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Posted: 9/16/2005 3:46:47 PM EDT
I have run out of room in my safe and have about 4 rifles that I need to keep safe from dings/scratches. I went to the gun store today to buy a few more of those zip-up padded rifle cases. I figured I would put the rifles in those and then I could just lay them on top of one another in the closet to store them and keep them from harm. The guy at the gun store tells me the gun will rust if I store them in the padded zip-up cases because they won't have any circulation around the gun to allow moisture to evaporate. Is this true? My house maintains a near constant temperature and I'm keeping the rifles in a heated and cooled area of my house. Should I be concerned?
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:48:06 PM EDT
They'll rust.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:51:25 PM EDT
When I lived in the SouthWest, I frequently stored my rifles for long periods of time inside of padded cases. The SouthWest is quite dry...

I would not dare try it while here in Florida.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:52:46 PM EDT
it's not wise to store guns in the padding, it traps moisture
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:57:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 3:57:32 PM EDT by Hokie]

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I have run out of room in my safe and have about 4 rifles that I need to keep safe from dings/scratches. I went to the gun store today to buy a few more of those zip-up padded rifle cases. I figured I would put the rifles in those and then I could just lay them on top of one another in the closet to store them and keep them from harm. The guy at the gun store tells me the gun will rust if I store them in the padded zip-up cases because they won't have any circulation around the gun to allow moisture to evaporate. Is this true? My house maintains a near constant temperature and I'm keeping the rifles in a heated and cooled area of my house. Should I be concerned?




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got it? They'll rust.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:57:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:03:11 PM EDT
What makes them rust even quicker is if you put the gun into one of those cases while it is semi-hot at the range and don't clean it for a few days.

I don't do that anymore
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:10:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:29:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 4:29:27 PM EDT by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
They make those siliconized "sleeves" to put them in for exactly what you need--but, for the love of all that is holy--do NOT store them in padded cases. Many, many rifle and shotgun and handgun finishes have been destroyed that way.



Or in velvet or cloth lined presentation cases or boxes. They will rust wherever the metal touches the fabric.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:30:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 4:33:36 PM EDT by TacticalStrat]
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?




Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:32:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:33:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
They'll rust.




It depends on where you live. I do it in AZ and have zero problems.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:33:36 PM EDT
I've done it before. But they were in the attic where it was dry and dusty. I just wiped them with an oily rag and put them away. I checked them once a month.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:34:31 PM EDT
Kleen-Bore makes 6 mil thick ziplock bags for storing handguns and long guns.

Put your guns in the bag, then put the bag in the case. The case will protect the bag from wear and tear, while the bag protects the gun from atmospheric moisture and oxygen that causes rust.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:34:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Reload_em:
What makes them rust even quicker is if you put the gun into one of those cases while it is semi-hot at the range and don't clean it for a few days.

I don't do that anymore



Worse yet is when you bump-fire a couple 75-rnd drums through your AK then toss it in the case and drive home.

I hear a certain ARFCOM member did that and not only had to get a new case and seat cushion, but had to refinish the barrel of his rifle when he finally got all the melted crap off of it.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:53:15 PM EDT
eastern WA is so dry, you could leave a rifle laying in the yard and it wouldn't rust.


I did it all the time before I got a safe.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:58:30 PM EDT
I don't have a safe yet since I haven't found a permanent place to live, but I store all mine in Pelican hard cases (with foam inside). I use several silicon dessicant packages in each case, never had a problem with rust.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:59:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?



Do you have a heating rod in the safe? If so, the moisture goes out the safe along with the heated air.

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:11:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?



Do you have a heating rod in the safe? If so, the moisture goes out the safe along with the heated air.




No heating rod or any device to dehumidify the safe.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:14:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:16:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
They make those siliconized "sleeves" to put them in for exactly what you need--but, for the love of all that is holy--do NOT store them in padded cases. Many, many rifle and shotgun and handgun finishes have been destroyed that way.



Ditto !!
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:20:14 PM EDT
I'm in austin. I have a humidity gauge in my house and it stays at about 50% in the summer and about 40% in the winter.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 6:13:40 PM EDT

A silicone storage bag would be better. The main thing to keep your guns from rusting is RIG grease. Nothing comes close. When my cousin moved back from Alaska he stored his heavy rifles in a wooden crate in his basement. They were RIGed. Some sat there for years and they never rusted.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 7:32:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
Kleen-Bore makes 6 mil thick ziplock bags for storing handguns and long guns.

Put your guns in the bag, then put the bag in the case. The case will protect the bag from wear and tear, while the bag protects the gun from atmospheric moisture and oxygen that causes rust.



yeah my friend ruined a nice sig 220 in one of those anti rust bags
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 7:49:26 PM EDT
I have lived in florida for 4 years. I have kept all of my rifles and pistol in padded cases in my safe. I have never seen even a spec of rust on any of my weapons. hell I have a mak 90 that has not been cleaned in years and there is no rust on it at all. I just ran and checked some of my older rifles and they dont have rust on them at all. I do keep them well oiled and I put anti humidity packs in my safe. Should I stop doing this. I live in palm beach in southern florida and have never observed any rust on my weapons. Are you guys sure that keeping rifles in cases rust them. I am not saying you guys are wrong but I see no rust.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 7:54:34 PM EDT
I've done it for about 7 years now and never had any problems. My dad has kept a shotgun (his first) in a soft (flannel lined) case for 35+ years and it looks almost minty. No glimpse of rust anywhere.

We've always wiped the guns down after handling them, oiled them, and never had a problem. This is in NC.

YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:07:05 PM EDT
Mine sit in a cheap hard-case, and there's no sign of rust. Even after shooting, then putting in the case and sitting in my trunk overnight...still no rust. I keep a few dessicant things in there, maybe that helps some. And I take a tooth-brush and clp to any steel parts every so often. Maybe some people have this problem because of their location, but here in NW ohio I've not had any such problems.

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:22:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RRA-A2:
Mine sit in a cheap hard-case, and there's no sign of rust. Even after shooting, then putting in the case and sitting in my trunk overnight...still no rust. I keep a few dessicant things in there, maybe that helps some. And I take a tooth-brush and clp to any steel parts every so often. Maybe some people have this problem because of their location, but here in NW ohio I've not had any such problems.


I live in south florida and I keep my weapons in padded cases and I have never seen rust on my weapons
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:45:22 PM EDT
TacticalStrat:

Send your bling bling to me before it rusts and disintegrates before your eyes, or before my eyes go blind looking at it!


OK, real life. I'll add what I know to the mix.

Dry=Good in the realm of storage. Likewise , even temps with no heating/cooling, sweat/oxidation cycles. Heat to cold = BAD.

Long term a dry bag is probably a good idea. Still needs periodic maintenance.

The serious collectors talk about micro oxidation, where even visually fine steel shows microscopic changes on the surface short term. They use the maximal storage tools available.

I'm not so particular, live in Western Oregon, damp, but have a safe in the living space with minimal fluctuations in humidity or temp. This is, I think, the middle class man's alternative. I keep my living space between limits and an enclosed space, like a safe, does the rest. I don't own anything that I have to worry about more than my thresh hold allows.

When I lived in an cheap apartment, hot to cold, damp to dry, even the kitchen knives rusted before my eyes.

Florida sucked, if it could possible rust, it would. Heat + moisture = death to tools.

Weapons rust. I have seen very few 11th century swords survive despite the "best" of contemporary care.

There are some very knowledgable folks who will, I'm sure, respond shortly.

Rick
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:52:14 PM EDT
PS bloodmoon:

Dry storage good; your anti humidity packs are hopefully working. The "specialists" among us will look for all the surface rust not visible to the naked eye and it will probably be there.
I did exactly what you do when I lived in St. Pete and it worked for me, but once when offered the chance to buy a really nice firearm for collection at a super price, I turned it down, simply because it would have lost more value in my hands than I could have spent to maintain it in the "correct" state. (That was, I think, why the seller offered it at the price he did, same problem.)

Now I shut up so the knowing ones can speak.

R
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:12:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?


members.roadfly.com/Agent7/guns/pistols.jpg




Where in the hell is the Glock 19.......................
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 2:14:21 AM EDT
I've stored my rifles for years in gun case's with no problems at all.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:06:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 6:12:06 AM EDT by TacticalStrat]
Here's another piece of data. I have kept a pistol in my glove box in a zip up pistol rug for over 20 years. I take it out, wipe it off and run a patch thru the bore about every 3 or 4 months. This would be the most extreme conditions imaginable for homeowner storage. The interior of the car cycles daily (several times) from 70F to 150F in the summer and from 40F to 70F in the winter. I've never had a single bit of rust ever on the numerous pistols I've kept in my glove box for 20+ years.


As a side note: When I'm talking "storage in padded case/pistol rug" in my house, the guns get cleaned and wiped down and put into the padded case and they stay in my house where the temp stays contant between 72-74F year round.

Taking a hot gun at the the range and putting it in the padded case, not cleaning it, and putting it in your house, and leaving it stored is not what I'm talking about. Nor am I talking about carrying a gun in and out of my house in a padded case, subjecting it to numerous temp change cycles.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:30:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?


members.roadfly.com/Agent7/guns/pistols.jpg




Now THAT is a hangun collection. Very nice.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:36:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
I'm not trying to argue but I have been storing my handguns in those zipper cases for well over 10 years in my safe and have never had a single instance of rust. I'm talking about maybe 20 handguns in 20 seperate zipper cases (varying models and material). Why would this be different?


members.roadfly.com/Agent7/guns/pistols.jpg




I bet the guns cost more than the marble counter
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:37:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rick_Lind:
TacticalStrat:

Weapons rust. I have seen very few 11th century swords survive despite the "best" of contemporary care.




On a side note, my Marine friend said that in RT they would lock their weapons to racks at night. If stuff didnt get a clp scrub before hand, they would be covered with rust the next morning. This is from setting in the open, not a foam case. He did his RT at paris Island.
This leads me to believe that if you handle it with sweaty hands ALOT every day, and your rifle is pretty broken in...that rust will form alot sooner & easier.

Kind of off-topic, but I thought I'd throw it out here anyway.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:28:31 PM EDT
My handguns, rifles, and shotgun are all kept in padded cases in a closet and in drawers. Never had a rust problem and it is pretty damn humid in SW Mo. My dad lives in NE Ok. and does not use any sort of case for his firearms. I have to wipe his guns down at least monthly because they are rusty.
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