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Posted: 5/15/2013 5:48:03 PM EDT
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That's Kent Wein ( Wein air Alaska family). He is great people. I flew with him when he first upgraded to Captain. The only time in my career, that I flew with a Captain younger than I was. His brother is a 737 Captain, and his dad is Very involved with the classic/warbird community.
He told me, he and his brother got to ferry FiFi once with their dad. The highlight of the trip? When ATC asked what kind of Boeing they were in, and he got to answer "we're a SUPERFORTRESS, sir". He forgot to mention you can use the compass mirror on the glare shield , to check out anyone who is standing in the isle behind the cockpit, if the door is open. |
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Posted: 5/15/2013 5:57:57 PM EDT
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Nice. I would love to compare that to the dc9-10.
Eta, thanks nimslow. |
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Posted: 5/15/2013 7:07:33 PM EDT
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Kind of reminds me of Christoph Waltz for some reason, or Kevin Spacy.
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Posted: 5/15/2013 8:19:50 PM EDT
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The S-80 grows on you. When I first got on it, I hated it. But 8000 hours later, I liked it.
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Posted: 5/15/2013 8:30:44 PM EDT
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That was cool.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 4:18:21 AM EDT
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Breakers!
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Posted: 5/16/2013 12:44:32 PM EDT
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Nice. I would love to compare that to the dc9-10. Eta, thanks nimslow. I flew the DC9 at NWA as a Captain for eight years, never flew it as an F/O. Great airplane, the -10 would out climb the F100 and the -50 was as close to the Mad Dog as you could get. Reliable, rugged and radar vectors required. The bad thing, two VOR's and an ADF for navigation (think coffee grinder, in a jet). There were times you didn't know what state you were over...worst day ever was flying over eight hours and nine legs in one day, in a jet, in the same snow storm and never getting out of the state of Michigan. And they can handle 38kts of crosswind. 
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Posted: 5/16/2013 1:03:00 PM EDT
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What is the Mad Dog?
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Posted: 5/16/2013 1:37:06 PM EDT
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My dad watched this and laughed. He flew the slug back in the 80s. He did point out that when he flew it the cockpit was 100% steam gauges.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 6:01:53 PM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway?
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Posted: 5/16/2013 6:15:40 PM EDT
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What is the Mad Dog? MD-80 series...MD = Mad Dog |
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Posted: 5/16/2013 6:32:30 PM EDT
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I've flown as a passenger in one, on two legs of a trip.
It was by far the smoothest flight I've ever been on. Awesome ride. |
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Posted: 5/16/2013 6:56:03 PM EDT
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Been a passenger on the md80's quite a bit. One of my favorite planes, nice old school feel and reminds me of all the flights as a kid
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Posted: 5/18/2013 6:37:45 PM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway? The compass is one of those things that always makes me wonder "what were they thinking"?. My best guess, is that's the best place they could find, to put it, that keeps it away from all the electrical interference, mostly from the heated windscreens. With all due respect to my friend Kent, he is not totally correct. There are two mirrors used to view the compass. The Whiskey compass on the DC-9-80 series, is mounted near the ceiling, behind, and to the right, of the first officers head. Facing aft. The compass is in the front of the cutout square in this picture. 
Hard to get a good picture, but it's up in there. 
Aft of the compass, facing forward, is a fixed mirror, that reflects the image of the compass forward. That's why the image is reversed, if you look back at the mirror. 
Mounted on the top of the glare shield, are two, small, movable mirrors, that we can aim at the fixed mirror, behind the compass. These allow us to have a normal view of the compass rose. 
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Posted: 5/19/2013 9:13:34 AM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway? The compass is one of those things that always makes me wonder "what were they thinking"?. My best guess, is that's the best place they could find, to put it, that keeps it away from all the electrical interference, mostly from the heated windscreens. With all due respect to my friend Kent, he is not totally correct. There are two mirrors used to view the compass. The Whiskey compass on the DC-9-80 series, is mounted near the ceiling, behind, and to the right, of the first officers head. Facing aft. The compass is in the front of the cutout square in this picture. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg</a> Hard to get a good picture, but it's up in there. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg</a> Aft of the compass, facing forward, is a fixed mirror, that reflects the image of the compass forward. That's why the image is reversed, if you look back at the mirror. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg</a> Mounted on the top of the glare shield, are two, small, movable mirrors, that we can aim at the fixed mirror, behind the compass. These allow us to have a normal view of the compass rose. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg</a> Again..What were they thinking? Missing the fuzz dice!
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Posted: 5/19/2013 9:53:56 AM EDT
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Thats pretty cool Dr Nimslow... My family has flown both the MD and most models of the 9, but hadn't mentioned the whiskey compass.
You could put something like that in that little fighter of yours if you get bored. 
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Posted: 5/19/2013 2:40:40 PM EDT
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I've flown as a passenger in one, on two legs of a trip. It was by far the smoothest flight I've ever been on. Awesome ride. Smooth ride is pretty much a function of weather conditions. 
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Posted: 5/19/2013 5:27:19 PM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway? The compass is one of those things that always makes me wonder "what were they thinking"?. My best guess, is that's the best place they could find, to put it, that keeps it away from all the electrical interference, mostly from the heated windscreens. The whiskey compass is my aircraft will spin about 45 degrees off when I flip on the landing light or spotlight. Makes sense to remote mount it......or at least the sensor on the newer ones. |
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Posted: 5/20/2013 11:02:12 AM EDT
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I've flown as a passenger in one, on two legs of a trip. It was by far the smoothest flight I've ever been on. Awesome ride. Smooth ride is pretty much a function of weather conditions. And wing loading. |
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Posted: 5/20/2013 3:23:37 PM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway? The compass is one of those things that always makes me wonder "what were they thinking"?. My best guess, is that's the best place they could find, to put it, that keeps it away from all the electrical interference, mostly from the heated windscreens. With all due respect to my friend Kent, he is not totally correct. There are two mirrors used to view the compass. The Whiskey compass on the DC-9-80 series, is mounted near the ceiling, behind, and to the right, of the first officers head. Facing aft. The compass is in the front of the cutout square in this picture. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg</a> Hard to get a good picture, but it's up in there. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg</a> Aft of the compass, facing forward, is a fixed mirror, that reflects the image of the compass forward. That's why the image is reversed, if you look back at the mirror. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg</a> Mounted on the top of the glare shield, are two, small, movable mirrors, that we can aim at the fixed mirror, behind the compass. These allow us to have a normal view of the compass rose. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg</a> Again..What were they thinking? Almost looks like TUL but not quite. AA for sure. Edit; maybe not. I thought we had replaced all the silver covered insulation. |
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Posted: 5/21/2013 2:12:07 PM EDT
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I forgot to add: do not pull the wrong handle in the back of the airplane for the air stairs.
It is the only aircraft that I know that has ice on the wings after refueling during the summer. |
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Posted: 5/21/2013 2:39:09 PM EDT
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I forgot to add: do not pull the wrong handle in the back of the airplane for the air stairs. It is the only aircraft that I know that has ice on the wings after refueling during the summer. What happens if you pull the wrong handle?
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Posted: 5/21/2013 3:34:26 PM EDT
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I forgot to add: do not pull the wrong handle in the back of the airplane for the air stairs. It is the only aircraft that I know that has ice on the wings after refueling during the summer. What happens if you pull the wrong handle? Eject the tail cone. Edit; oh yeah and escape slide for the cabin out the tail!! |
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Posted: 5/21/2013 3:35:49 PM EDT
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That's Kent Wein ( Wein air Alaska family). He is great people. I flew with him when he first upgraded to Captain. The only time in my career, that I flew with a Captain younger than I was. His brother is a 737 Captain, and his dad is Very involved with the classic/warbird community. He told me, he and his brother got to ferry FiFi once with their dad. The highlight of the trip? When ATC asked what kind of Boeing they were in, and he got to answer "we're a SUPERFORTRESS, sir". He forgot to mention you can use the compass mirror on the glare shield , to check out anyone who is standing in the isle behind the cockpit, if the door is open. Kent Wein also did the U2-Vertigo "Three day trip from a pilot's point of view" several years ago: Pretty accurate, too.. :) 
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Posted: 5/21/2013 3:39:22 PM EDT
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Oh and to the original video.. that is an incredible throttle quadrant. A lot of shit going on there! |
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Posted: 5/21/2013 4:39:11 PM EDT
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That's Kent Wein ( Wein air Alaska family). He is great people. I flew with him when he first upgraded to Captain. The only time in my career, that I flew with a Captain younger than I was. His brother is a 737 Captain, and his dad is Very involved with the classic/warbird community. He told me, he and his brother got to ferry FiFi once with their dad. The highlight of the trip? When ATC asked what kind of Boeing they were in, and he got to answer "we're a SUPERFORTRESS, sir". He forgot to mention you can use the compass mirror on the glare shield , to check out anyone who is standing in the isle behind the cockpit, if the door is open. Kent Wein also did the U2-Vertigo "Three day trip from a pilot's point of view" several years ago: Pretty accurate, too.. :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEllK8L5YM
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Posted: 5/21/2013 6:29:19 PM EDT
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Oh and to the original video.. that is an incredible throttle quadrant. A lot of shit going on there! Here is the inside..Maintenance had it torn apart, to chase down a flap position switch problem.... 
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Posted: 5/21/2013 6:47:21 PM EDT
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Oh and to the original video.. that is an incredible throttle quadrant. A lot of shit going on there! Here is the inside..Maintenance had it torn apart, to chase down a flap position switch problem.... <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101452_zpsf2887f2b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101452_zpsf2887f2b.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101446_zpscdbff2be.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101446_zpscdbff2be.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101440_zps5d3f7284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101440_zps5d3f7284.jpg</a> Rube Goldberg would be proud!
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Posted: 5/23/2013 7:43:34 PM EDT
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He didn't mention its stabilator. Can a Mad Dog driver explain to me again why it is that when I'm taxiing behind one its stab is always split and flapping in the wind?
I wanna say its something like aerodynamic forces hold it in position and the yoke is just controlling the elevator which... hell, I can't remember. What is it again? |
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Posted: 5/23/2013 8:13:31 PM EDT
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He didn't mention its stabilator. Can a Mad Dog driver explain to me again why it is that when I'm taxiing behind one its stab is always split and flapping in the wind? I wanna say its something like aerodynamic forces hold it in position and the yoke is just controlling the elevator which... hell, I can't remember. What is it again? They are free, as in control tabs and not not connected to anything. The whole DC 9 series uses servo tabs to move the flight controls. No hydraulics...it's called direct cable (DC) for a reason. |
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Posted: 5/23/2013 9:33:05 PM EDT
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He didn't mention its stabilator. Can a Mad Dog driver explain to me again why it is that when I'm taxiing behind one its stab is always split and flapping in the wind? I wanna say its something like aerodynamic forces hold it in position and the yoke is just controlling the elevator which... hell, I can't remember. What is it again? They are free, as in control tabs and not not connected to anything. The whole DC 9 series uses servo tabs to move the flight controls. No hydraulics...it's called direct cable (DC) for a reason. Oh yeah. Can you think of any other aircraft that have this type of setup? The DC-9 through MD series are the only aircraft I've noticed it on. |
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Posted: 5/24/2013 4:18:21 AM EDT
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He didn't mention its stabilator. Can a Mad Dog driver explain to me again why it is that when I'm taxiing behind one its stab is always split and flapping in the wind? I wanna say its something like aerodynamic forces hold it in position and the yoke is just controlling the elevator which... hell, I can't remember. What is it again? They are free, as in control tabs and not not connected to anything. The whole DC 9 series uses servo tabs to move the flight controls. No hydraulics...it's called direct cable (DC) for a reason. Oh yeah. Can you think of any other aircraft that have this type of setup? The DC-9 through MD series are the only aircraft I've noticed it on. 707 / KC-135. |
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Posted: 5/24/2013 5:40:18 AM EDT
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Loved that video. Thanks for sharing it.
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Posted: 5/24/2013 5:59:50 AM EDT
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What's up with the magnetic compass anyway? The compass is one of those things that always makes me wonder "what were they thinking"?. My best guess, is that's the best place they could find, to put it, that keeps it away from all the electrical interference, mostly from the heated windscreens. With all due respect to my friend Kent, he is not totally correct. There are two mirrors used to view the compass. The Whiskey compass on the DC-9-80 series, is mounted near the ceiling, behind, and to the right, of the first officers head. Facing aft. The compass is in the front of the cutout square in this picture. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp2_zpsbe3873e6.jpg</a> Hard to get a good picture, but it's up in there. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp1_zps26787b1a.jpg</a> Aft of the compass, facing forward, is a fixed mirror, that reflects the image of the compass forward. That's why the image is reversed, if you look back at the mirror. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp6_zps1d7318ba.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp5_zps3cc8c227.jpg</a> Mounted on the top of the glare shield, are two, small, movable mirrors, that we can aim at the fixed mirror, behind the compass. These allow us to have a normal view of the compass rose. <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp3_zpsf064a831.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/cmp4_zpsdbfff141.jpg</a> Again..What were they thinking? I'll take an educated guess as to why it's where it is. Maybe because that's the best place in the cockpit to put it and still have it give a true heading without any magnetic interference from something close enough to it if it was mounted in a reasonable place. But I don't know for sure. |
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Posted: 5/25/2013 3:47:14 AM EDT
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Here is the inside..Maintenance had it torn apart, to chase down a flap position switch problem.... Man, I've gotten spoiled working on fly-by-(electrical-)wire aircraft... |
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Posted: 5/25/2013 9:05:36 PM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 10:49:42 AM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well. Probably not. Most flight crews that I have encounter like to stay away from something greasy.
Then there a few flight crew want to see how shit works.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 11:46:23 AM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well. What does this do? |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 11:51:00 AM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well. What does this do? Hangs down. It's probably a reference to whether the plane is level or not. There is something similar, but less crude, in some Boeings: 
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Posted: 5/26/2013 7:16:24 PM EDT
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The plumb-bob is used for inop guage refueling. You use the plumb bob (or bubble level on some aircraft) to see what the pitch and roll is. Then you pull the sticks and get readings. Then using this information you go to the handy-dandy reference books to see how much fuel is on board. Of course, transferring fuel is much preferred method, but not always possible.
Speaking of, how about drip-sticks vs. magna-sticks! Whoo hoo! Jet A squirter... Been a while since I did any of that... hope i remembered correctly. Gus |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 6:25:33 AM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well. I'd say most of us knew that. It wasn't that uncommon to have an inop fuel gauge. We knew the plane had to be level to accurately check the fuel level using "the stick". And leveling the plane could be a very time consuming PITA for maintenance. That's why metering the fuel was the preferred method. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:40:04 PM EDT
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I wonder if that pilot knows there is a plumb bob on a string, in the nose wheel well. I'd say most of us knew that. It wasn't that uncommon to have an inop fuel gauge. We knew the plane had to be level to accurately check the fuel level using "the stick". And leveling the plane could be a very time consuming PITA for maintenance. That's why metering the fuel was the preferred method. It doesn't have to be level, we just need the actual attitude of the aircraft for the fuel level reference. The fuel chart book is easily an inch and a half thick. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:41:44 PM EDT
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Oh and to the original video.. that is an incredible throttle quadrant. A lot of shit going on there! Here is the inside..Maintenance had it torn apart, to chase down a flap position switch problem.... <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101452_zpsf2887f2b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101452_zpsf2887f2b.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101446_zpscdbff2be.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101446_zpscdbff2be.jpg</a> <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/nimslow/media/IMG_20130202_101440_zps5d3f7284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/IMG_20130202_101440_zps5d3f7284.jpg</a> The throttle clutch pack in there is an easy three day job working 24/day to replace, as long a nothing else is found down there. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:43:14 PM EDT
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He didn't mention its stabilator. Can a Mad Dog driver explain to me again why it is that when I'm taxiing behind one its stab is always split and flapping in the wind? I wanna say its something like aerodynamic forces hold it in position and the yoke is just controlling the elevator which... hell, I can't remember. What is it again? They are free, as in control tabs and not not connected to anything. The whole DC 9 series uses servo tabs to move the flight controls. No hydraulics...it's called direct cable (DC) for a reason. Only to the MD-88. MD-90 and B-717 moved to hydraulically powered elevators. |
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Posted: 6/4/2013 4:22:54 PM EDT
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Only to the MD-88. MD-90 and B-717 moved to hydraulically powered elevators. They're powered full-time? I thought they only got hydraulic assist when going to full nose-down (along with the pylon flaps on the -90) for stall recovery... |
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Posted: 6/4/2013 4:53:26 PM EDT
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Only to the MD-88. MD-90 and B-717 moved to hydraulically powered elevators. They're powered full-time? I thought they only got hydraulic assist when going to full nose-down (along with the pylon flaps on the -90) for stall recovery... Yep one of the changes. You still can fly with just the tabs, but there's PCA's on each elevator. If you look about 4 feet outboard of the vertical, you'll see a bulge on the horizontal stab and elevator. That's where the PCA lives. |
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Posted: 6/4/2013 5:06:57 PM EDT
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How come on some aircraft, you see the elevators either drooping or more often deflected full up (nose-down) when at the gate?
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Posted: 6/4/2013 5:08:52 PM EDT
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The plumb-bob is used for inop guage refueling. You use the plumb bob (or bubble level on some aircraft) to see what the pitch and roll is. Then you pull the sticks and get readings. Then using this information you go to the handy-dandy reference books to see how much fuel is on board. Of course, transferring fuel is much preferred method, but not always possible. Speaking of, how about drip-sticks vs. magna-sticks! Whoo hoo! Jet A squirter... Been a while since I did any of that... hope i remembered correctly. Gus I forgot that was even there.... guess I've flown too many airplanes with working fuel gauges. The chart is all coming back to me now. |
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Posted: 6/4/2013 5:11:02 PM EDT
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How come on some aircraft, you see the elevators either drooping or more often deflected full up (nose-down) when at the gate? Heavy control surfaces and no hydraulic pressure leads to drooping.... Wind could deflect them up. Sometimes they'll split and each side go their own ways... |
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Posted: 6/4/2013 5:12:28 PM EDT
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How come on some aircraft, you see the elevators either drooping or more often deflected full up (nose-down) when at the gate? Heavy control surfaces and no hydraulic pressure leads to drooping.... Wind could deflect them up. Sometimes they'll split and each side go their own ways... So I guess those aircraft are 100% reliant on hydraulics? |
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