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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:43:53 AM EDT
President Hassan Rouhani said Saturday he
opposes a parliamentary vote on the landmark nuclear deal reached with
world powers because terms of the agreement would turn into legal
obligations if passed by lawmakers.  

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Link Posted: 8/31/2015 11:49:17 AM EDT
FIran and FBHO
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 11:51:00 AM EDT
Fine, how about an "otherwise we'll put a JDAM up your ass" obligation?
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 11:51:31 AM EDT
This should surprise no one.  NO ONE.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 11:52:39 AM EDT
Oh wow a surprise revelation!

oh and FBHO
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:00:35 PM EDT
One of the interesting aspects of the Iranian nuke deal is the Iranians may not approve it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:02:01 PM EDT
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It doesn't.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:07:58 PM EDT
What?? This can't be!! The UN willl not tolerate this.....
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:14:04 PM EDT
That's ok, because the chances of this "deal" surviving another 18 months is slim to none.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:16:12 PM EDT
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It doesn't.

The only surprising thing is that it took 'em this long.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:25:30 PM EDT
But fuckobama said it would be OK.
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On of the interesting aspects of the Iranian nuke deal is the US Congress may not approve it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:29:41 PM EDT
Kerry got rolled by the Iranians, who are much smarter than him.



They do this shit every time, and the west falls for it like morons.




This is what you get from a point of complete weakness.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:29:41 PM EDT
Somewhere, in a gay bath house basement, John Kerry is counting his cash...
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:29:50 PM EDT
I wouldn't trust FBHO or John Kerry to negotiate the price of a cheeseburger for me, yet here they are, giving away our country's vital interests to a belligerent regime.
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President Hassan Rouhani said Saturday he opposes a parliamentary vote on the landmark nuclear deal reached with world powers because terms of the agreement would turn into legal obligations if passed by lawmakers.  
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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SO, why is this still an issue?
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Who's going to give the order? Obama?

 
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:36:30 PM EDT
Hmmm.    If you read the article this comes across more as a political question or separation of powers argument between branches of the Iranian government.   In other words, apart from all the BS about this particular deal, why should a country's legislative body pass a foreign relations agreement into law?   It's not as if the country is going to enforce it against itself, after all.  That's the job of other countries, with a JDAM if it comes to it.  

In the US example, even though the current opposition to the Iranian deal is 80% uninformed political nonsense, we have historical and constitutional reasons for legislative review of executive agreements with other countries. It is basically a check on executive power, which is certainly a good thing.  

In other words, don't read to much into it.  Just because the president of Iran would rather not deal with his own legislators, does not necessarily speak to their willingness to abide by the agreement.  Our own presidents - not just the current, shitty one -  would rather not deal with their own legislative branch either.    
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:38:27 PM EDT
For reference here is the full text of the deal.  Full text of Joint Resolution
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 12:42:49 PM EDT
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The US retains the ability to do that at any time.

What's the one thing that will reliably prevent Americans from grabbing their feels and bombing your shit? Nukes. America has a strong history of incentivizing nuclear development.
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Hmmm.    If you read the article this comes across more as a political question or separation of powers argument between branches of the Iranian government.   In other words, apart from all the BS about this particular deal, why should a country's legislative body pass a foreign relations agreement into law?   It's not as if the country is going to enforce it against itself, after all.  That's the job of other countries, with a JDAM if it comes to it.  



In the US example, even though the current opposition to the Iranian deal is 80% uninformed political nonsense, we have historical and constitutional reasons for legislative review of executive agreements with other countries. It is basically a check on executive power, which is certainly a good thing.  



In other words, don't read to much into it.  Just because the president of Iran would rather not deal with his own legislators, does not necessarily speak to their willingness to abide by the agreement.  Our own presidents - not just the current, shitty one -  would rather not deal with their own legislative branch either.    

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not deal with his own legislators, does not necessarily speak to their
willingness to abide by the agreement.




Actually, it says just the opposite.  If Iran's president was willing to abide by the deal, he'd ask the Iranian legislature for some sort of approval.    





 
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 3:38:39 PM EDT
So even with Ofucktards side deal that they could inspect themselves, that's not good enough?

Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.
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Actually, it says just the opposite.  If Iran's president was willing to abide by the deal, he'd ask the Iranian legislature for some sort of approval.    

 
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Hmmm.    If you read the article this comes across more as a political question or separation of powers argument between branches of the Iranian government.   In other words, apart from all the BS about this particular deal, why should a country's legislative body pass a foreign relations agreement into law?   It's not as if the country is going to enforce it against itself, after all.  That's the job of other countries, with a JDAM if it comes to it.  

In the US example, even though the current opposition to the Iranian deal is 80% uninformed political nonsense, we have historical and constitutional reasons for legislative review of executive agreements with other countries. It is basically a check on executive power, which is certainly a good thing.  

In other words, don't read to much into it.  Just because the president of Iran would rather not deal with his own legislators, does not necessarily speak to their willingness to abide by the agreement.  Our own presidents - not just the current, shitty one -  would rather not deal with their own legislative branch either.    
Just because the president of Iran would rather not deal with his own legislators, does not necessarily speak to their willingness to abide by the agreement.

Actually, it says just the opposite.  If Iran's president was willing to abide by the deal, he'd ask the Iranian legislature for some sort of approval.    

 


Well, if your argument is that he would want some sort of "cover" or approval from his legislature, that seems like a reasonable point.  On the other hand, he may want as much flexibility as possible.  For example, if the Iranian government saw the need to pull out because the west or the United States reneged on the deal, he might not want his hands tied or his actions delayed.    Remember, half the Republican challengers for the US presidency have publicly said they would pull out of the deal on their first day.      That being the case, why would Rouhani be in a big hurry to have it written into Iranian law?    I agree this AP article seems like a bad sign at first glance, but we assume a lot about their politics and point of view if we look at it only one way.  

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Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 3:57:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 3:58:17 PM EDT
I think he correct.
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well no shit.

There are many,many reasons not to retify the stupid treaty.

the number one, single most important, show stopper, do not pass go-do not collect 200.00 reason: THE QUEEN MUM, in your face biggest reason is:

THE ARE DECEITFUL PIECES OF SHIT WHO WILL NOT HONOR AND AGREEMENT THAT ANYONE PUTS ON THE TABLE.

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well no shit.

There are many,many reasons not to retify the stupid treaty.

the number one, single most important, show stopper, do not pass go-do not collect 200.00 reason: THE QUEEN MUM, in your face biggest reason is:

THE ARE DECEITFUL PIECES OF SHIT WHO WILL NOT HONOR AND AGREEMENT THAT ANYONE PUTS ON THE TABLE.

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President Hassan Rouhani said Saturday he opposes a parliamentary vote on the landmark nuclear deal reached with world powers because terms of the agreement would turn into legal obligations if passed by lawmakers.  
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


well no shit.

There are many,many reasons not to retify the stupid treaty.

the number one, single most important, show stopper, do not pass go-do not collect 200.00 reason: THE QUEEN MUM, in your face biggest reason is:

THE ARE DECEITFUL PIECES OF SHIT WHO WILL NOT HONOR AND AGREEMENT THAT ANYONE PUTS ON THE TABLE.

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It's not a treaty; rather, it's an "executive agreement" which doesn't require that it proceed through the formal ratification process wherein it is ratified by the President after the Senate provides it's 'advice and consent" by means of a 2/3 vote in favor.

I believe that since it's not a binding treaty,  the next President can toss this disaster into the circular file.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 4:17:31 PM EDT
But you promised and we will inspect you.
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Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?


It was done in a side deal, you can download Levins show to listen to it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 4:29:18 PM EDT
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Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.


Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?

I also heard on the radio (Not sure of its truth) that the "deals" in English and Farsi do not match when translated together....but that could be completely made up by the media
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It was done in a side deal, you can download Levins show to listen to it.
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So even with Ofucktards side deal that they could inspect themselves, that's not good enough?

Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.


Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?


It was done in a side deal, you can download Levins show to listen to it.


Ah, well if you've got an authoritative source like a talk radio host, I guess that settles it.
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It's not a treaty; rather, it's an "executive agreement" which doesn't require that it proceed through the formal ratification process wherein it is ratified by the President after the Senate provides it's 'advice and consent" by means of a 2/3 vote in favor.

I believe that since it's not a binding treaty,  the next President can toss this disaster into the circular file.
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President Hassan Rouhani said Saturday he opposes a parliamentary vote on the landmark nuclear deal reached with world powers because terms of the agreement would turn into legal obligations if passed by lawmakers.  
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


well no shit.

There are many,many reasons not to retify the stupid treaty.

the number one, single most important, show stopper, do not pass go-do not collect 200.00 reason: THE QUEEN MUM, in your face biggest reason is:

THE ARE DECEITFUL PIECES OF SHIT WHO WILL NOT HONOR AND AGREEMENT THAT ANYONE PUTS ON THE TABLE.

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It's not a treaty; rather, it's an "executive agreement" which doesn't require that it proceed through the formal ratification process wherein it is ratified by the President after the Senate provides it's 'advice and consent" by means of a 2/3 vote in favor.

I believe that since it's not a binding treaty,  the next President can toss this disaster into the circular file.


That is correct.  It's also a good reason the Iranians might not want to bother coding it into Iranian law.
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Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.



Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?
That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  



An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use
its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear
arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site







 
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That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  

An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

 
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So even with Ofucktards side deal that they could inspect themselves, that's not good enough?

Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.

Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?
That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  

An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

 


Thanks Lurch much appreciated.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 5:27:34 PM EDT


who exactly did Obama negotiate this thing with?
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Thanks Lurch much appreciated.
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So even with Ofucktards side deal that they could inspect themselves, that's not good enough?

Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.

Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?
That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  

An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

 


Thanks Lurch much appreciated.


One of the red flags to the entire fiasco is the fact that due to shady side deals,  "the full text of the deal" doesn't actually contain "the full text of the deal".
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That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  

An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

 
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So even with Ofucktards side deal that they could inspect themselves, that's not good enough?

Ofucktard needs to stick to renaming mountains and looking around for his sons.

Here's the full text of the deal  Could you point out the page where it says they can inspect themselves?
That's not the full text of the deal.   The secret agreement with the IAEA allows the Iranians to inspect themselves.  

An unusual secret agreement with a U.N. agency will allow Iran to use its own experts to inspect a site allegedly used to develop nuclear arms, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9f4e40803924a8ab4c61cb65b2b2bb3/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-work-site

 


Thanks for providing that.  That is interesting and potentially significant.
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well no shit.

There are many,many reasons not to retify the stupid treaty.

the number one, single most important, show stopper, do not pass go-do not collect 200.00 reason: THE QUEEN MUM, in your face biggest reason is:

THE ARE DECEITFUL PIECES OF SHIT WHO WILL NOT HONOR AND AGREEMENT THAT ANYONE PUTS ON THE TABLE.

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just a little al-taqiyya, bro. Chill.
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 5:57:34 PM EDT
(Obama) "It's the best deal we have." (Obama)
Link Posted: 8/31/2015 6:33:04 PM EDT
Worst president ever.
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But the Kenyan made a solemn promise that we'd have peace in our time.  


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