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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:51:38 AM EDT

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Clinton urges 401(k)s, matching funds
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago
WEBSTER CITY, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton proposed tax cuts of up to $1,000 a year on Tuesday to encourage millions of working-age families to open personal 401(k) retirement accounts. The New York senator said the program would be paid for through higher estate taxes.

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At the same time, Clinton said she has given up another idea for a savings incentive — giving every baby born in the United States a $5,000 account to pay for college or a first home.

Instead, she said, her plan for what she called "American Retirement Accounts" will provide "universal access to a generous 401(k) for all Americans."

She outlined a program in which the government would provide a "matching refundable tax credit — dollar for dollar — for the first $1,000 of savings done by every married couple making up to $60,000 a year."

Families with incomes of up to $100,000 would receive a smaller tax break to spur them to contribute to a personal 401(k).

"This means tens of millions of middle-class families will get matching tax cuts of up to $500 and $1,000 to help them build a nest egg for retirement," said a fact sheet distributed by the campaign.

Higher income earners who don't have employer-sponsored plans could participate, but they would not receive tax breaks and the contributions they make would count against the IRA contribution limit.

Clinton proposed freezing the estate tax at projected 2009 levels to pay for the tax cuts. Her campaign said that would mean estates of more than $7 million per couple would be subject to taxation.

At a cost of $20 billion-$25 billion a year, the plan is Clinton's largest domestic proposal other than her plan for universal health insurance. The Republican National Committee criticized her level of spending.

"The level of recklessness in Senator Clinton's spending proposals is only eclipsed by the cost of the programs and the destructive effect they will have on our economy and taxpaying families," said RNC spokesman Danny Diaz.

Clinton first mentioned a so-called "baby bond" last month in an appearance before the Congressional Black Caucus, saying it was just an idea and not a policy proposal. The idea was criticized by Republicans, and she told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Tuesday that it's off the table.

The campaign of her Democratic rival John Edwards suggested it was an example of Clinton setting her positions by polls. "Apparently, new polling data seems to have pressured the Clinton campaign to throw out the baby bond with the bath water," said Edwards spokesman Chris Kofinis.

Clinton's campaign said that for every $7 million estate that gets taxed, at least 5,000 families would receive the matching funds.

The retirement account proposal would be designed for adults of working age and not open to children, but there is no requirement that people work to participate. The matching funds would come as a refundable tax credit that would be deposited into the 401(k) plan.

She said she would encourage employers to have direct deposit from paychecks into the accounts. Like other 401(k) plans, contributions would not be taxed but withdrawals would be.

Clinton said less than half the families in the United States have retirement savings accounts and those who have them aren't saving enough. She said she often meets people working even into their early 80s because they don't have enough savings.

"We don't have much of a nest egg to fall back on," she said.

Posted: 10/10/2007 8:54:14 AM EDT

[#1]

She's literally buying the vote with OUR money.

Posted: 10/10/2007 8:57:30 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
She's literally buying the vote with OUR money.

Enough greedy people out there that think this will be good. Then when their taxes get raised a few thousand a year it suddenly isnt such a good idea. She'll take an extra 5k, give you back 500 bucks, and then tell you that you got a great deal....

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:00:23 AM EDT

[#3]

Dupetastic.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:00:39 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Dupetastic.

You know the rule.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:17:47 AM EDT

[#5]

She's not showing ALL of her idea's.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:20:16 AM EDT

[#6]

Ask these morons who'd voter for her if they'd vote a communist into the White House, and they'd say, "Oh, no way!!"

And that's exactly what they're doing, although the 'gimme gimme' crowd couldn't care less. As long as the dollar faucet is open, they'll take everything they can get.

HH

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:22:50 AM EDT

[#7]

I have her beat, elect me and I'll give EVERY WORKING AMERICAN $100,000 on January 21, 2009!

ELECT ME, NOT HILLARY!

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:24:06 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I have her beat, elect me and I'll give EVERY WORKING AMERICAN $100,000 on January 21, 2009!

ELECT ME, NOT HILLARY!

Uhhh...will it be tax free?

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:11 AM EDT

[#9]

(if this is a dupe, and it looks like it is, I apologize... Lock 'er up)

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:28:04 AM EDT

[#10]

A 7 million dollar estate will pay for 5000 families. At hmmm 5000X1000=5 million.
So gonna tax at the 70% rate? Who is going to pay for the 5000 families the next year when that estate is only worth $2 million?

Quite the ponzi scheme she has going on. Hell, it dies off right after she gets elected.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:38:54 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
(if this is a dupe, and it looks like it is, I apologize... Lock 'er up)

Always room for more.....

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:42:49 AM EDT

[#12]

Didn't hitlery's rapist husband PROMISE a 'middle class' tax cut? And once they infested the WH all that went away. the clinturds and their ilk are just plain liars. They will promise anything to anyone and then do whatever they damn well please. communists / socialists/fascists like the clinturds are LIARS. Never trust a clinturd.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:46:07 AM EDT

[#13]

Will this finally eradicate her kind from power? I for one am tired of dealing with these assholes.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:47:58 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Will this finally eradicate her kind from power? I for one am tired of dealing with these assholes.

Nope. She's telling people exactly what they want to hear. They'll line up for her.

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:51:54 AM EDT

[#15]

My fellow ARFCOMmers, it is your responsibility, nay, your DUTY, to

anyone who claims to like this idea.

Following the

should be an explanation of it being THEIR money paying for it.

If they require logic, pose it this way:

"If all 300 million people in the US get $1k per year, then obviously the best outcome of this would be that you pay $1k in taxes, to earn that $1k matching. If that's the case, then why pay it at all? But that's not going to be the case. Not everybody has $1k to throw in, but since everyone's still entitled, you're going to pay more than $1k each year just so you can get less back and pay money to someone who never did anything."

If they still

then you must

if not

and

are also acceptable.

_MaH

Posted: 10/10/2007 9:59:12 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Didn't hitlery's rapist husband PROMISE a 'middle class' tax cut? And once they infested the WH all that went away. the clinturds and their ilk are just plain liars. They will promise anything to anyone and then do whatever they damn well please. communists / socialists/fascists like the clinturds are LIARS. Never trust a clinturd.

I don't recall a cut per se... I remember being told that ONLY the "RICH" will get a tax hike and then being dismayed to discover that I somehow fit into their definition of "rich". Which pissed me off no end because my wife and I were just getting by (we never carry credit card debt but still, it was close at some points) at the time.

edit: but we agree wholeheartedly: Never trust a clinturd

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