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Posted: 10/4/2005 5:22:54 PM EDT
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Contents of Homicide trends in the U.S.

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Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
Blacks were 6 times more likely than whites to be murdered in 2002
To view data, click on the chart.

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For more information about racial patterns in violent victimization
see Key Facts at a Glance.

Blacks were 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2002
To view data, click on the chart.

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The race distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide
For the years 1976-2002 combined -

Black victims are greatly over represented in homicides involving drugs. Compared with the overall involvement of blacks as victims, blacks are less often the victims of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison.


Race patterns among offenders are similar to those among victims.
Homicide Type by Race, 1976-2002
 Victims    Offenders
White Black Other   White Black Other
All homicides 51.1% 46.8% 2.1%   45.9% 52.1% 2.0%
Victim/offender relationship              
Intimate 56.2% 41.7% 2.2%   54.0% 43.9% 2.1%
Family 60.2% 37.4% 2.3%   58.8% 38.9% 2.2%
Infanticide 55.6% 41.9% 2.5%   55.0% 42.5% 2.5%
Eldercide 68.9% 29.6% 1.5%   53.9% 44.6% 1.6%
Circumstances              
Felony murder 55.0% 42.4% 2.5%   39.2% 59.2% 1.6%
Sex related 67.1% 30.5% 2.4%   55.2% 42.9% 1.9%
Drug related 37.0% 62.1% .9%   33.5% 65.5% 1.1%
Gang related 57.9% 38.7% 3.4%   54.3% 41.5% 4.2%
Argument 48.3% 49.7% 2.0%   46.5% 51.4% 2.1%
Workplace 85.2% 11.6% 3.2%   69.7% 27.3% 3.0%
Weapon              
Gun homicide 47.6% 50.6% 1.8%   42.3% 56.0% 1.7%
Arson 59.3% 37.8% 2.9%   55.5% 42.3% 2.2%
Poison 80.6% 17.1% 2.4%   78.8% 19.3% 1.9%
Multiple victims or offenders              
Multiple victims 64.1% 32.5% 3.3%   56.6% 40.1% 3.3%
Multiple offenders 55.3% 42.0% 2.7%   45.0% 52.6% 2.3%

Although slightly less true now than before,
most murders are intraracial
From 1976 to 2002 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks
To view data, click on the chart.

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Stranger homicides are more likely to cross racial lines than those that involve friends or acquaintances
For homicides committed by --

a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 1 in 10 is interracial
a stranger to the victim, almost 3 in 10 are interracial
To view data, click on the chart.

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Source: FBI, Supplementary Homicide Reports, 1976-2002.
    See also Additional information about the data.

Note: The victims of the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks are not included in this analysis.

Related charts on this site

The number of homicides of children under age 5 by race, 1976-2002
Homicide victimization rates for children under age 5 by race, 1976-2002
Homicides of intimates by gender and race of victim, 1976-2002
Intimate homicide rates by race, gender and relationship, 1976-2002


Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:26:20 PM EDT
[#1]
3 pages, then a lock.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:31:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Oh shit just thought about that.  Honestly not my intent.

Keep the racist shit to yourself and lets talk sociology.

Thank you in advance for keeping it civil.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:46:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Near 70 views and no thoughts?

Is the problem cultural or socio-economic or other?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:51:11 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Keep the racist shit to yourself and lets talk sociology.
Thank you in advance for keeping it civil.



You can't do that in America in 2005.  

The minute any negative fact or negative trend is associated with a certain ethnic group, the race card gets laid out face up.  


Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:52:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Don't let the facts get in the way. Just ask any cop who he arrests more.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:54:26 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Don't let the facts get in the way. Just ask any cop who he arrests more.



True enough, ask him what ethnicity is not numerous in high-crime areas too.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:55:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Note:  The doj is putting hispanic in with white, that is why the white victim and perp. numbers are so high.   If hispanic is considered separately then the white numbers would be down around 23 percent.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:57:32 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Keep the racist shit to yourself and lets talk sociology.
Thank you in advance for keeping it civil.



You can't do that in America in 2005.  

The minute any negative fact or negative trend is associated with a certain ethnic group, the race card gets laid out face up.  





Unfortunantly thats SO true

Welome to america the home of the PC
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:58:22 PM EDT
[#9]
You have posed an unsolvable problem. If we can talk about race and crime, then you are not going to have a discussion.  Change the question if you want to have a discussion.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:00:39 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Note:  The doj is putting hispanic in with white, that is why the white victim and perp. numbers are so high.   If hispanic is considered separately then the white numbers would be down around 23 percent.



Can you provide a link that supports this?  Or any info to support this?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:04:02 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Note:  The doj is putting hispanic in with white, that is why the white victim and perp. numbers are so high.   If hispanic is considered separately then the white numbers would be down around 23 percent.



Can you provide a link that supports this?  Or any info to support this?



The Uniform Crime Report and the National Crime Victimization Study shoul clarify.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:06:23 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
You have posed an unsolvable problem. If we can talk about race and crime, then you are not going to have a discussion.  Change the question if you want to have a discussion.



I suspect anyone who saw it on A.T. or G.D. has read it already though.  What question do you propose?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:12:35 PM EDT
[#13]
black racists look at this data and see the evil white man keeping the black man down.

white racists look at the same data and see the inherent infereriority of blacks.

Most of the rest of us see a problem, clearly, but see no path to a resolution that is worth sinking our treasure into (tangible and psychological).  To even suggest anything resembling a solution is to be labeled and derided by one of the above racist camps.   Who subject yourself to that?

Its one of those tragic things that you view as a years (decades) long train wreck, like the Sudan, or Somolia, or North Korea, or France.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:27:33 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
black racists look at this data and see the evil white man keeping the black man down.

white racists look at the same data and see the inherent infereriority of blacks.

Most of the rest of us see a problem, clearly, but see no path to a resolution that is worth sinking our treasure into (tangible and psychological).  To even suggest anything resembling a solution is to be labeled and derided by one of the above racist camps.   Who subject yourself to that?

Its one of those tragic things that you view as a years (decades) long train wreck, like the Sudan, or Somolia, or North Korea, or France.



I think he covered it pretty well, except the train wreck is geologic in pace.  The solutions aren't easy, nor will they be accepted by the "victim class".  As long as we tiptoe around the issue so as not to offend anyone, we will necver address any of the problems.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:31:02 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
black racists look at this data and see the evil white man keeping the black man down.

white racists look at the same data and see the inherent infereriority of blacks.

Most of the rest of us see a problem, clearly, but see no path to a resolution that is worth sinking our treasure into (tangible and psychological).  To even suggest anything resembling a solution is to be labeled and derided by one of the above racist camps.   Who subject yourself to that?

Its one of those tragic things that you view as a years (decades) long train wreck, like the Sudan, or Somolia, or North Korea, or France.



I think he covered it pretty well, except the train wreck is geologic in pace.  The solutions aren't easy, nor will they be accepted by the "victim class".  As long as we tiptoe around the issue so as not to offend anyone, we will necver address any of the problems.



No PC answer is their, thus noone will address the problem.  That is what you are both saying right?
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:35:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Bump for more.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 12:56:40 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Note:  The doj is putting hispanic in with white, that is why the white victim and perp. numbers are so high.   If hispanic is considered separately then the white numbers would be down around 23 percent.



Can you provide a link that supports this?  Or any info to support this?



It's not all hispanics either. It's just hispanics from countries other than Mexico. They also do the same with blacks from countries other than Africa or Haiti.

Also, this crushes the socio economic theory. On the census berau website, they break down poverty by race. They have in big bold letters, this disclaimer at the bottom:

"Hispanics can be of any race, but most are white."

Given that information, Hispanics lead the nation in poverty, followed closely by whites and with blacks in a distant third. Finally comes native Americans and eskimos, and then "other" which includes various asians and jews and arabs and such.

This shows us that the leading group for poverty are whites. If MOST Hispanics are actually white....that puts whites in as the group most affected by poverty. Which makes alot of sense, since whites comprise a majority here. Yet Whites show the lowest percentages for violent, property, and rape crimes. Many others as well, since the FBI UCR shows many things such as infanticide and others obscure low figure crimes. Hispanics would come in second most affected by poverty. Blacks come in in the lowest poverty bracket, outside of "other". Yet they commit the most crime per capita, with hispanics right behind them.

More importantly, why are the powers that be trying to intentionally skew White crime stats upward while driving White poverty rates downward? Could it be someone is trying to lead us to a false conclusion, or is it just coincidence or beuracracy at it's finest?


There's no way to address this as other than a racial issue, since that's precisely what it is. Some people have trouble coming to terms with that, which is primarily due to mainstream media in my opinion.

Anybody with two eyes and a brain knows what the root of the problem is, wether they are inclined to admit it or not.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:00:18 PM EDT
[#18]
There's nothing interesting in those stats. Who hasn't figured out that the numbers were going to turn out that way before? C'mon, people aren't dumb enough not to notice trends.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 1:20:06 PM EDT
[#19]
The same cultural and personal failures that instill and lead people to crime also lead them to poverty regardless of the economic opportunities around them. In times and areas of economic hardship, those who are poor because their internal cultural 'poverty of character'  share the misery with those who find themselves poor simply because of economic downturns. When more people lose their job and the poverty rate rises temporarily, the perpetually jobless dregs of society don't feel so bad. So when poverty temporarily rises, crime doesn't necessarily increase because the "new" poor (who are only poor for the short term until they get back on their feet) don't have the same personal and cultural deficits that keep the lowest dregs and thugs poor and which also drive them to commit crimes.

Supporting this are many studies which have shown the correlation between poverty and crime is not significant. Interestingly though, crime correlates significantly with "income inequality" - to me that implies that envy, jealousy, selfishness, resentment, anger and hostility are triggered when those afflicted with poverty of character see others around them succeeding because of their own hard work personal responsiblity.  The thugs don't like seeing poor people succeed and rise out of poverty because that just highlights how culturally and personally bankrupt THEY are by comparison.

Bottomline:
Poverty does not "cause" crime and is not even correlated with it. However, in a growing subculture of people, poverty and crime are shared consequences of their own decrepit cultural and personal failures.

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