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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:52:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2014 2:55:34 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:55:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2014 2:57:28 PM EDT by John-in-austin]
My favorite 158gr load will penetrate a hog lengthwise with full expansion out of a 6" 686. I really doubt it's a "sad relic"

ETA My carry some days is a 3" mdl 13 with the same bullet over a lighter charge, Somebody is going to notice if they get shot with it.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:55:41 PM EDT
I have 7 rounds of .357 Magnum right next to me if anyone wishes to test the theory.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:55:51 PM EDT
My .357 is older than me, it might even be older or as old as you.

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The advent of other rounds that do similar things that the .357 does, does not make it ineffective. The only rimless pistol cartridge that comes close is 10mm, and that requires some pricey ammunition to get that kind of performance.

imho even as an autoloader fan, I would not scoff at an 8-shot .357 mag as either a woods or self defense gun. Commonality with leverguns is attractive too.

It might be a niche round now, but it's not without purpose.

.45ACP, on the other hand ...
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:57:11 PM EDT
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I like it. But, I'm old. I have a Martini Cadet that is in .357, as well Very fun to shoot. It still takes deer, and I let my grand kids use it for that purpose. Two single actions and a 3 inch gp100 that I carry.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:58:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
We are prohibited from hunting hogs in NY Seriously, Our Fearless Leaders wanted to discourage game farms from bringing hogs in for hunting that might escape and breed in the wild"
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By John-in-austin:
My favorite 158gr load will penetrate a hog lengthwise with full expansion out of a 6" 686. I really doubt it's a "sad relic"
We are prohibited from hunting hogs in NY Seriously, Our Fearless Leaders wanted to discourage game farms from bringing hogs in for hunting that might escape and breed in the wild"


What about the hogs that escape from the regular bacon farms?


Not a problem here, they breed in the wild already.

My go-to hog calibers are .357 and Tula steel case 5.56.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:58:56 PM EDT
My old 681 is about as general purpose as they come . Truck gun , bedside heater , hunting sidearm , defense , etc,etc

I'm not turned off over its power at all. I'd love to have a 1911 in the cartridge.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:58:56 PM EDT
Doubtful that you or anyone else would want to be on the wrong end of the .357 .


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Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:59:05 PM EDT
.357mag has been butt raping other calibers since the 1930s.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 2:59:09 PM EDT
.357 Magnum is best Magnum.
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Originally Posted By Power2thePeople:
.357mag has been butt raping other calibers shooting through schools since the 1930s.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
We are prohibited from hunting hogs in NY Seriously, Our Fearless Leaders wanted to discourage game farms from bringing hogs in for hunting that might escape and breed in the wild"
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By John-in-austin:
My favorite 158gr load will penetrate a hog lengthwise with full expansion out of a 6" 686. I really doubt it's a "sad relic"
We are prohibited from hunting hogs in NY Seriously, Our Fearless Leaders wanted to discourage game farms from bringing hogs in for hunting that might escape and breed in the wild"


At least they did one thing right. Tusked vermin.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I carried a S&W 19 for years as a duty gun. I still have it. I would not feel undergunned with it.

A good friend of mine was issued some kind of 357 smith and wesson many years ago when he started as a uniformed policeman. He loves glocks but always thought they lacked the "shit your pants when I draw on you" power of the 357, not to mention use as a club, tool for breaking windows and other frowned upon activities
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
But one. Buy a vintage S&W revolver. If you want to have fun buy a lever gun to go with it. A 357 out of a 16 to 20 inch barrel is screaming like a rocket, and has lots of killing/stopping power.
I carried a S&W 19 for years as a duty gun. I still have it. I would not feel undergunned with it.

A good friend of mine was issued some kind of 357 smith and wesson many years ago when he started as a uniformed policeman. He loves glocks but always thought they lacked the "shit your pants when I draw on you" power of the 357, not to mention use as a club, tool for breaking windows and other frowned upon activities



True story, if you place the barrel of a Smith 357 JUST right under a guy's chin you can pick him up and pin him to the wall with it.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:01:39 PM EDT
My old beat up gun buy back Model 19 ($100) says otherwise!


She isn't very pretty but she sure shoots good
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:01:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2014 3:07:02 PM EDT by fxntime]
Autoloaders are just now getting to the performance level the .357 had decades earlier. A Remington 125 grain JHP from 30 years ago will fvck your life up just as well as the best premium stuff put out today.

I still have some Sintox [bought in Germany a long time ago] floating around, I still wouldn't hesitate to use it in self defense.

1500-1600 FPS with excellent expansion is nothing to sneeze at even today.
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.45ACP, on the other hand ...
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Now you've done it.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:02:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By humanitarian2112:
I like it. But, I'm old. I have a Martini Cadet that is in .357, as well Very fun to shoot. It still takes deer, and I let my grand kids use it for that purpose. Two single actions and a 3 inch gp100 that I carry.
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Tell me more. Is on a Cadet action or full sized MK I - IV?

I'm picking up a MK II that was converted to .22 this weekend.
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Now you've done it.
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Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:

.45ACP, on the other hand ...



Now you've done it.



Sometimes the truth must be spoken.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:03:47 PM EDT
Carried a 681 for a couple years as a duty gun, definitely not without a purpose. A .357 still hits harder than I would want to be hit and does it comfortably. Plus, here in the PRNY it's currently Cuomo-proof. (Give the fascist fuck time)
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:03:55 PM EDT
.357 has been around for a long time and it has been proven as both a great hunting and self defense round. I would definitely trust my life to 6,7 or 8 rounds of it in a wheelgun.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:04:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2014 3:05:11 PM EDT by blacksunshinez51]
Other than a revolver, I cant see why someone would want one. In a revolver it makes sense. Then again im not a revolver guy either unless its a Cowboy style gun

ETA And in a Cowboy style gun I want .36 for a Navy or 44 or 45LC
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:05:34 PM EDT
I have a 686 4" tucked in the safe and a 1894. I never shoot them even though I have a shit ton of 357 ammo.


Maybe tomorrow.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:06:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:07:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2014 3:07:50 PM EDT by Nicodareus]
Regardless of caliber, I can't think of a single bullet I'd like to be shot by. Anything 'magnum' is higher on the list than those without.

The venerable .357 might be an old round, but it's not useless or even deprecated in my opinion. I still have a .30-06 that does wonderfully on pretty much everything around here. A 7/08 does great for deer and has less recoil. Is it better? For white tail, maybe it is.

Take your old man gun out to the range and blast some water jugs.

Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:08:30 PM EDT
I've seen .30-06 derided as "too little for deer." Keep in mind that nobody on the internet ever shoots a deer at less than 300 yards; the average is probably close to 500.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Sadly I thought of that when I bought a 586, although I cringe at the thought of having that bowling ball hanging off my belt
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Natty_Bumppo:
Carried a 681 for a couple years as a duty gun, definitely not without a purpose. A .357 still hits harder than I would want to be hit and does it comfortably. Plus, here in the PRNY it's currently Cuomo-proof. (Give the fascist fuck time)
Sadly I thought of that when I bought a 586, although I cringe at the thought of having that bowling ball hanging off my belt



Be glad it's not an N frame.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:08:41 PM EDT
357 Maggie got the glorious reputation back during the bad old days when bullet construction technology sucked out loud.

Does that mean it doesn't rank well today? No, in fact I think it buttresses the point.

Consider the FBI Miami shootout. Where a 9mm failed a 357's added penetration would've succeeded.

Where cloth/denim/windshield/whatever gets between you and the BG the extra energy of the 357 is helpful.






But the real reason I like it? For shooting falling steel plates. You know the ones I mean, where the guys with their mousefart 9mm loads have to hit the top third of the steel plate to make it fall otherwise it just rocks and stays up? Well at a shooting event I was using a 357 and I completely missed the plate, MISSED IT, but hit the steel crossbeam that the plate was hinged to. The raw vibration alone put the plate down!
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:08:51 PM EDT
Hell of a Bangstick round for gators I'm told.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:09:53 PM EDT
Modern self defense ammo has put 9mm, .40, and .45 on the same level for self defense...

of course, that doesn't mean the .357 got worse.

It's also good as a deep-penetrating load for hunting.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:10:01 PM EDT
If you're looking for a deer handgun in a revolver, all else being equal I'd go with a .44 Mag. Just a better round overall.

However with the right bullet a .357 will take a deer for sure. The effective range will be a little less, but it'll work.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:10:54 PM EDT
With the ability to shoot .38 Spec and full power .357Mag loads, I consider my 357 revolvers very versatile.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:11:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
So I am about to go pick up my new to me geriatric used 357 from the gun shop to see if the old codger has some life left in him. So thinking about 357 magnum
-357 now seems to be derided as a round for deer, Googling it shows a bunch of people claiming "too small" or "have to be close." I thought in the days of yore it was supposedly considered lightning in a bottle. Maybe it was loaded hotter years ago? I have never shot a deer with a 357. The one time I was about to shoot one with a borrowed 6" Python EdSr screamed "Noooooo!" Hey he never told me NOT to shoot the deer all bunched around the feeder his next door neighbor's wife put out for "her little angels"
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-357 is no longer considered the super duper man stopper it was back in the 80s, it's supposedly not that great at "stopping" (God forbid I use that term). With modern JHPs I guess some law enforcement agencies are switching from 40 to 9 since they seem to work about the same and 9 has less recoil.

So is my poor old 357 (33 years old, older than probably many of you) a sad relic of bygone days with no real purpose despite hopefully having plenty of fight left in his old bones? (assuming he doesn't fall apart at the first round fired)

-you have to admit this is not as bad as my internal lock thread
these the same people that poo-poo .223?
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Originally Posted By Power2thePeople:
.357mag has been butt raping other calibers shooting through schools since the 1930s.




Sorry, you're thinking of an 88 Magnum
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:13:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DDiggler:
If you're looking for a deer handgun in a revolver, all else being equal I'd go with a .44 Mag. Just a better round overall.

However with the right bullet a .357 will take a deer for sure. The effective range will be a little less, but it'll work.
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I once met a game warden that killed a grizzly with a Smith 686.

Course, he stuck the gun in it's mouth at the time and it took all six rounds.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 3:13:51 PM EDT
One of my most favoritest handguns I own

7 Rounds of good intentions




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Strange thing about ARFCOM: if a thread discussion pertains to the effectiveness of .380 as a self defense round and some poor sap says "well, go stand in front of it", that poster would (rightly) be called out as full of derp. Say the same thing in a thread about the (mighty) .357 Magnum and everyone pats each other on the back and says "yeah, right on brother."


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Originally Posted By Aimless:
So I am about to go pick up my new to me geriatric used 357 from the gun shop to see if the old codger has some life left in him. So thinking about 357 magnum
-357 now seems to be derided as a round for deer, Googling it shows a bunch of people claiming "too small" or "have to be close." I thought in the days of yore it was supposedly considered lightning in a bottle. Maybe it was loaded hotter years ago? I have never shot a deer with a 357. The one time I was about to shoot one with a borrowed 6" Python EdSr screamed "Noooooo!" Hey he never told me NOT to shoot the deer all bunched around the feeder his next door neighbor's wife put out for "her little angels"



-357 is no longer considered the super duper man stopper it was back in the 80s, it's supposedly not that great at "stopping" (God forbid I use that term). With modern JHPs I guess some law enforcement agencies are switching from 40 to 9 since they seem to work about the same and 9 has less recoil.

So is my poor old 357 (33 years old, older than probably many of you) a sad relic of bygone days with no real purpose despite hopefully having plenty of fight left in his old bones? (assuming he doesn't fall apart at the first round fired)

-you have to admit this is not as bad as my internal lock thread
these the same people that poo-poo .223?
I didn't buy an AR15 for decades because I was told it was a pussy round
my brother was the same way. I let him use my 6920 for hog hunting, he's now a believer.
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