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Posted: 2/6/2006 11:47:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 11:54:06 AM EDT by XGunBunny]
Great story by Arnaud de Borchgrave. Diplomacy is not going to get us out of this crisis. Not even sure a medium size military strike will do any good. We may be on the briink of full out nuclear war in the mideast if President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his loyal few are not dealt with immediately.

Here is the story. http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060205-100341-6320r_page2.htm

The man in charge of hoodwinking the Western powers about Iran's now 18-year-old secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Shi'ite creed has convinced him lesser mortals can not only influence but hasten the awaited return of the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds this will be Muhammad ibn Hasan, the righteous descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at age 5. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.
"The ultimate promise of all Divine religions," says Ahmadinejad, "will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being [the 12th Imam], who is heir to all prophets. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. Oh mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one." He reckons the return of the Imam, AWOL for 11 centuries, is only two years away.
Mr. Ahmadinejad is close to the messianic Hojjatieh Society, which is governed by the conviction the 12th Imam's return will be hastened by "the creation of chaos on Earth." He has fired Iran's most experienced diplomats and scores of other officials, presumably those who don't share his belief in apocalyptic conflagration.
The Iranian leader's finger on a nuclear trigger would be disquieting under any circumstances. Positively alarming would be a nuclear weapon in the hands of a man who badgers Israel, the U.S. and the European Union in belief a pre-emptive aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities will hasten the return of the missing Mahdi. Such an attack presumably would trigger anti-Western mayhem throughout the Middle East.
When he became Iran's sixth president since the 1979 revolution last summer, Mr. Ahmadinejad decided to donate $20 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the faithful can drop their missives to the "Hidden Imam" in a holy well. Tehran's working-class faithful are convinced the new president and his Cabinet signed a "compact" pledging themselves to precipitate the return of the Mahdi -- and dropped it down Jamkaran's well with the Mahdi's zip code.
In Mr. Ahmadinejad's eyes, Iran is strong, with oil inching up to $70 a barrel and America, dependent on foreign oil, is weak. He has said publicly America and Europe have far more to lose than Iran if the U.N. Security Council votes for tough economic sanctions. He also figures if Israeli and/or U.S. warplanes strike Iran, all he has to do is give the U.S. a hard time in Iraq as American forces prepare to withdraw.
Moving two or three Iranian divisions into Iraq and activating Shi'ite suicide bombers and hit squads throughout the region would not be too hard for a country that fought an 8-year war against Iraq (1980-88) and had no compunction about giving thousands of youngsters a key to paradise and 72 virgins before sending them across Iraqi minefields.
A top Ahmadinejad officer, Brig. Gen. Mohammad Kossari, who heads the political watchdog, or Security Bureau, of Iran's armed forces, recently taunted the U.S. when he bragged "we have identified all the weak points of our enemies" and have sufficient cannon fodder -- i.e., suicide operation volunteers -- "ready to strike at these sensitive locations." Iranian television recently broadcast an animated film for Iranian children glorifying suicide bombers.
So far, Supreme Leader and Chief of State Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who sits in the holy city of Qom, has not expostulated. Mr. Ahmadinejad appears to have his religious rear well covered. His ideological mentor and spiritual guide is Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi who heads the ultraconservative acolytes who believe the 12th Imam's return is "imminent."
The son of a blacksmith, Mr. Ahmadinejad earned an engineering Ph.D. and is a former member of Iran's notorious Revolutionary Guards at a time when dissidents and "counterrevolutionaries" were executed by the thousands.
A.Q. Khan, father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, first showed Iran how to build a nuclear weapon 18 years ago. He opened his nuclear black market to Iranian engineers and scientists.
The Bush administration is anxious to clear the decks in a democratic Iraq before facing the Islamist counterpart of the "Rapture" in the "Left Behind" series of books on the end of times by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins.
President Bush says all options are on the table. But the military option is probably the one the "twelvers" would look forward to. Some Washington think tank strategists argue if Iran's Dr. Strangelove attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon, five Iranian cities would be vaporized next day.
It might behoove the United States to sit down with "axis of evil" Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine that kept the Soviet Union and the U.S. at peace for a half-century could still be made to work.
In any event, one would have to be irredeemably myopic not to see that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program. The only question is how far this secret program is from delivering a usable weapon and fitting it in the nose cone of a Shahab-3 missile with the range to reach Israel. The Israeli Air Force will be "overhead" Iran long before.


Edited for spelling error.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:50:16 AM EDT
has to happen some time....might as well get it over with.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:50:24 AM EDT
Surely you are mistaken! After all they members of.....oh, well you know....

They want to kill us? Nahh, can't be....

Another nail in the coffin for them, as far as I am concerned....
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:52:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 11:53:12 AM EDT by ohiofarmer]
Great article. I read it ealier today. If this interests you, you should pick up Kenneth Pollack's book "The Persian Puzzle." A great read that explains alot.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:53:35 AM EDT
They have no problem ending the world, so long as the filthy Jews go first.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:54:14 AM EDT
Yeah, Ahmenejad (sp?) is an apocalyptic type. Sweet.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:57:56 AM EDT
"It might behoove the United States to sit down with "axis of evil" Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine that kept the Soviet Union and the U.S. at peace for a half-century could still be made to work. "

I doubt it because they WANT to be martyrs.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:58:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 12:00:07 PM EDT by XGunBunny]
Now guys, be nice. I did not post this article to be a bashing post on the ROP.

I just wanted to post the article about the fact that the President of Iran and his supporters are a bunch of nutballs. They actually want to hasten the end of the world.

Now as a Christian, I belive in the apocalypse the way it is described in the Bible, and I am looking forward to the second coming of Christ. That being said, in no way do I want to hasten his return. I look at it this way. It is God's plan and his timetable, he can end it whenever and however he wants.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:34:20 PM EDT
If there be trouble, let be now, so that my children may have peace.


-K
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:37:36 PM EDT
This is an old Nietsche philosophy, Hitler believed it completely. Only with total destruction of the old and corrupt can the rebirth occur of all that is strong and good. It's the rebirth of the Phoenix, or whatever they decide to call it. We're going to have to destroy them or they will destroy us. They are like fire ants. It is not possible to coexist with them. Wish Israel (with our visible help) would go on and take out the MFers along wth any other ROP country that supports them, then we can take over the Arabian Gulf and settle everything down and have cheap gas.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:46:24 PM EDT
No problem. When ibn Hasan comes out of his "occlusion" King Arthur will wake up and whack him. Geez. Maybe some of these turkeys AREN'T ready for democracy. Wait. That's what I said after the last Alabama state elections. Nevermind.

I'll bet if it goes off, the DUmmies will still be whining about "give peace a chance" as they glow off into the sunset.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:47:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XGunBunny:
Now guys, be nice. I did not post this article to be a bashing post on the ROP.

I just wanted to post the article about the fact that the President of Iran and his supporters are a bunch of nutballs. They actually want to hasten the end of the world.

Now as a Christian, I belive in the apocalypse the way it is described in the Bible, and I am looking forward to the second coming of Christ. That being said, in no way do I want to hasten his return. I look at it this way. It is God's plan and his timetable, he can end it whenever and however he wants.



+1

Plus, He has blessed me with a lot of ammo to go through first.

APOCALYPSE POW! POW!POW!POW!POW!

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:49:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Special-K:
If there be trouble, let be now, so that my children may have peace.


-K



Yeah, well, that's what my Dad, said. And his Dad, and his, and his Dad too....

We go not overseas in search of monsters to destroy.

I don't know, it's a no-win situation.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 12:51:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XGunBunny:

Edited for spelling error.



perhaps you could edit for paragraph breaks.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:22:41 PM EDT
I only wish the msm would publicize this guy a lot more. He really is scary.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:44:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:29:48 PM EDT
with the ever growing hostility between muslims everywhere and the rest of the world, the religion of peace is only going to increase violence and demands. It seems it's becoming more obvious to people in a lot of countries that muslims are a plauge to peace and civilized society.
Diplomacy with these people will never do anything, an big armed confrontation with them is inevitable.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:11:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:

Originally Posted By XGunBunny:

Edited for spelling error.



perhaps you could edit for paragraph breaks.



I didn't type the story out, just copied and pasted it off of the Washington Times webpage. Not really into editing someone elses work.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:21:47 PM EDT
I will keep saying this: The next 120 days will be some of the most interesting we've ever seen. Iran will not give up their nuclear program, and the West won't allow it to continue. The Russian option that calls for Russia making it for them and shipping it to them, imo, will not work. They have bigger plans than electricity for their country.

I'm sure Israel's already well-prepared for a 1st strike and the retaliatory response Iran produces...the real question is: Can Iran deliver nuclear-powered missiles right now. I'm just as concerned about China in the Middle East-moreso than Russia.

Someone just may take him out--like the failed attempt-2 weeks ago before his plans get put into action, but I highly doubt this will happen. There's just too much going on right now to expect anything good in the coming months.

HH
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:27:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 7:29:30 PM EDT by BangStick1]
All hail our new Overlord.




Wait, isn't the arm supposed to extend over the head?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:34:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 7:35:12 PM EDT by jj01]
I think that gorillaz should do a song - "sunshine in a can" just for the occasion.

End of the world - they don't need Armageddon as an excuse. Wait till they get the bomb then have the Times run a couple cartoons of Mohamed. Ooops sorry, that's the Pentagons recommendation to the president....now I'm in big trouble.....chit. Probably gonna loose my clearance on that one...crap
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:49:42 PM EDT
Apparently, they DO have capabilities right now:

HH

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U.S.: Iran Has 'Capability'

Monday, February 06, 2006

WASHINGTON — Iran used negotiations with the European Union to play for time and has now achieved the ability to both develop nuclear weapons and deliver them, a senior Bush administration official said Monday.

At a news conference at the Foreign Press Center, Robert G. Joseph, the undersecretary of state for arms control, cited "tremendous resources" as well as a "very sophisticated, a very advanced scientific and technical community" as helpful to Iran.

He offered no assessment of how long it might take Iran to produce nuclear weapons.

President Bush, approving of a decision by the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council, said in a statement Saturday that Iran was "continuing to develop the capability to build nuclear weapons."

Joseph took it a step further. "I would say that Iran does have the capability to develop nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them," he said in a response to a question.

With the Europeans having declared two years of negotiations with Iran at a dead-end, Joseph said "there is no end of diplomacy" and that taking Iran to the Security Council was "moving diplomacy to the next level."

"We are giving every chance to diplomacy to work," Joseph said.

At the same time, the official said, "No options are off the table. We cannot tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran."

"What is necessary to stop Iran," he said, "is a firm indication that the international community not only will speak to the issue but will take whatever measures are necessary to convince Iran that it is in its interest to forgo a nuclear weapons capability."

In a compromise agreement with Russia, the administration has agreed to delay any proposal for action against Iran, such as political or economic sanctions, at least until early March.

In the interim, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, "We will wait and see what they (Iran) say, and more important, what they do."

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:54:03 PM EDT
There are other geopolitical actions that have to happen prior to the nucs going off, but the time-line could be shortened dramatically depending on how much of the crap coming out of his mouth he really believes.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:01:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I will keep saying this: The next 120 days will be some of the most interesting we've ever seen. Iran will not give up their nuclear program, and the West won't allow it to continue. The Russian option that calls for Russia making it for them and shipping it to them, imo, will not work. They have bigger plans than electricity for their country.

I'm sure Israel's already well-prepared for a 1st strike and the retaliatory response Iran produces...the real question is: Can Iran deliver nuclear-powered missiles right now. I'm just as concerned about China in the Middle East-moreso than Russia.

Someone just may take him out--like the failed attempt-2 weeks ago before his plans get put into action, but I highly doubt this will happen. There's just too much going on right now to expect anything good in the coming months.

HH



Yup, every morning I turn on Fox anxious (meaning hestitant of, not wanting to) of hearing that Iran was bombed or Iran bombed Israel...etc...

On a related side note, what does the Bible say about the end days? Will it start in the Middle East? What happens? Seeing as how Bush is so devote, could he be influenced by biblical prophecy. Now don't get me wrong - I AM NOT SAYING BUSH WOULD PURPOSEFULLY BRING ABOUT THE END TIMES. I am just wondering if he could see those prophesies as begining to be fulfilled and be......more ready to engage?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:04:29 PM EDT
Tagged for morning.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:08:15 PM EDT
SHHH!
this is Arfcom. You are only allowed to say happy-feely things about the Jihadists Muslims.
Keep this kind of talk up and you will all be locked and banned.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:23:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAndRetarded:
SHHH!
this is Arfcom. You are only allowed to say happy-feely things about the Jihadists Muslims.
Keep this kind of talk up and you will all be locked and banned.




That's it Mr - you're outta here!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:35:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Yossarian:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I will keep saying this: The next 120 days will be some of the most interesting we've ever seen. Iran will not give up their nuclear program, and the West won't allow it to continue. The Russian option that calls for Russia making it for them and shipping it to them, imo, will not work. They have bigger plans than electricity for their country.

I'm sure Israel's already well-prepared for a 1st strike and the retaliatory response Iran produces...the real question is: Can Iran deliver nuclear-powered missiles right now. I'm just as concerned about China in the Middle East-moreso than Russia.

Someone just may take him out--like the failed attempt-2 weeks ago before his plans get put into action, but I highly doubt this will happen. There's just too much going on right now to expect anything good in the coming months.

HH



Yup, every morning I turn on Fox anxious (meaning hestitant of, not wanting to) of hearing that Iran was bombed or Iran bombed Israel...etc...

On a related side note, what does the Bible say about the end days? Will it start in the Middle East? What happens? Seeing as how Bush is so devote, could he be influenced by biblical prophecy. Now don't get me wrong - I AM NOT SAYING BUSH WOULD PURPOSEFULLY BRING ABOUT THE END TIMES. I am just wondering if he could see those prophesies as begining to be fulfilled and be......more ready to engage?



That's exactly right. You'll see it in posts on any message board where people argue over foreign policy if you pay attention to the doctrinal positions of the posters.

The belief in prophesy changes the threat assessment dramatically, because there really isn't a worst case scenario. It often isn't even conscious, but it's there.

Christians don't all agree on the specifics, the view that's most prevelent among American evangelicals (dispensationalism) isn't popular anywhere else.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:57:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BangStick1:
All hail our new Overlord.

img473.imageshack.us/img473/6259/woziontop26ch.jpg


Wait, isn't the arm supposed to extend over the head?




Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:10:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAndRetarded:
SHHH!
this is Arfcom. You are only allowed to say happy-feely things about the Jihadists Muslims.
Keep this kind of talk up and you will all be locked and banned.




A great example of part of the wrong side of the problem over here. (Well that and beating a dead horse, that has been beat way too many times) Most Americans (including all the Bush haters) are ignorant about the Jihadists that actively want the return of the Caliphate or more. Some think it is all Moslems, when it really is a small fraction of the moslems. Most of the Moslem world is like most of the Christian world. Hey the end times are fine, but they are more than happy to have them happen several generations at least down the line from now. Plus at this time only the Iranians are anywhere close to having the capability and the intent and the religious motivation to think they can attack the West and/or Israel. Most of the rest of the countries have neither the capability or the intent, and they all have figured out that even if they win the fallout is a loss for everybody.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 11:37:08 PM EDT
I cant wait to get another chance to kill muslims in their backyard...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 9:37:50 PM EDT
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