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Posted: 3/8/2010 3:03:50 AM EDT
Now wait a minute....the Irish got their independence how?.......hmmm....I forget. So does Ms. Marlowe, apparently...

Love affair with firearms won't be quelled by mere statistics

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0306/1224265703536.html

LARA MARLOWE

AMERICA: Cities and states that restrict gun ownership are seeing that prerogative threatened by the Supreme Court

‘WE AMERICANS, we cling proudly to our guns and religion,” Sarah Palin, the failed vice-presidential candidate and darling of the Tea Party movement, said at a recent rally for Rick Perry, the Republican governor of Texas.

The historian Richard Hofstadter coined the phrase “gun culture” to describe America’s love affair with firearms. An estimated 25 per cent of American adults own guns, and one in two American adults live in a household with guns.

This streak of irrationality flowing through the American psyche has a little flag stuck in it, with the words “Second Amendment” emblazoned on it. Gun enthusiasts cite their God-given right so often that one must quote the passage from the Constitution in full: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

This irrational streak is impervious to the fact that guns kill. The Centre for Disease Control confirms that in 2006, the last year for which statistics are available, firearms accounted for 67 per cent of the 18,573 homicides in the US.

And if the statistics weren’t convincing enough, there’s a long line of assassinations and mass killings, made possible by the easy availability of weapons: Columbine High in Colorado, where two students killed 13 people before committing suicide in 1999; Virginia Tech, where a student killed 32 people and himself in 2007. Just last month, Amy Bishop, a professor at the University of Alabama, shot six of her colleagues, killing three of them.

On February 23rd, the governors of Colorado State University voted to ban students carrying concealed weapons on campus. At a time when the “concealed carry movement” and “open carry movement” are campaigning aggressively nationwide, the Colorado ban was vigorously opposed by a student group that argued guns would give them a better chance of survival in the event of a Virginia Tech-style massacre. James Alderden, the Sheriff of Larimer County, said he was outraged by the ban and would seek to undermine it in the interest of student safety.

On the day of the Colorado decision, a gunman with a high-powered rifle shot and wounded a boy and girl at a middle school in Denver.

In Virginia, which is home to the four-million-strong National Rifle Association, the legislature recently voted to repeal a 17-year-old law that bans residents from buying more than one gun a month. The gun-a-month law came about because Virginia had become the gun-running capital of the east coast. A Batman cartoon book portraying it as such made the state a laughing stock, and led to the 1993 law.

L Scott Ligamfelter, the Republican legislator who led the drive for the repeal, said limiting gun purchases was comparable to limiting church attendance. On Thursday, a Virginia state senate committee stocked with anti-gun Democrats struck down the repeal, a minor setback for the Virginia gun lobby, whose 21 pro-gun Bills last year are known as the “21-gun salute”. These include a law allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in restaurants and bars.

In 29 US states, it’s legal to carry a loaded handgun without any form of permit. And those cities and states which restrict gun ownership now see that prerogative threatened by none other than the US Supreme Court.

In the 2008 District of Columbia v Heller case, the Supreme Court struck down a ban on hand guns in the nation’s capital on the grounds it violated the Second Amendment – ignoring the fact that the amendment apparently referred to state militias, not individuals.

Because the District is not a state but a federal enclave, the ruling did not immediately apply to the states. But it opened the way for numerous lawsuits by would-be gun owners.

On Tuesday, the Supreme Court heard arguments in one of those cases, McDonald v Chicago.

Otis McDonald, a 76-year-old African-American with a gentle smile, is demanding the right to keep a handgun in his home on the south side of Chicago to protect himself from gangs.

The conservative justices made it clear they will overrule the Chicago ban on handguns.

When Steven Breyer, a liberal justice, asked if cities couldn’t ban guns if that meant “saving hundreds of lives”, the conservative justice Antonin Scalia retorted: “We don’t resolve questions like that on the basis of statistics.”

President Barack Obama has disappointed advocates of gun control, who recall he promised to stop dealers at gunshows selling weapons without background checks, to revive the ban on the sale of assault weapons and to force states to release gun-related crime statistics.

Instead, Obama last year signed Bills allowing guns to be carried in national parks and in luggage on Amtrak trains. Both provisions were attached to larger pieces of legislation that the president wanted to see passed.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:21:42 AM EDT
how come no one wants to ever report, how many times guns have saved lives?
those statistics out weigh the nut cases every time.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:26:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2010 3:27:02 AM EDT by Dr_Dickie]

Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
how come no one wants to ever report, how many times guns have saved lives?
those statistics out weigh the nut cases every time.

Nor do they ever point out the number of murders that were caused by LEGAL gun ownership.
The entire premise is that if you outlaw guns, the murderers will surrender theirs––that is insane.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:26:53 AM EDT
So because they can't get guns in Ireland, they resort to car bombs. Sounds way more civil than gun crimes.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:28:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2010 3:30:38 AM EDT by Zan]
Who cares? And doesn't Ireland have bigger problems than to concern themselves with our gun laws.

Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:28:35 AM EDT
A lecture from an Irish national on bloodshed? What a kick...

Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:36:29 AM EDT
Sensationalistic events are not statistics.

The decline in long term trend in crime rates when 2A rights are respected are statistics.

A better article would be the crime statistics in England after their gun ban.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:38:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:40:55 AM EDT
is'nt ireland broke???? and uh, a nation that uses car bombs to prove a point...had better NOT lecture me on my firearms! this irish broad needs to mind her own business
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:41:47 AM EDT
This thread is super-duper!
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:47:22 AM EDT
Funny from a country who's people have been killing each other by guns and bombs for a century over religion.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:51:34 AM EDT
These guys are Irish
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 3:53:18 AM EDT
The Irish can shut their fucking traps and stay the fuck home if they don't like it. Just keep sending the whiskey bitches!
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:05:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The Irish can shut their fucking traps and stay the fuck home if they don't like it. Just keep sending the whiskey bitches!


I'll second that!

-Parke1
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:10:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 95thFoot:
Now wait a minute....the Irish got their independence how?.......hmmm....I forget. So does Ms. Marlowe, apparently...

Love affair with firearms won't be quelled by mere statistics

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

snip

In the 2008 District of Columbia v Heller case, the Supreme Court struck down a ban on hand guns in the nation’s capital on the grounds it violated the Second Amendment – ignoring the fact that the amendment apparently referred to state militias, not individuals.

snip


"Apparently"? Really? What makes her think she can tell another country how their constitution are to be interpreted? Arrogant commie bitch.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:13:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:22:26 AM EDT
that dumb bitch is stupid it has got to hurt
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:29:19 AM EDT
25% of Americans own guns? I thought it was a bit higher than that. I guess that's a pretty big number in France or where ever this Ireland is.

Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:29:33 AM EDT
Once the Irish had finished killing enough Brits to get their freedom, they had a wee bit of a civil war so that the guys with the most guns could have their version of freedom. Once these lovers of freedom took complete control of Ireland, they used gun control to supress the people who wanted a slightly different form of freedom.

That's pretty much how it works in all democracies.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:36:36 AM EDT
I wonder how tolerant she would be if I published an article on Irish "bomb culture?"
Maybe a few quotes about their love affair with UK independence and Mary as a saint?

Eh, fuck em. Go eat a potato ye figging twat.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:39:15 AM EDT


"...........This irrational streak is impervious to the fact that guns kill".

They do?

If this is true, does anyone know if they can get out of a locked safe?

Please let me know asap ........ I'm a little worried, especially if they all decide to kill at the same time. I'd be fucked.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:41:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Insider:
Once the Irish had finished killing enough Brits to get their freedom, they had a wee bit of a civil war so that the guys with the most guns could have their version of freedom. Once these lovers of freedom took complete control of Ireland, they used gun control to supress the people who wanted a slightly different form of freedom.

That's pretty much how it works in all democracies.


Exactly. You'd think after the 1916 revolution they would all love guns...but nope...I guess the freedom they fought for wasn't freedom after all.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:42:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil1712:
Originally Posted By The_Insider:
Once the Irish had finished killing enough Brits to get their freedom, they had a wee bit of a civil war so that the guys with the most guns could have their version of freedom. Once these lovers of freedom took complete control of Ireland, they used gun control to supress the people who wanted a slightly different form of freedom.

That's pretty much how it works in all democracies.


Exactly. You'd think after the 1916 revolution they would all love guns...but nope...I guess the freedom they fought for wasn't freedom after all.



Yeah, William Wallace would be pissed!



Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:44:17 AM EDT
One could argue that Governments kill - and statistics would support that much better.
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:49:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2010 4:57:10 AM EDT
When Steven Breyer, a liberal justice, asked if cities couldn’t ban guns if that meant “saving hundreds of lives”, the conservative justice Antonin Scalia retorted: “We don’t resolve questions like that on the basis of statistics.”


Even if the statement, that cities couldn’t ban guns if that meant “saving hundreds of lives” where true. Boo fucking hoo!
The principles on which the constitution were founded are worth more than my life and yours.
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