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Posted: 8/29/2004 8:48:47 PM EST
Is he that much of a trator to the country? I was watching History Channel tonight and they seem to have similarities...
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:49:57 PM EST
More like the next Anti_Christ
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:50:02 PM EST
duels would set this country straight these days......thats all.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:52:21 PM EST
no I think even Kerry is too below that......


he's worse
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:55:52 PM EST
Dunno, but Milton Friedman is our contemporary Alexander Hamilton.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:59:13 PM EST
Me thinks he is just an asshole.

-Aaron Burr
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:01:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Is he that much of a traitor to the country? .


There's only one kind of traitor. The kind who should be hanged.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=267720
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:02:03 PM EST
You shouldn't insult Aaron Burr by comparing him to such low company as John Kerry.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:07:44 PM EST
So Kerry is somewhere inbetween Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:09:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
So Kerry is somewhere inbetween Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr?

Seeing as how both of them are dead and buried - I wish he were.

Link Posted: 8/30/2004 2:15:25 AM EST
Actually, Clinton was closer to Aaron Burr, except he didn't have an Alexander Hamilton hounding him. Unfortunate, since he deserved to be hounded and Burr probably didn't.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 3:57:02 AM EST
I saw that special on the History Channel. They almost made Burr out to be a saint, while making Hamilton and Jefferson look like assholes. I was a little confused about it. I could understand some of the gripe about Hamilton, but the negative slant toward Jefferson sort of put me off. I wonder who wrote the script.

As far as John Kerry, I wouldn't compare him to Aaron Burr. He's more like Benedict Arnold.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 4:10:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
So Kerry is somewhere inbetween Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr?

Seeing as how both of them are dead and buried - I wish he were.




Link Posted: 8/30/2004 4:21:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By rn45:
I saw that special on the History Channel. They almost made Burr out to be a saint, while making Hamilton and Jefferson look like assholes. I was a little confused about it. I could understand some of the gripe about Hamilton, but the negative slant toward Jefferson sort of put me off. I wonder who wrote the script.

As far as John Kerry, I wouldn't compare him to Aaron Burr. He's more like Benedict Arnold.



"Hosted by Richard Dreyfuss" == "leftist propaganda"

I didn't see it, I figured it would be anti-gun or something.

I am disappointed by the History Channel more and more. It is becoming a propaganda arm for the military/industrial complex and the socialists. They seem to inject a lot of commentary into every subject matter.

Example: Keith Carradine talking about Wild West Technology. Awful lot of opinion mixed in with the facts there. Yeah, it's reality tv entertainment, but you can sure tell the difference between that and the Civil War shows that merely try to describe actual events without any "personality" telling you how it was.

They should change "Tactical to Practical" "Expensive and Impractical to Practical"
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 4:51:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:

Originally Posted By rn45:
I saw that special on the History Channel. They almost made Burr out to be a saint, while making Hamilton and Jefferson look like assholes. I was a little confused about it. I could understand some of the gripe about Hamilton, but the negative slant toward Jefferson sort of put me off. I wonder who wrote the script.

As far as John Kerry, I wouldn't compare him to Aaron Burr. He's more like Benedict Arnold.



"Hosted by Richard Dreyfuss" == "leftist propaganda"

I didn't see it, I figured it would be anti-gun or something.



There was really nothing much leftist about it, other than, perhaps, the leftist tendency to want to tear down American icons.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:12:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By rn45:
I saw that special on the History Channel. They almost made Burr out to be a saint, while making Hamilton and Jefferson look like assholes. I was a little confused about it. I could understand some of the gripe about Hamilton, but the negative slant toward Jefferson sort of put me off. I wonder who wrote the script.

As far as John Kerry, I wouldn't compare him to Aaron Burr. He's more like Benedict Arnold.



Burr was a political opportunist - much moreso than anyone around today; Hamilton was a visionary genius; Jefferson was a paranoid (yet brillant) thinker. The behavior of Jefferson and Madison towards Hamilton was absurd. Had the Maria Reynolds affair not dogged Hamilton he would certainly have been elected president and he'd have a monument on the mall instead of Jefferson.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:16:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Burr was a political opportunist - much moreso than anyone around today; Hamilton was a visionary genius; Jefferson was a paranoid (yet brillant) thinker. The behavior of Jefferson and Madison towards Hamilton was absurd. Had the Maria Reynolds affair not dogged Hamilton he would certainly have been elected president and he'd have a monument on the mall instead of Jefferson.



Hamilton lacked the temperment to be a good president IMHO. As the special showed, he took everything way too personally. Plus, ironically for a man who came up from virtually nothing, Hamilton was an elitist.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:19:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 5:20:48 AM EST by NoVaGator]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Burr was a political opportunist - much moreso than anyone around today; Hamilton was a visionary genius; Jefferson was a paranoid (yet brillant) thinker. The behavior of Jefferson and Madison towards Hamilton was absurd. Had the Maria Reynolds affair not dogged Hamilton he would certainly have been elected president and he'd have a monument on the mall instead of Jefferson.



Hamilton lacked the temperment to be a good president IMHO. As the special showed, he took everything way too personally. Plus, ironically for a man who came up from virtually nothing, Hamilton was an elitist.



Hamilton's temperment was no better or worse than Adams'.

If the special tagged him as an elitist, it was written/produced from an anti-Federalist perspective. Historians are evenly split on this.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:25:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
If the special tagged him as an elitist, it was written/produced from an anti-Federalist perspective. Historians are evenly split on this.



It didn't comment on that...I call him an elitist based on my studies of him.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:33:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
If the special tagged him as an elitist, it was written/produced from an anti-Federalist perspective. Historians are evenly split on this.



It didn't comment on that...I call him an elitist based on my studies of him.



You could certainly come up with enough Hamilton quotes to supprt that position, but IMO, Hamilton always did what was best for the future of the country as a whole.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:36:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
If the special tagged him as an elitist, it was written/produced from an anti-Federalist perspective. Historians are evenly split on this.



It didn't comment on that...I call him an elitist based on my studies of him.



You could certainly come up with enough Hamilton quotes to supprt that position, but IMO, Hamilton always did what was best for the future of the country as a whole.



Oh, there's no argument on that. He was a principled man, and he loved this country, but his ideas for how to run it were a bit elitist for me. I prefer a Jeffersonian attitude, although I understand that Jefferson's ideal of an agrarian America was always a pipe dream.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:40:22 AM EST
The modern axiom that would apply to Hamilton's outlook is:

"What's good for big business is good for America"

Big business (really any business other than a sole proprietorship) was seen as "Angloman" at the time, and thus elitist and monarchist.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:41:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
The modern axiom that would apply to Hamilton's outlook is:

"What's good for big business is good for America"

Big business (really any business other than a sole proprietorship) was seen as "Angloman" at the time, and thus elitist and monarchist.



Hamilton really was an economic genius...well ahead of his time.
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