Interesting/freak AD (PICS) Sorry if this is a dupe

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Posted: 2/6/2006 7:23:22 AM EDT

Recieved this through an LE email news letter I get. Thought I'd share.

Here's the story.

"Those drawstings are a real pain in the ass!"

All,
This incident involves a Sheriff’s Deputy in Louisiana this past week. He went to the range and was shooting with a raid jacket (with a draw string) as their policy dictates. He was using a paddle holster with his duty carry weapon and often uses the same holster for duty carry.
He completed the qualification, reloaded the weapon for duty carry and holstered his weapon at the range. When he holstered his weapon the draw stri! ng attachment became lodged in trigger guard. This deputy then went some period of time and went home. When he removed the paddle holster the draw string pulled tight and discharged the weapon with the firearm in the holster. The deputy was shot in the outer thigh and buttocks. The deputy will be fine.

Definitely a freak accident, but something we should all be aware of, as we shoot with similar jackets.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:29:16 AM EDT

[#1]

Owww !. I hate it when that happens

Glad the Dep. will be okay.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:30:25 AM EDT

[#2]

My agency got an alert about this. Truly an accidental discharge. But this is what can happen when a pistol has a five-pound, short draw trigger and no external safety.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:30:58 AM EDT

[#3]

OUCH !!!! That IS a FREAK accident!

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:34:16 AM EDT

[#4]

Fired from holster... UNREGISTERED AOW!!!!!!!

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:35:53 AM EDT

[#5]

What do you expect, it's a Glock

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:12:55 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
What do you expect, it's a Glock

Aaaaaaand the thread goes downhill from here..

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:18:54 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
But this is what can happen when ~~a pistol has a five-pound, short draw trigger and no external safety.~~ people use gear that gets in the way of their paddle holster.

Fixed it for you. The cop holstered his weapon with a DRAWSTRING inside the triggerguard. He was on the gun range. What, he couldn't check to make sure he re-holstered properly? I always do.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:21:11 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
But this is what can happen when ~~a pistol has a five-pound, short draw trigger and no external safety.~~ people use gear that gets in the way of their paddle holster.

Fixed it for you. The cop holstered his weapon with a DRAWSTRING inside the triggerguard. He was on the gun range. What, he couldn't check to make sure he re-holstered properly? I always do.

Operator error. Not the pistol's fault in any way.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:29:23 AM EDT

[#9]

By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:32:13 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

So even if you noticed the problem, how do you fix it without setting off the gun?

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:33:42 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

So even if you noticed the problem, how do you fix it without setting off the gun?

Remove it from the holster. The cord wouldn't pull BACK on the trigger in that case.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:37:48 AM EDT

[#12]

I guess he wasn't the only one in the room professional enough to carry a Glock fo-tay.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:41:21 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

Of course it was an accident, and thus an AD. But I'd probably agree with you that was also an ND.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:45:06 AM EDT

[#14]

Damn, can you imagine his shock? He must have been jumping around like the proverbial cat on a hot tin roof. F-in' ouch.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:45:33 AM EDT

[#15]

It was GWBs fault, like everything else that happens in my state

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:48:25 AM EDT

[#16]

Drawstring jackets should be banned for the children.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:49:08 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

So even if you noticed the problem, how do you fix it without setting off the gun?

Um take out yer trusty pocket knife and cut the damn drawstring if need be.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:49:46 AM EDT

[#18]

Another Glock.....figures.

From now on, "ND" will no longer be applicable when discussing Glocks.

The new terminology will be " NP " .....for Negligent Purchase.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:49:54 AM EDT

[#19]

Well here's another Ouch!

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:52:24 AM EDT

[#20]

Another LEO did something similar. Took a dump and pulled his pants up. Something caught the Glock on the way up and BAM! But it went through the stall door and almost nailed another LEO in the bathroom. At least he didnt have any problems with constipation.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:53:03 AM EDT

[#21]

I don't care who you are, part of safe CCW is making sure that your clothing works with your weapon set up.

But I guess sometimes, agency policy can turn out to be a real pain in the ass.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:55:59 AM EDT

[#22]

Don't blame the gun, it operated just as it should have.

Posted: 2/6/2006 8:56:50 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Another Glock.....figures.

From now on, "ND" will no longer be applicable when discussing Glocks.

The new terminology will be " NP " .....for Negligent Purchase.

More like "Another person screws up with his pistol."

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:01:15 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
By true definition of the word "accident" this doesn't fall into the AD category. It was an ND.

So even if you noticed the problem, how do you fix it without setting off the gun?
Remove it from the holster. The cord wouldn't pull BACK on the trigger in that case.

In LE the training is generally that officer should be able to re-holster 1 handed, without looking away from the "threat" or "area of responsibility".

My guess is that after the pistol was drawn, and possibly fired, the "string" ended up in or near the holster. When the officer went to re-holster, his hand was on the outside of the gun, the string on the inside. As the gun was inserted into the holster, with the regular resistance from the holster, the string tangled, and the "knob" applied pressure to the trigger.

BLAM.

Not sure what you guys are thinking or describing.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:03:29 AM EDT

[#25]

Wow, crazyness.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:06:03 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
When he removed the paddle holster the draw string pulled tight and discharged the weapon with the firearm in the holster.

Reading comprehension is fundamental.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:09:03 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Another Glock.....figures.

From now on, "ND" will no longer be applicable when discussing Glocks.

The new terminology will be " NP " .....for Negligent Purchase.

I think there should be some kind of intelligence test you have to take when you purchase a Glock. If you're so stupid that you can't help but shoot yourself or someone else on accident then you shouldn't be able to purchase one unless you sign a waiver. That waiver would state that you understand you are technically too dumb to own that particular weapon but you agree to tempt fate anyway and take your chances on possibly killing yourself or someone else due to your own negligence.

If that were the case then we wouldn't have half of these threads on arfcom because either the idiots wouldn't buy Glocks or their waiver would prove that they have no right to complain about shooting a hole in themselves.

Personally, I think that if you need 12 different kinds of safeties to keep from accidentally discharging your weapon you should only be allowed a 10/22 and a .38, that's all.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:35:18 AM EDT

[#28]

I understand the basics of gun safety (20+ years with no NDs/ADs), but I also understand human nature. Everybody has the occasional brain fart. My problem with the Glock is that it has ZERO tolerance for error. If the officer had been carrying a 1911, the discharge would not have happened, because the grip safety would have prevented the pistol from firing. If he had been carrying the pistol that I carry, a S&W 4586, the discharge would not have happened, because even though it has no external safety, it has a ten-pound trigger with a longer stroke.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:41:01 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
I guess he wasn't the only one in the room professional enough to carry a Glock fo-tay.

www.gossipish.com/images/DEAdude.jpg

that is a 9mm

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:43:36 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
I understand the basics of gun safety (20+ years with no NDs/ADs), but I also understand human nature. Everybody has the occasional brain fart. My problem with the Glock is that it has ZERO tolerance for error. If the officer had been carrying a 1911, the discharge would not have happened, because the grip safety would have prevented the pistol from firing. If he had been carrying the pistol that I carry, a S&W 4586, the discharge would not have happened, because even though it has no external safety, it has a ten-pound trigger with a longer stroke.

And if he'd have payed attention to his jacket getting caught in the triggerguard of his pistol, the negligent discharge wouldn't have happened.

Personal Responsibility. The gun performed as designed, and went *BANG* when the trigger was pulled. Nothing defective here. Just a brain-fart. But if you're going to have brain-farts when carrying a pistol, you're gonna end up with a hole in you at one point.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:44:01 AM EDT

[#31]

Cleaner thanks for posting this. I will take this in the spirit it was posted, as a bit of advice or caution so fellow AFRCOM members don't suffer the pain and embarressment the the officer did. So stop picking on the gun and stop picking on the officer, it can happen to any of us.

When it comes to firearm safety we'er never to old or experienced to listen to a new lesson. When we shut our brains to these new lessons is when we get hurt. Thank god there was no one behind the officer when he had his AD.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:47:52 AM EDT

[#32]

I have always run the excess cord back through the lacing so nothing could get hung up. I never thought that it could save me from shooting myself until this thread.
Pat
0-1-25

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:51:02 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I understand the basics of gun safety (20+ years with no NDs/ADs), but I also understand human nature. Everybody has the occasional brain fart. My problem with the Glock is that it has ZERO tolerance for error. If the officer had been carrying a 1911, the discharge would not have happened, because the grip safety would have prevented the pistol from firing. If he had been carrying the pistol that I carry, a S&W 4586, the discharge would not have happened, because even though it has no external safety, it has a ten-pound trigger with a longer stroke.

There are millions of people that carry Glocks every single day without shooting themselves or someone else. If you can't keep from pulling the trigger on a loaded gun or if you can't tell that your gun is holstered incorrectly, then don't buy a Glock.

If you are the kind of person that cannot stay focused when you are handling a firearm then an Glock is not for you.

If you are paranoid that you're going to accidentally discharge the weapon because you don't have a dozen different safeties preventing you from discharging it then a Glock is not for you.

If you can't remember to clear the chamber before you attempt to disassemble the weapon then a Glock is not for you.

If a certain segment of people would accept the fact that they are not responsible enough to handle a Glock then we wouldn't have most of these accidents. Everyone would be better off if they would go buy a 1911 and carry it cocked and locked or hammer down on an empty chamber.

There is no excuse for having a "brain fart" when you've got a loaded weapon in your possesion. That is where the negligent from ND comes in.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:56:45 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

does posting in larger colored font make you feel better as a person?

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:59:39 AM EDT

[#35]

One thing you guys are missing, The officer did not have his raid jacket on properly.

If the draw string was used as designed, the plastic lock at the end of the draw string should have been tight against his body with nothing but the bungee hanging down.

Since he did not have the draw string pulled tight, the plastic lock got lodged in the trigger guard and caused the ND. If the uniform would have been worn correctly this would not have happened.

Don't blame the Glock, Don't blame the jacket, Blame the officer for not wearing the jacket correctly and not ensuring his weapon was holstered properly.

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:59:52 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
What do you expect, it's a Glock

HaHaHa!!!!!!!!

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:00:42 AM EDT

[#37]

I agree with what you're saying Ponyboy, but maybe I've just seen too many people who only fire their pistols twice a year for qualification to be comfortable with the idea of them being issued a pistol that is that fault-intolerant.

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:04:45 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
What do you expect, it's a Glock

lol +1 was thinking the same thing

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:18:05 AM EDT

[#39]

This would not have happened if the Glock had an external safety. [

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:33:39 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Another LEO did something similar. Took a dump and pulled his pants up. Something caught the Glock on the way up and BAM! But it went through the stall door and almost nailed another LEO in the bathroom. At least he didnt have any problems with constipation.

How the hell could that happen?

Was he wearing a holster that exposed the trigger? Or was he "playing" with the gun whiole on the can, reholstered it & failed to see it was caught on something? And in order for it to contract the trigger it would have to have been caught on something that moved away from the holstered weapon.

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:40:08 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
This would not have happened if the Glock had an external safety. [

Or a brain...

...& made sure to wear his jackewt properly & reholster the weapon without anything in the trigger guard.

I'm getting pretty sick of hearing people bash the glock because it doesn't have an external safety as they deem it.

If you can't take the responsibility of making absolutely sure the condition of your weapon & what may or may not be in the trigger guard, then perhaps you have to have the external safety just in case you need a "do over" to compensate for your sloppy weapon handling skills.

I hate quoting movies but this is just choice:
Steele: I'm talking about your weapon, soldier. Now Delta or no-Delta, that's still a hot weapon. Your safety should be on at all times.
"Hoot": This is my safety, sir.
[He holds up his index finger and bends motions as if squeezing a trigger and then walks off]

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:42:17 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Drawstring jackets should be banned for the children.

Actually they are a known hazard for kids who ride school buses. There have been several accidents where kids have been killed or injured when there drawstrings got hung-up when exiting the bus.

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:47:36 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
I agree with what you're saying Ponyboy, but maybe I've just seen too many people who only fire their pistols twice a year for qualification to be comfortable with the idea of them being issued a pistol that is that fault-intolerant.

That right there is part of the problem. It should be the responsibility of the person carrying the weapon to insure that they are proficient enough to carry it. If they won't do it themself then they should be forced to by their employer. No one should blame the firearm for functioning correctly if the person using it doesn't become familiar enough with it to use it without injuring themself or others.

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:52:30 AM EDT

[#44]

No Such thing as an AD.

This is very clearly a case of ND.

His gun went off because it was a gLock. Nothing else.

Have we not learned a thing about Kabooms?

Posted: 2/6/2006 10:55:10 AM EDT

[#45]

if it was an XD this would not have happend

Posted: 2/6/2006 11:01:06 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
My agency got an alert about this. Truly an accidental discharge. But this is what can happen when a pistol has a five-pound, short draw trigger and no external safety.

Here we go, its the guns fault again............

Goddamn Glock just reached out and nabbed that drawstring and injured an innocent civilian in the process

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