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Posted: 9/20/2004 3:48:00 PM EST
To me, our country seems to be deeply divided on a series of fundamental issues that truly determine the heart of the nation:

- Abortion
- Gay Marriage
- Gun Control
- War on Terror
- National sovergeinty vs. Globalism
- Immigration

Everyday it seems that I am bombarded by rhetoric from both sides of each of these issues, and every day it seems to me that the rhetoric becomes more hateful than before. Our nation is clearly polarized on one side of these issues or the other, and in most cases neither side is willing to listen to the opposite view. The old saying "I disagree with what you're saying, but I'd defend you're right to say it" is long dead. Today we call those who disagree with us "the forces of evil".

While it is true that America did pull together after 9/11, it is also true that the honeymoon was short lived. In fact, the state of idealogic relations in this nation became worse if anything following 9/11.

Do you feel that America is still "One Nation", or have we fractured too deeply? If not, can we ever recover and become whole again? If not, what is the next stage for this nation?
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:51:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
To me, our country seems to be deeply divided on a series of fundamental issues that truly determine the heart of the nation:
...
Do you feel that America is still "One Nation", or have we fractured too deeply? If not, can we ever recover and become whole again? If not, what is the next stage for this nation?



Civil war. Smallest Minority, Kim, and the Mrs are all over this.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:52:08 PM EST
If you are traveling abroad and somebody asks you where you are from...do you say your from Michigan or from America?

Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:54:34 PM EST
Yes, America is still one country.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:55:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 3:56:37 PM EST by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:57:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
If you are traveling abroad and somebody asks you where you are from...do you say your from Michigan or from America?




I don't travel abroad.

I'm also not talking about geographical divisions within the nation, I am talking about ideological divisions which to a large extent transcend geographical boundries. There do seem to be higher concentrations of right wing ideologies in some places, but there are also left wingers in those same places and vice versa.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:58:52 PM EST
I feel we are divided and the divide will continue to grow until a civil war breaks out. We may have the guns but the other side is the most vile, underhanded, and violent of the two. They are a people of no remorse or values.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:59:39 PM EST
I have thought that our nation is more divided now then then I can ever remember. It is a sad day when a husband and wife cant talk politics because if differing beliefs. I know of people that dont talk to long time friends because of the current division in the political arena. Its sad as I think most of the left has forgotten we are all on the same side.

We will never truely be, "one Nation". Our country is based on many nations and over time the demographics have to change and influences from abroad start to take. "One nation, Under God, indivisable..." 0-3

CH
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:12:10 PM EST

If you are traveling abroad and somebody asks you where you are from...do you say your from Michigan or from America?


TEXAS
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:15:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 4:17:23 PM EST by MMcCall]

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
If you are traveling abroad and somebody asks you where you are from...do you say your from Michigan or from America?




See that thing flying by you? That was 'the point'.. you missed it.

There is certainly two Americas, and I know which side I'm on.


Originally Posted By painrx:
I feel we are divided and the divide will continue to grow until a civil war breaks out. We may have the guns but the other side is the most vile, underhanded, and violent of the two. They are a people of no remorse or values.



Vile and Underhanded don't stand up to Heckler and Koch (or Smith and Wesson, whatever). I don't think the radical left realizes that there is an element that won't be cowed into accepting their communist vision of society.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:22:36 PM EST
I agree with MMcCall, there is no doubt in mind that this country divides every day. Some people have no idea what this country was founded on nor do they care. It makes me absolutely sick !!!!!
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:30:52 PM EST
Yes I think we are divided I believe part of the problem is the political correctness in society today We need less lawyers around much less in the White House.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:35:00 PM EST
Two nations.

It will more so after this election.

After Bush wins, the Liberals will be absolutely blinded with hatred.

I wish there was a peaceful way to put all of the.......

-atheistic
-liberal
-abortion loving
-not responsible for anything
-gay marrying
-no God in church
-entitlement minded
-etc, etc...

......SOB's into one half of the nation and the rest of us in the other half.

I could go on and on and I would begin to sound like a racist (one that does not like Liberals), but I should stop here.

I will say this,

"I see the differences between Conservative/Liberal, Republican/Democrat, as Black and White as Good and Evil. I view the positions of the Liberals as a threat to my personal, and our nation's, security."

I'll end the rant here.

Lablover
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:40:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:42:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 4:43:11 PM EST by HermanSnerd]
I agree that the nation is divided. I have never seen such utter hatred for the candidates by the
supporters of the other party. In other elections, if you didn't like the other candidate, you
made jokes about them. These days people are willing to fight each other at the drop of a hat because they hate the other candidate so much.

I have a family member that is as pro democrat, pro union labor as you can get.
This member of my family would vote for a cartoon cat before he would vote for President Bush.

It will take something even worse than 9/11 to reunite our country I am afraid.


Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:56:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 4:59:51 PM EST by DriftPunch]

Originally Posted By LABLOVER:
Two nations.

It will more so after this election.

After Bush wins, the Liberals will be absolutely blinded with hatred.

I wish there was a peaceful way to put all of the.......

-atheistic
-liberal
-abortion loving
-not responsible for anything
-gay marrying
-no God in church
-entitlement minded
-etc, etc...

......SOB's into one half of the nation and the rest of us in the other half.



We will lose political power if you got your wish, why? Because I would be forced to go to the other side in your utopia. That's 4 votes you will need to recover just to reach equity by forcing me out. Ours cancel, and you will need two more to recover.

Lets look at your complaints:

-atheistic (yup! I prefer secularist)
-liberal (nope! I don't hate liberals, often they are good people with a naive desire to use government finances to throw money at problems. I HATE LEFTISTS, who are not always the same as liberals. )
-abortion loving (Hate'em, but am not for making them illegal. There should be a gestation limit.)
-not responsible for anything (republicans are equally as guilty as democrats here. Take the drug war for example)
-gay marrying (I'm not for it, but don't really care. This is such a non issue, that the left is successfully using to repaint Republicans as the 'religous right'.)
-no God in church (that would be no god in schools Einstien , and I agree that no god should be in schools with respect to the material presented. If you want a prayer club, so be it.)
-entitlement minded (agree on this one)
-etc, etc... (etc, etc...)

For the record, I vote Republican because of

- Gun control issues (linked with freedom)
- Fiscal and Economic policy (again linked with freedom)
- Slow the speed of creeping socalisim
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 5:02:34 PM EST

We are very divided.

The problem is that neither side really gets their aggression out on the other. If you are ultra right you're called a Nazi, Ultra Left a Commie. Everyone is afraid to truly speak their minds anymore for fear of reprisals from the opposing side.

We're like two school kids on the playground that hate each other but cant duke it out and get it over with.

People that claim they want tolerance and unity, are the same people pushing the African-American, Latino-American, Asian-American, Native-American etc.... BS.

We are seething under the surface, and eventually it will erupt into Civil War. Probably not in our lifetimes, but not that long down the road in the grand scheme of time.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 5:10:27 PM EST
... I'd guess no

AR15.com

democraticunderground.com
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:19:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By RyJones:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
To me, our country seems to be deeply divided on a series of fundamental issues that truly determine the heart of the nation:
...
Do you feel that America is still "One Nation", or have we fractured too deeply? If not, can we ever recover and become whole again? If not, what is the next stage for this nation?



Civil war. Smallest Minority, Kim, and the Mrs are all over this.

Thanks for the link, Ry!

More than just us three. Also Who Tends the Fires, FreedomSight, No Treason!, and Two-Four, among others.

My latest piece on it is While Evils are Sufferable, and my take is "no civil war."
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:29:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 7:29:58 PM EST by fight4yourrights]
No
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:37:38 PM EST
No, there's more and more a wedge between to different ideals of what freedom is and isn't.
People who think america can't be defeated should look inward, not outward. The country itself is it's real worst enemy in the big scheme of things.
It's a big reason that in my opinion the war on terror is destined to fail, as is national security against errorism, when the democrats do eventually have control of the white house for 4 or 8 years, whenever that is, they'll undo any progress or success with big changes in the way it's fought and priorities overall.
It will always be 2 steps foward 2 steps back.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:44:37 PM EST
I think this is mostly because its around election time. The year before and year after an election is when people become all gung ho and die hard about politics.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:47:21 PM EST
The Divide will continue to grow.
The numbers of domestic terrorists like ELF/ALF and Peta will continue to grow.
Until the rest of the Nation decides they've had enough.
Remove the ex-hippies and communists / socialists from our Education system. They are the ones leading the Ideological / Propaganda 'Hate America' machine.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 8:01:03 PM EST
This is still "one nation" just like my pup is "one dog" - there's just an awful lot that went into making him what he is today. I don't always like what he does, but he's mine and I'm keeping him.

Wouldn't trade him, or this country, for anything.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 8:02:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Yes, America is still one country.



Really? Been to California lately?
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 8:11:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By LABLOVER:

I wish there was a peaceful way to put all of the.......

-atheistic
-liberal
-abortion loving
-not responsible for anything
-gay marrying
-no God in church
-entitlement minded
-etc, etc...

......SOB's into one half of the nation and the rest of us in the other half.




THIS is why it is a divided nation - because the disagreements have led to such bitterness and hate that people do not even want to live together with those that disagree with them on ANY important issue.

Link Posted: 9/20/2004 8:20:43 PM EST
Words don't mean jack shit.
Actions do, and from what I have seen we are not one nation. JMHO
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:11:18 PM EST
I would have figured today is nothing compared to the 1860s.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:35:56 PM EST
The majority of U.S. citizens are christian, something like 84% according to a poll after 911 atrocity, if the nation was hit hard enough to threaten the majority the country might still pull together but at present there is a great divide even amongst christians.

America in its current form is not one nation but under severe adversity it could be one nation again.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:14:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mmanwitgun:
I think this is mostly because its around election time. The year before and year after an election is when people become all gung ho and die hard about politics.



I have to disagree. With the exception of a breif interlude following September 11th, this has gone on almost non-stop since Clinton was elected.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:41:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By LABLOVER:
Two nations.

It will more so after this election.

After Bush wins, the Liberals will be absolutely blinded with hatred.

I wish there was a peaceful way to put all of the.......


......SOB's into one half of the nation and the rest of us in the other half.




motown_steve mentioned immigration as one of the fundamental issues. Bush and the Republican party are almost as bad as the Democrats on this issue. Which half should he go to?

Personally I don't think our country is seriously divided because of these issues. I think it is more of a case of the media hyping the rantings of fanatics that makes it seem worse than it is. The average citizen may have a point of view on the issues raised but that doesnt mean they are going to crazy about it. In another era look at the division that the Viet Nam War created. I think the riff was much worse then.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:54:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 5:55:32 AM EST by phatmax]
No.

First and foremost: You can't be one nation when there is more then one language spoken. My fellow citizens in Miami look at me with distain if I don't speak Spanish.

Therefore I am not in America where ENGLISH is the language.

Every liberal stunt, including the above "multi-culturalism" is meant to be devisive (spelling). Fill-in-the-blank-RIGHTS is meant to create groups and make them feel segregated. Anything to "raise a group" is meant to seperate and divide.

I saw a thing about a big meeting with "Young, Black entreprenurs" It was of course a lefty thing telling young blacks that "yes EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE BLACK, you can be successful" and the top people they chose were marketing products to a mostly black audience.

I see myself as a hyper-conservative republican. I don't give a FLYING FUCK if you are black, white, yellow, green or pink polka-dotted. If you have a SOLID BUSINESS idea then you should run with it and become successful. It is a LIBERAL who points out the distinction of race. I judge people on character and skills and personality. That is it. It is a Liberal that will bring race into the equation.

Watch the news, listen to a lefty talk, THEY are they dividers in this country. They always bring up some sort of "group" or labeled segment of society into the mix.

So once again.... NO we are not one nation.
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