office

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:54:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Post from mace -

...where you can change the channel, as opposed to happening in real life, to real people, outside your front door.

Well, weren't brothels, lynchings, etc., pretty much voluntary attendance, as well?

Was anyone drug kicking and screaming to the lynching?

Well, other than the victim?

Eric The(Well-Reasoned)Hun



That's kinda the point. If there's anything like a lynching on TV, it's all make-believe. Nobody dies. There's nobody cheering for the actual death of an actual person.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:46:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By TeuffelHunden1775:
I don't think it's as much as a glorified view of the past as it is a dim view of the future.



+1

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:52:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
I don't get it. In many ways, society is the best that it's ever been. Of course, the liberal media would like you to think everything's going to hell, but it isn't.

The world is more stable then it's ever been. There are more free democracies then there have ever been. People all over the world, including third-world countries, have better access to food and clean water then they have ever had.

Borrowing liberally from this,

When was the last time you walked a few blocks from your home and passed a brothel? I live downtown. Ho's, pimps, dealers, homeless, crazies are the predominant species in my AO.

When was the last time you witnessed a lynching? Good point. Seen some beheadings lately, though.

When was the last time you went to a carnival sideshow? There's one going on right now just down the street from me. Dead serious.

We're living in the golden ages. No man in all of history has ever had it as good as we do now, and it looks like it's going to get even better. So what, exactly, is everyone bitching about?

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:03:19 PM EST
... Heck no way!

... Life is grand and is getting better every day

... My only problem is that I'm getting older every day too
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:06:19 PM EST
NO WAY!!

- People have always cried that the "sky is falling"

- Science is making life better than it ever has been before

- Society is more educated as a whole

- The Internet connects people and information from around the world

NOTE: Society will go to the shitter if we don't start knocking some FUCKING Muslim heads!!
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 9:47:20 AM EST
15.09% For "Pooper+Pics".

LOL
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 9:59:15 AM EST
yuperoony
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 10:01:50 AM EST
Preachin to the choir. its already gone..,
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 10:21:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
One way to fix it is "CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDERS!"



You & who's army...

~250k troops would be needed...

Where do they come from?
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 10:27:04 AM EST
I believe the process of pussification is so far along in the USA that it will take a major crisis (i.e. something that causes a fairly high atrittion rate among the sheeple and its attendant shock) to reverse the process. Pusification is the cancer on our culture. Some intervening event has to take place to reverse its advancement.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 11:05:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By mace:

When is the last time your turned on a TV? Hmmm? The brothels, lynchings and sideshows are in your LIVING ROOM.



...where you can change the channel, as opposed to happening in real life, to real people, outside your front door.


This is true, but the fact of the matter is that it is ON TV and AVAILABLE. There is shit on TV and in movies and in magazines and in billboards that would have not been socially exceptable just a dozen years ago. You may state that the media is just giving people what they want, and this is true to an extent BUT!!! it shows a CLEAR, MORAL DEGRADATION. I don't want to see an ad for jeans with two men kissing, or just hinting at being ghey, I don't give a rats ass about a movie like "Kissing Jessica Stein" were it is all about discovering your "lesbianism" There is some stuff that should NOT be general consumption.

On to the "real life" outside my front door. Midtown Atlanta is like Gemorrah... nothing screams societal breakdown more then that. Then you have resegregation by victimhood and multi-culturalism, etc.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 11:06:45 AM EST
Where are we going?

Why do I have this handbasket?

Nuff Said.


Woody
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 11:09:20 AM EST
I bought a generator today and chopped up more firewood.

I have lots of dry goods and plenty of needed tools.

Also, my reloading components have been topped off.

Prepare, sustain yourself and your family or end up at a refugee evacutation center managed by Amy Beaver types.

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