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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:30:02 PM EDT
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So where are you trying to go with this?
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:31:25 PM EDT
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Ignorant BS
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:32:05 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for stepping out of the closet...
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:32:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:35:49 PM EDT
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Does the package have a troll in it? Or maybe a troll?
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:37:46 PM EDT
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I only read most of your...uh....shit.
If the war was for OIL then why the fuck am I spending 2 fucking dollars a gallon for gas?  |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:38:30 PM EDT
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So your basically saying the terrorists in Iraqi that choose to fight within the streets of iraqi, people's homes, schools, holy places, etc etc are NOT the ones to blame?
It's OUR fault that they don't want to take this war out in the desert? It's our fault they hide behind children? From what your saying, since the cards are stacked up againsts us and the iraqi people, we should have never tried and we should just give up now? WTF is wrong with your head? They say there's 2 types of people, leaders and followers, people like you are a whole new breed. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:40:32 PM EDT
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Amazing that we haven't "taken" the oil, nor have we put in place any plans to do so.
If it was access to the oil we wanted, in order to buy it, all we have had to do was drop the sanctions. If it was stability in this oil-rich region we were seeking, well... we didn't exactly try for that, either. Did we? |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:41:58 PM EDT
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I won't address the rest of your misconceptions, but will address this one. We are not fighting for "oil". We already have a plentiful supply in the world market, of which Iraq is a very small contributor. We are not directly getting any of the oil from Iraq. The "Oil interests" could not stop a new and better alternative to oil. There just isn't one at this time. When there is, it will be successful through the Law of Supply and Demand. Please get your facts straight before you rant. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:42:01 PM EDT
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I don't think Afghanistan has any oil to speak of, but the military is there, liberating people from the Taliban and getting elections going. Why is it so difficult to believe that we are doing the same thing in Iraq?
Plus, knowing the AP, that 100,000 probably includes terrorists killed, who had it coming. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:42:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:43:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:43:38 PM EDT
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Have you paid attention to ANYthing that has happened since we invaded, or have you just been watching TV to get your info?
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:43:43 PM EDT
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2 bucks?!? Come on down to SoCal... 2.50 for reg. As for our thread starter... Sorry you troll but the "we invaded for oil" is nothing more than a lie. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it or how loud you scream it doesn't change jack shit. It's still A LIE. Now, slither back under your DU rock and let the ADULTS talk. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:45:08 PM EDT
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So where did jimb100
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:47:03 PM EDT
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Interesting. Never been to Iraq have you? I have. Maybe you should have a look around over there before you come here and start spouting you anti-war hippy bullshit. The majority of the Iraqi people have a much better chance at freedom and happiness than they could ever dream about 2 years ago. Barring another dictatorship, there will be generations in Iraq that won't have to worry about being taken away by the Secret Police in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. There won't be anymore Iraqi parents gathered at mass graves outside police stations to stare at the skeletons and look for some trace of familiarity that will tell them that one of the skeletons is their son. Nobody else will ever have WMDs used against them by Iraq like the Iranians and the Kurds did. People in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel have one less threat against their security. The people of Iraq won't have to stand by and starve while the money from the oil for food program is spent on another palace. And, perhaps most importantly, men from all over the Middle East are going to Iraq to kill Americans instead of coming here.
There isn't much doubt that the war was fought in part for oil. However, what you seem to be implying is that American troops are killing Iraqi civilians so we can get our hands on their oil. This is not the case. Why don't you go back under whatever rock you crawled out from. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:47:24 PM EDT
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Your troll-flage is strong. I can't remember seeing a 535 post troll. That is a long time to bide your time. too bad the cat's outta the bag now. Did you come to the realization that fairy is gonna lose the election, so you won't be able to type a big 'HA HA, FU' to us?
I guess any time now I will get a 'look at your post count' comment...... |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:49:13 PM EDT
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While I think the original poster is pulling a Kerry Blitz I gotta put up another cynical reason for us to have gone into Iraq.
We don't like terrorists setting off bombs killing our people here in the States, so we gave them the convienience of coming after us in their own home territory. It's a short drive to the front for them and a short drive to the cemetary as well. Bush went into Iraq to save the terrorists the trouble of buying a plane ticket. ETA: I spent $2.33 a p/g yesterday on 87 octane. 
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:50:30 PM EDT
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Anyone look at any past posts of this fellow?
This would have to be a record if he's shown his true colors for the first time today. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:51:08 PM EDT
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Anyone who claims there were no terrorist training camps in smoking crack, I walk around in one last April after 7th Marines siezed it.
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Posted: 10/28/2004 2:52:18 PM EDT
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Would you rather them be blowing up our children/civilians here? WTF is wrong with you people? |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:01:03 PM EDT
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I don't think you caught the drift of my response. If that was the ONLY reason we went there I'd support it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:05:10 PM EDT
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And this new "alternate fuel" you speak of, won't be of use to the electric company folks, huh? I wonder... Where did this story come from. I dare you to post a link. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:11:25 PM EDT
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Fuck this DUjimbo-like jackass and his Grand Moonification Theory
Folks wanting REAL news about Coalition casualties in Iraq should check this site - icasualties.org/oif/ Does a great straightforward job of gathering all the data from the real sources, and summing it up. No fuzzy crap, no jihadist / Workers World Weekly reports. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:17:01 PM EDT
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I've got serious doubts about the accuracy of this study. Timing's awfully convenient, isn't it? I mean, could you imagine a better time to release a study critical of the war than the Thursday afternoon before election day? Give it a weeknight to get spun up in the media, let everybody book guests for the Sunday morning talk shows, but not really allow enough time for the data to get analyzed and for the opposing view to get a response out?
I always take studies like this and think about them for a moment, try and look at the information from a different angle. 100k Iraqi civilian casualties, at least four times what everyone else has been saying for the last year? That study purports to include data from about the first seventeen months after the invasion. According to them, that means 200 civilians were being killed every single day. 200 a day? Don't you think that if 200 had been dying every fucking day that would have come to someone's attention by now? I'm curious as to how these folks define "excess deaths". I remember reading the same phrase being applied to deaths caused by conditions from the UN sanctions. Those numbers, which were also probably way off, came to between 30-50k a year. So, if that rate stayed constant over an 18 month period, plus let's say 25k dead from the war, altho I think that number is bullshit too, we've got...let's see....100k "excess deaths". Wow. Now, this certainly isn't good news. But the notion that the US is committing mini-Dresdens on a daily basis is stupid. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:20:02 PM EDT
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Maauser101:
 Well hell, I guess I did mis-read yor response. Sorry bout that.
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:25:43 PM EDT
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No terrorist training camps?
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:30:57 PM EDT
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Is cool. My post count is kindof low and I haven't paid for a membership yet. You're under more scrutiny until you've invested. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:31:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:34:40 PM EDT
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Quick, someone hit the ALERT button 
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:42:41 PM EDT
[#32]
OK genius, tell me again why we are in the middle of a civil war in Iraq? How it benefits us? And please spare me the crap about so that we can set up a democracy in a country with no democratic traditions and no interest in having a demcracy? Do you really think the Saudis believe an Iraqi democracy will inspire democratic movements in Saudi Arabia? Would they still be our friends if they thought we were trying to get them replaced? This forum has some of the most knee jerk dumbasses on the internet. My post isn't anti-Bush or pro-Kerry. If Gore had been handed the nod, he would have eventually had to do something similar. 911 was a wake up call. Not just that Bin Laden was out there looking to do us harm. It was a wakeup call to the fact the middle east was in danger of falling under the leadership of a guy like Bin Laden. He is a hero in the middle east. The middle east is putting out the US no longer welcome sign even without Bin Laden in charge. We had to have a place to strike from to protect our oil interests from muslim fundamentalist who will, one day, use oil as a bargaining chip against us. And Saudi Arabia is ripe for a takeover by fundamentalists. Evidently not too many here remember the Arab Oil Embargo of 1972. Like I said, dumbasses. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:44:08 PM EDT
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Don't be a dumbass.
Look at where Iraq is located and then tell me it is not the best place to base the war on terror. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:51:27 PM EDT
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You ARE a genius.
How the hell would that happen? How would osama take over Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, UAE, OMAN, Bahrain, Pakistan, etc.???? How would this occur? How? How? How?
911 That region is from where ALL such attacks are funded, planned, and staffed. You are right though.... It is true, that we need to ensure that the world's oil supply does not fall into the hands of terrorists. But that's not fighting for oil. That's fighting for civilization. All of your silly "alternate fuel" fantasies aside.... the world's engine is powered by oil. NOTHING will replace it during the next several decades. LOSING that supply would bring a collapse to the world's economy, depression, famine, etc. Isn't that worth fighting to avoid?
After the idiocy of your intitial post, do you really think that you have the right to call anyone a dumbass? AND, I still dare you... Show your link to that story. If you have the balls. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:52:28 PM EDT
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Lie. The largest terrorist training camp in the world was in northern Iraq. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:53:26 PM EDT
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Don't ask him to do something of which he is physically incapable. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:53:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 3:57:20 PM EDT
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Because the President's an oil man. They haven't had this much fun since the late 70's. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:00:23 PM EDT
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Lie. The oil companies are NOT making more profits from this. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:10:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:21:19 PM EDT
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Read it all. There is only one reason this lie was published.
www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/28/news/toll.html Editors of the journal decided not to wait for Lancet's normal publication date next week, but instead to place the research online Friday, apparently so it could circulate before the U.S. presidential election. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:27:02 PM EDT
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1.Set a fine example; you hit U.S, you get your ass kicked
2.Forward base in the middle east 3.Remove Saddam from power (one of three evil down) 4.Check for illegal weapons (U.N's job which U.N didn't do very well) 5.Liberate the oppressed/women in Iraq 6.Oil? Hopefully, since the gas prices aren't coming down now |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:31:24 PM EDT
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That's not HIS link. I want to see jimb100's link. I doubt he'll show it. C'mon Jim, show us where you cut and pasted the article from. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 4:35:59 PM EDT
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DU has unloaded the bus..should only last another 5 days and they'll be gone. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:02:46 PM EDT
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Yes, you are a knee jerk neo-con dumbass. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:03:36 PM EDT
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And you would know that how??? |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:05:36 PM EDT
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Dumbass, knee jerk neo con, its all over the news. Open your eyes. Even Fox has it. Being published in the Lancet. |
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:07:26 PM EDT
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you are a dumbass.....
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:08:44 PM EDT
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If the war was for oil, we would lift the embargo on Iranian oil. The Iranian oil fields are every bit as plentiful as the one's found in Iraq, however, we just don't use them because of the regime currently in power. So don't play the fucking "No War For Oil" card you liberal Dick-Cheese.
Someone's been gayed 
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Posted: 10/28/2004 5:15:11 PM EDT
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Again, stop with the name calling, and show us where you cut and pasted it from. C'mon. Why are you so afraid? Coward. Show exactly from where you cut and pasted this: The Associated Press Updated: 11:48 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2004LONDON - A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months after the U.S. invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war... There is no official figure for the number of Iraqis killed since the conflict began, but some non-governmental estimates range from 10,000 to 30,000...The survey indicated violence accounted for most of the extra deaths seen since the invasion, and air strikes from coalition forces caused most of the violent deaths. |
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